[Talk-us] directions of ways in MassGIS data

2009-02-01 Thread Greg Troxel
In Massachusetts osm has state GIS data, and a number of the 1-way ways are the wrong direction. This is particularly obvious for divided highways, e.g. Rt 2 inside 128, 495 near Rt 2. Clearly I could go edit these manually. But I wonder if there is automated way to fix this, perhaps by going

Re: [Talk-us] directions of ways in MassGIS data

2009-02-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Christopher Schmidt crschm...@metacarta.com writes: MassGIS does not encode the direction. Oneways which are potentially wrong are marked with a FIXME note to fix the incorrect directionality. (I believe it is 'FIXME: Unconfirmed oneway'.) MassGIS pays NavTeq for routing data, and does not

Re: [Talk-us] directions of ways in MassGIS data

2009-02-02 Thread Greg Troxel
(replying to Zeke and Chris both) I agree that if there is only 1 mile of motorway class road among trunk-class road that tagging it motorway isn't useful. The parts of Route 2 that I was thinking of tagging as motorway are physically indistinguishable from an interstate, and at least 10 miles

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard Weait rich...@weait.com writes: On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 16:55 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Apollinaris Schoell wrote: It contains all you need to pick the correct sign. But you need the whole knowledge about signs for all states, county ... as an example California uses different

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-24 Thread Greg Troxel
and then what is this info good for? just because someone claims it's correct? is it correct then? more correct than data with the tag set to no? can you give a single example where this info is helping? the tiger data is terrible wrong in some places. it's more important to fix

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-25 Thread Greg Troxel
Does anybody object to this? If not, I'll look at inserting special case code which removes tiger:reviewed when the way or any node it solely includes is edited in any way. I'm also not in favor of automatic tag removing, for the same reason - any change does not imply adequately

Re: [Talk-us] What, exactly, does the absence of tiger:reviewed=no mean?

2009-04-26 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard Weait rich...@weait.com writes: So currently, I think removing the reviewed:no means, I've improved this rather than, I've perfected this. To encourage or support more demanding requirements should surely be backed with a tool that reminds and suggests how to fix TIGER. I would

Re: [Talk-us] National/State Park tagging

2009-05-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com writes: many parks are tagged with leisure park Is this really the recommended setting? according to the wiki park is something more like golden gate park in SF or central park in NY natural_reserve matches better the main purpose of national parks.

[Talk-us] no streets in gloucester, ma??

2009-07-11 Thread Greg Troxel
I noticed there seem to be very few streets in gloucester, but rockport seems ok. Any clues what's up? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.6679lon=-70.6467zoom=14layers=B000FTF pgpz5kSi5ISEd.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list

[Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-07-20 Thread Greg Troxel
What are the tags for abandoned RR right of way that is NOT a biketrail, but still visible? I found http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/detailed_Railway_Network Someone said railway=abandoned, but there are three separate things -- my opinion is partly from USGS topo maps:

Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-08-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: ` On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:19 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote: The Upper Charles Trail was included in the MASSgis import. It has a note=under construction. As imported and proposed, it slavishly followed a passenger and freight line straight to the center of

Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-08-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net writes: On 08/11/2009 06:10 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: But, is abandoned really in use in other countries to mean what in the US we call old railroad grade? (Here I am taking USGS norms to be established practice in the US.) Probably not; however

[Talk-us] talk-us-ma: Duplicate nodes in mass

2009-08-19 Thread Greg Troxel
I have been trying to make routable garmin maps with mkgmap, and more or less succeeding. In Mass I have maps that look good but computing routes over any significant distance totally fails, as in you get a route apparently from a basemap. I was recently driving to a place within Stow from

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 07:30 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: It depends on what the road is like. If it's a decent dirt road that normal cars routinely drive on, has a street name, is considered a public or private way by the town, then it's highway

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-06 Thread Greg Troxel
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Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 07:30 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: It depends on what the road is like. If it's a decent dirt road that normal cars routinely drive on, has a street name, is considered a public or private way by the town, then it's highway

Re: [Talk-us] Another shot at a whole-US Garmin map

2009-09-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Tiger data is not to bad. ways are connected correct for the most part. in fact motorways are connected to under/over crossing ways which is incorrect. But routing will be possible. A major problem is the direction of motorways/motorway_links. they are random. by default mkgmap sets

Re: [Talk-us] Mailboxes, etc.

2009-10-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com writes: I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree here. Different countries *do*blur the line between shops and post offices. For example, I've visited Canada quite a few times, and quite a few drugstores sell stamps and accept mail for delivery under the

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-19 Thread Greg Troxel
Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net writes: On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 18:50 -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net writes: roads are disconnected at state boundaries due to being cut with a non-splitter tool. (splitter has special logic to insert nodes on ways at tile boundaries

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
I hate to step into this flamefest, but: Having traveled around the US, I've been really glad the tiger data is there. Often it seems like there have not been a lot of edits, and it's way better than nothing. I heard about OSM long ago, and I think noticed the map was blank in mass,

Re: [Talk-us] shared driveways

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Anthony wikim...@inbox.org writes: On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Anthony o...@inbox.org writes: But I've come across situations where the unnamed road is not a roundabout, though. In one of these cases I used highway=unclassified, because it was just

Re: [Talk-us] shared driveways

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Please don't take the following as me arguing with you. I'm just trying to understand. No problem - it's a useful discussion and a hard question. I think the bottom line is that one has to understand the actual legal/use distinctions made by the experts, and then figure out how much of

Re: [Talk-us] shared driveways

2009-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Anthony o...@inbox.org writes: Regarding the apartment complex, the parcel data is not out of date. That's just the way apartment complexes are parceled here. There's only one owner. Condominium associations would have a separate parcel for shared areas, because there's more than one

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] shared driveways

2009-11-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net writes: With regard to apartment complexes, condo complexes, mobile home complexes, and gated single-family-home complexes, I usually tag: - The ways that cross the boundary line from public street into the complex are highway=service*** +

Re: [Talk-us] Import of EPA data

2009-12-14 Thread Greg Troxel
I am generally in favor of imports. But EPA superfund site data seems to be getting close to there should be mashup with this data and osm as the baselayer as opposed to importing it. I'm on the light pollution committee in my town, and eventually I'd like to have a database of issues. I don't

Re: [Talk-us] Use of highway=tertiary

2010-01-04 Thread Greg Troxel
Stellan Lagerstrom lagerst...@blindsight.com writes: We have a user (mk408) who seems intent on turning 3/4 of all residential streets in the bay area into tertiary. This seems excessive to me. Most of these are just residential streets, not thoroughfares, etc. Views? Here's one changeset:

Re: [Talk-us] Use of highway=tertiary

2010-01-05 Thread Greg Troxel
Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net writes: Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com writes: Stellan Lagerstrom lagerst...@blindsight.com writes: We have a user (mk408) who seems intent on turning 3/4 of all residential streets in the bay area into tertiary. This seems excessive to me. Most

Re: [Talk-us] Cadastral/PLSS info?

2010-01-26 Thread Greg Troxel
This is perhaps appropriate, but I'm not sure if these points are all monumented. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dsurvey_point pgpT1UzQbMvTZ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Incorrect Summit Elevations - Colorado

2010-02-10 Thread Greg Troxel
I somewhat glibly asked what should the height spec be and I think the answer should be orthometric heights based on WGS84 and the current associated geoid model. When converting to feet there is the wrinkle of US survey feet vs the international foot. This matters in state plane systems, but

Re: [Talk-us] hyrdography imports

2010-02-10 Thread Greg Troxel
Mike N. nice...@att.net writes: b.) All current scripts I know of require significant rework, short of importing the NHD into a local GEO database, then exporting it to remove duplicate nodes. I have been thinking about imports (but not getting around to it, partly because it's more time

[Talk-us] MA: polyshp2osm.py diffs for other datasets

2010-03-28 Thread Greg Troxel
I have the following working diff to polyshp2osm.py to enable handling types of data other than MassGIS openspace. There is a new --type argument, and that controls the fixed tags that are added. I'm trying to deal with Assessor's parcel boundary data and town boundary data. I realize neither

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Fast food vs. restaurant vs. cafe

2010-05-03 Thread Greg Troxel
Katie Filbert filbe...@gmail.com writes: * Baskin Robbins (fast food?) This is the missing ice cream shop I think. But if they serve other food, it's made to order, and they have table service - restaurant. * Fuddruckers (restaurant or fast food?) tough call * Panera Bread (restaurant or

Re: [Talk-us] USGS National Map aerial imagery

2010-06-05 Thread Greg Troxel
Lars Ahlzen l...@ahlzen.com writes: On 06/05/2010 07:07 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: Do you have JOSM WMS urls to put in a josm config file for these? Well, not really... The example was from a dl:ed GeoTIFF. There's a link to the WMS capabilities description on this page: http

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS source/attribution tags

2010-06-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Lars Ahlzen l...@ahlzen.com writes: Linear features imported from MassGIS data have the appropriate source= and attribution= tags. That makes sense. However, each individual node has these identical tags as well, including nodes that have no other tags. For such nodes with no other tags,

Re: [Talk-us] Changing Data Attribution

2010-06-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Josh Kraayenbrink jakr...@gmail.com writes: I have been thinking, possibly incorrectly, about attribution on data. The Tiger import was great, but as you all know, not perfectly accurate. I have been reviewing and almost all roads, ways, etc that have been imported in my area are now

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Aeroway=Aerodrome Modifier Tags?

2010-06-16 Thread Greg Troxel
Zeke Farwell ezeki...@gmail.com writes: Classifying by runway length does make some sense to me, but I really have no idea how Mapnik or any other renderer works. Not sure if this would in fact be easy or not. It also means a renderer needs the runway tagged as a way or polygon in order

Re: [Talk-us] Percentage of data imported vs mapped

2010-06-26 Thread Greg Troxel
Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com writes: not having to reverse engineer the map since the TIGER was available (and other sources are coming available some faster some slower Eg, MASS was loaded from state data not Tiger) results in much more 'studio' work (fixing TIGER overpasses to pass

Re: [Talk-us] Percentage of data imported vs mapped

2010-06-26 Thread Greg Troxel
Val Kartchner val...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 06:51 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: This is true for roads, but TIGER/massgis did not have hiking trails. Around Boston there are starting to be a lot of trails mapped - I keep noticing improvements by others. Plus there's parking

Re: [Talk-us] US BLM Designated Wilderness

2010-07-04 Thread Greg Troxel
Erik G. Burrows e...@erikburrows.com writes: Your work on region 3 helped me a lot. Before I read your web post, I didn't know that gpsbabel had an OSM output function. That, and ogr2ogr are the only way I know to translate from the BLM shapefiles and CSV files into OSM format. See the

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com writes: Moving away from discussions of specific imports, I'd like to explore what people think about a few areas of this discussion: 1) When someone says I want to import X, what should our first response be? I think your reaction to point out the danger

Re: [Talk-us] tagging a national forest boundary

2010-09-30 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I'm importing the USFS data for the Ocala National Forest boundary. There's the actual forest

Re: [Talk-us] Request for community mediation

2010-10-16 Thread Greg Troxel
I'm somewhat hesitant to wade into this, but: There is debate with the transportation/cycling community about whether bike lanes are a good thing or a bad thing. Around me there are some cycle lanes which are entirely within the door kill zone. I would never ride in them, and their

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] how to tag US townships?

2010-10-21 Thread Greg Troxel
This discussion, although amazingly lengthy is seeming useful. Someone already explained that much of New England is different from most of the United States in terms of not having unicorporated areas, and it might help to explain details. In Massachusetts, we have counties. Counties don't do

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] how to tag US townships?

2010-10-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 10/20/2010 03:14 PM, Anthony wrote: Only in those 11 states, right? I'm surprised admin level isn't already handled defined on a state by state level. Why treat it

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] how to tag US townships?

2010-10-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: Read the link you provided: In the remaining nine town or township states (Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Wisconsin), there is no geographic overlapping of these two

Re: [Talk-us] stop signs

2010-10-26 Thread Greg Troxel
Therefor I propose stop signs go on the intersection and save a lot of hassle with the tag highway=stop I think your proposal can work, but you need to show how e.g. to mark 2 out of 5 roads at an intersection. Also, roads are directional even if 2way so we could allow stop on

Re: [Talk-us] Minimum standards for motorways?

2011-01-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Question: what do people think about minimum standards for tagging something highway=motorway? In other words, would it be reasonable to tag a highway as trunk rather than motorway because it has no shoulders or a low speed limit (40 mph)? In the US, we seem to have what I'd call

Re: [Talk-us] boundary = national_park in the US

2011-01-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Why not boundary=park park=* boundary=forest forest=* (parks/refuge/conservartions and forests seem quite different) pgp3rvUXyaEdm.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: In the US there are two long federally-maintained roads, the Blue Ridge Parkway and Natchez Trace Parkway, that were built for the sole purpose of sightseeing. Since they are surrounded by a narrow strip of parkland, access is only allowed at

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: In the US there are two long federally-maintained roads, the Blue Ridge Parkway and Natchez Trace Parkway, that were built for the sole purpose of sightseeing. Since they are surrounded by a narrow strip of parkland, access is only allowed at

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Long-distance scenic roads

2011-02-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: On 2/24/2011 8:18 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: On the other hand, some apparently non-local user has messed up tagging of Route 2 near Boston/Cambridge (from alewife to the science museum) and made them trunk when they obviously aren't (to anyone who has

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-27 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net writes: On 5/27/11 9:26 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/27/2011 12:32 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: Would I be correct in stating that tagging an undivided 2 lane (one lane in each direction) highways would be improper, even if a state calls the highway a

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Kristian Zoerhoff kristian.zoerh...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 12:09:30 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm thinking the differences between

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS import: condition tag

2011-07-15 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: The MassGIS import included a condition tag: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/9602415 Presumably this is something in their data, but what use is it to us? There's no definition of what 'intolerable' means, and no way to know what value to

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS import: condition tag

2011-07-15 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com writes: On 7/15/2011 8:15 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com writes: The MassGIS import included a condition tag: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/9602415 Presumably this is something in their data, but what use

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 09-06-2011

2011-07-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net writes: On Wed, 2011-07-20 at 14:03 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: So I'm curious if you are finding that the tracker is working? The tracker is looking dead at the moment. Anybody have suggestions for another tracker? I suspect that the problem with generally open

Re: [Talk-us] access=destination vs access=private

2011-09-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Do you think it makes more sense to tag the apartment complexes as access=destination or access=private? The complexes are not usually private. I can drive into them without a key card (usually); I shouldn't be using them as a through street, but they are permitted for use if my

Re: [Talk-us] Brainstorm: What should a US map of OSM data look like

2011-09-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com writes: This might be partially a tagging issue but I think it affects rendering too. It would be nice to change the zoom level at which cities/towns are rendered in rural areas. I should not be able to get a map with no place names on it in western Kansas

Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)

2011-09-16 Thread Greg Troxel
Anthony o...@inbox.org writes: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: The US doesn't seem to have the strict legal categories for rights-of-way that the UK does I'm not sure what you mean by that, as I'm not familiar with UK law. But the US definitely has a

Re: [Talk-us] County borders vs. State borders

2011-10-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Alexander Roalter alexan...@roalter.it writes: Shouldn't county borders always coincide with state borders? In the case of the Minnesota/Iowa border, there were often differences up to 150 meters. I then used the state borders as the 'better' solution and extended/capped the county lines.

Re: [Talk-us] County borders vs. State borders

2011-10-18 Thread Greg Troxel
I would recommend contacting the MN state gis department, which might be part of the state highway department. There are probably people there who understand the rules and can point you to them. Someone from MassGIS was very helpful when I had questions about town lines. As an example which

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Mass towns

2011-10-19 Thread Greg Troxel
Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) calvin.metc...@state.ma.us writes: As towns are the primary division in MA that peole tend to use I'd like to add them to osm. From what I can tell a few have been put in near NH as boundary relations (tyngsborough and dunstable) one has been put in as a closed way

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Mass towns

2011-10-19 Thread Greg Troxel
So how about you post the .osm file with the simplified ways, with admin8 boundary tags? And maybe admin6 and admin4 if you'd like? pgpotcIrYjnTZ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] MA towns

2011-10-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard Weait rich...@weait.com writes: Starting with Stow, (is this the right Stow?) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.4237lon=-71.5119zoom=13layers=M you might decide that the existing town border is correct-enough, then merge the Worcester / Middlesex border to the town line where they

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] boundary import Update

2011-10-22 Thread Greg Troxel
I think the nuke/replace notion is sensible. So I would suggest that you put up (github seems fine, doesn't really matter as long as it's broadly accessible) several things: a pointer to the massgis data, and maybe a copy exact recipe for going from that to the .osm to upload (as scripts

Re: [Talk-us] Parks, etc. Points or outlines

2012-04-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com writes: In doing the remap in LA, I've run across parks, some schools and other map features that are marked with both points and outlines. For La Cienega Park, the park is outlined, coded park and named. There also is a point for La Cienega

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Greg Troxel
I think it's important to separate there's a way in the db and there's a line on some render. Personally, I want to see old railway lines on the map. I find there's almost always evidence along the line, but not always at some point. So I think we need tags that are more like the USGS maps,

Re: [Talk-us] Starting OSM Trail Map Initiative In US

2012-07-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Fred Gifford fred.giff...@gmail.com writes: I am starting the process of pulling together a group to focus on updating and expanding trail data in OSM. The initial focus would be in the US but we are hoping the model could expand to other areas as well. You should first assess how things

Re: [Talk-us] Starting OSM Trail Map Initiative In US

2012-07-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Kevin Kenny kken...@nycap.rr.com writes: I agree 100%. I have a good bit of data from New York State on trails that is surely incomplete and imperfect but better than anything we have in OSM. I've not uploaded any of it because I've not convinced myself that it's doing no harm. But most of

Re: [Talk-us] National Park boundaries

2012-07-22 Thread Greg Troxel
a search for 'Golden Spike' yields nada. I was about to draw a boundary=national_park[3] around it with a name tag, so it would be a little easier to find. But it turns out the NPS has a boundary shapefile for all National Parks, Historic Sites, Rivers, Parkways, Lakeshores and more

Re: [Talk-us] NHD import: what data quality is acceptable?

2012-07-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Kevin Kenny kken...@nycap.rr.com writes: A few months ago, I tried to get started on trying to resume the NHD import in my area - and some of the places where I hike. I'm trying to check results with both P2 and JOSM, and tripping over a lot of things, which made me put the project back on

Re: [Talk-us] National Park boundaries

2012-07-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org writes: Hi, On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: Perhaps add a us: prefix to the value? boundary=us:national_historic_site boundary=us:national_historic_park boundary=us:national_forest I like that idea, in spite of the

Re: [Talk-us] administrative boundaries and Nominatim

2012-07-30 Thread Greg Troxel
10, Park Plaza, Central Square, Bay Village, Middlesex, Massachusetts, 02116, United States of America. http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=21777524 The Central Square, Bay Village and Middlesex are what are confusing me as they look to be points and I'm not sure

Re: [Talk-us] administrative boundaries and Nominatim

2012-07-30 Thread Greg Troxel
Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) calvin.metc...@state.ma.us writes: So basically if we see nodes like that, get rid of them? No, I think it's: If there's a node for the place, it's progress to replace it with a polygon. Not Just delete place nodes pgpaHaOu9jRqT.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Talk-us] administrative boundaries and Nominatim

2012-07-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) calvin.metc...@state.ma.us wrote: So I'm somewhat confused about how nominatim actually works. A good example is the building I work in (10 park plaza Boston ma) the version of nominitum on

Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification

2012-08-17 Thread Greg Troxel
Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com writes: * Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com [2012-08-14 23:26 -0500]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.117lon=-94.8924zoom=14layers=M I know there is some disagreement about road classification, especially when it comes to trunk but I'm pretty sure most

Re: [Talk-us] Schizophrenic highway

2012-09-15 Thread Greg Troxel
Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com writes: I'm working on US 50 near Trenton, Ill. Here's the location: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=38.61248lon=-89.68529zoom=16 It looks like, at one point there were plans to turn this into a motorway. In two spots in a 25-mile

Re: [Talk-us] Schizophrenic highway

2012-09-16 Thread Greg Troxel
Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net writes: At 2012-09-15 16:05, Greg Troxel wrote: Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com writes: I'm working on US 50 near Trenton, Ill. Here's the location: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=38.61248lon=-89.68529zoom=16 It looks

Re: [Talk-us] Burlington, Vermont road classification

2012-10-19 Thread Greg Troxel
Primary highways generally lack stop signs; however, stop signs may control major intersections in rural areas with low traffic volumes and occur rarely elsewhere. The most notable example of this is North Willard Street[2]. It is part of US Route 7, but as can be seen with Bing

Re: [Talk-us] US chapter board meeting

2012-10-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org writes: The newly elected US Chapter board will have its first official meeting tonight at 5PM PDT / 8PM EDT. We're going to try a Google Hangout. Everyone is welcome to listen in! https://plus.google.com/events/c91rctgp4ia8cq3ffqo914lvvus (I'm not a member,

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

2012-10-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Given what I've observed and heard about from other mappers, I am not particularly surprised to hear that the DWG has been getting complaints (although I have not filed a complaint myself). I think it's helpful to talk about the general problem, separately from any identities. My impression is

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

2012-11-02 Thread Greg Troxel
First, I think Martijn's points have all been right on. 1) I don't think it is a good idea to come up with a code of conduct as a response to particular cases. When there's an actual dispute on the table that might be addressed by an as yet imaginary code, we are in reactionary mode and

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska CPD boundaries

2012-11-26 Thread Greg Troxel
The census bureau divided the unorganized borough into 11 census areas. These have no legal significance but serve to sub-divided the state into convenient parts. In spite of this they are in many ways like counties. I've tagged them the same as counties (admin_level=6) but I'm not

Re: [Talk-us] US Addressing

2012-11-28 Thread Greg Troxel
MassGIS has parcel data available in a license-ok manner, and I have been thinking about it, but not getting to it. An idea is to have a common schema or schemas for non-imported parcel data in osm format. Then people can write converters for their state/whatever and publish the data, and

Re: [Talk-us] US Addressing

2012-11-28 Thread Greg Troxel
the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.com writes: If it is feasible to have a (mostly) unified parcel schema, a MapRoulette challenge can be created to task the conversion work to the community. I was thinking about just having a node with an address which is the centroid of the parcel, and

Re: [Talk-us] Massachusetts addresses/tiger addresses

2012-12-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com writes: I am not sure if anybody is actually working on importing the tiger address ranges or not. Just in case somebody is ... The Massachusetts mapping department (MassGIS) just this week released data for all of the buildings in the state!

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start

2012-12-13 Thread Greg Troxel
I have few meta comments and then actual comments. Meta: In this case, the discussion has been entirely reasonable. But, in general, I feel there's an unwarranted hostility to imports. I think this comes from fear (often justified) that people who don't care about following community norms

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import - merge

2012-12-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I would like to start a new thread to talk about merging building data. My town Groton has mostly hand drawn buildings from bing. Like was suggested previously, dumping them all and replacing them with the MassGIS buildings would be a

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import - user account

2012-12-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com writes: I would like start a new thread, to talk about the user account situation for the import, but no policy discussion please! Given that this is a distributed/community import, we will simply ask each user to make their own import account and

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import - process

2012-12-15 Thread Greg Troxel
Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org writes: On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: 2. If you cannot be bothered to fix problems then why should others be? What is your plan for growing the community to a point where it can maintain the data you plan to dump onto

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import - process

2012-12-15 Thread Greg Troxel
Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org writes: Paul - I've added a few comments and questions about changeset size and revert policies on the Import Guidelines Plan Outline wiki pages. Are there any recommended changeset size limits and/or revert plan practices? Tools support for reverting is a fair

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Imports in Riley county, KS

2012-12-17 Thread Greg Troxel
Based on reaction to the mass buildings import (perceived as way too fast, and I agree), I would suggest that you have a 2 week review period From the latest time that there is either - a change in the processing script - new data being available - a substantive change in the procedure I

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Greg Troxel
The result is that folks like myself and others are frustrated by the import process, and folks who have good, useful datasets are frstrated by the import process. [import/mechanical-edit committee proposal] I agree with your broad sentiments. Having observed some recent discussion, I

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Large Edit Committee Meeting 12/20

2012-12-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Or if you'd like to join, and Google+ is a problem, please drop me a line. I object to the use of google anything. That requires people to agree to their privacy policies in order to participate in OSM, and I think OSM should have a policy against such requirement or encouragement. (That

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Large Edit Committee Meeting 12/20

2012-12-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com writes: Hi Greg, That's an interesting point. What alternatives would you suggest for virtual meetings? KD I do not know of alternatives. In open source groups I participate in, it's email and IRC. At work, we pay for phone bridges (audio

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com writes: Michal Migurski writes: Also, what's the deal with the Massachusetts TIGER import? Massachusetts had already made an improved version of the TIGER data, so the decision was made to import that instead. I'm not sure it's a version of the TIGER data,

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-28 Thread Greg Troxel
Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Brian May b...@mapwise.com wrote: And as Phil said, sometimes it doesn't make sense to follow the parcel lines exactly, such as if the parcel boundary extends into a road and it makes more sense to draw the boundary

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-28 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Mixter nmix...@gmail.com writes: For instance an open space parcel probably isn't that useful because it is not represented in OSM. It could be broken up into meadow, wood, scrub, forest, etc. Jason and I are using 'open space' to mean land that is protected from development with some

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com writes: I think it would be great to make more tools support more external data sets as opposed to dumping *everything* into OSM. You want county borders on your garmin? Check a box while creating the file and mkgmap downloads the most recent county borders

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Kevin Kenny kken...@nycap.rr.com writes: On 01/09/2013 03:24 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: While filling in townships in the Greater Cincinnati area, I've also been working on TIGER's rather artful interpretation of the area's municipal boundaries, motivated by the Mapnik style's prominent

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