Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-20 Thread Alan Millar
On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 06:07 +, talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Heh, I didn't even know we had Oregon data available. We didn't at the time. I checked. Metro had (still has) restrictive licensing, and the state did not have any clearing house at the time. - Alan

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
I hate to step into this flamefest, but: Having traveled around the US, I've been really glad the tiger data is there. Often it seems like there have not been a lot of edits, and it's way better than nothing. I heard about OSM long ago, and I think noticed the map was blank in mass,

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-19 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 13:29 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Used state data instead, if I were to do a mass import. Oregon GEO knows what they're doing, the US Census (along with the rest of the federal government) barely acknowledges we exist. Which would you rather trust? 1) Known good data

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-19 Thread Paul Johnson
Christopher Covington wrote: On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 10:59 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: 2) The TIGER import violates one of the most basic principals of OSM: Abbreviations: DO NOT DO IT. I really don't understand this. If the United States Postal Service and the Census

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-17 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 16:24 -0500, Matthias Julius wrote: IMHO it is unfortunate this was not done during the TIGER import. It would have been easy enough. Sure. But, there were 50 other things that were easy enough to do. Joining county borders, eliminating motorway overpass intersections,

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-16 Thread Christopher Covington
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 10:59 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: 2) The TIGER import violates one of the most basic principals of OSM: Abbreviations: DO NOT DO IT. I really don't understand this. If the United States Postal Service and the Census Bureau have been abbreviating names

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-16 Thread Matthias Julius
David Lynch djly...@gmail.com writes: Agreed. I can understand not wanting to abbreviate words that don't have a standard abbreviation, but the USPS is the de-facto arbiter of how addresses (and therefore street names) are written in the United States, and they have a well-defined list of

[Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
Dave Hansen wrote: If we can come up with a scheme for getting the addressing imported in a sane fashion and the consensus is that people want it done that way, it'll get imported. There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Randy
Paul Johnson wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: If we can come up with a scheme for getting the addressing imported in a sane fashion and the consensus is that people want it done that way, it'll get imported. There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 10:59 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: If we can come up with a scheme for getting the addressing imported in a sane fashion and the consensus is that people want it done that way, it'll get imported. There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 14:25 -0800, Sam Vekemans wrote: 1 - A few people (we can call the data conversion team) are in charge of taking the data in it's source form (in this case SHP) We use the tools availble (shp-to-osm.jar and/or shp2osm.py) and are the ones who create a set of 'rules'

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 14:33 -0800, Dave Hansen wrote: Yeah, and that does sound like a really nice way to do it, especially when there is existing data. Anybody want to be on the USA conversion team? :) -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list