Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-04-06 Thread Russ Nelson
John F. Eldredge writes: Note that there is a long tradition of encyclopedias, maps, and other copyrighted sources deliberately including some bogus facts as a way of detecting plagiarism. These bogus facts don't exist in real life, only in the copyrighted document, so having them show up

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-04-06 Thread John F. Eldredge
Note that there is a long tradition of encyclopedias, maps, and other copyrighted sources deliberately including some bogus facts as a way of detecting plagiarism. These bogus facts don't exist in real life, only in the copyrighted document, so having them show up in a competing document proves

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-04-02 Thread stevea
Russ Nelson writes: There are maps which are canonical sources of facts about the world, such as a BNSF map naming subdivisions. No one can own a fact about the world, because it's a fact. Just like you can't patent math. Same idea. You can copyright a collection of facts. You can copyright the

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-04-02 Thread Russ Nelson
Simon Poole writes: Am 02.04.2015 um 05:20 schrieb Russ Nelson: Maps with insufficient creative content to be copyrightable. They may exist, but are you seriously saying that we (as in individual mappers and the OSM community as a whole) should make that determination? No, that

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-04-02 Thread Simon Poole
Am 02.04.2015 um 05:20 schrieb Russ Nelson: ... April Fools! Yes, you can. There are many kinds of public domain maps whose republication needs no license. For example, in the US all maps published before the magic date, whatever year it is we're up to now. Maps copyrighted but not renewed.

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-04-02 Thread Ian Dees
Hi everybody! Let's tone down this thread a bit and bring it back on topic. Thanks! Ian ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-04-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Paul Norman writes: Without some kind of license giving permission, you cannot use other maps with OSM. April Fools! Yes, you can. There are many kinds of public domain maps whose republication needs no license. For example, in the US all maps published before the magic date, whatever year

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-31 Thread Peter Dobratz
Hi SteveA, I see that you have summarized the a lot of the same information from your email on the United States Railways wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States_railways Looking through Paul's comments and yours, I don't see any specific information about

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-31 Thread stevea
Paul, I did notice that map seemed to be free of copyright and said so on list. I very much appreciate this reminder: don't other-map into OSM. True. Like I said, be careful. That goes for me, too. Good thing I was, and generally am. Regards, Steve

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-31 Thread stevea
Nathan P writes: Keep me updated from Washington State. I work for a Railroad. Nathan, I believe a worthy method to keep updated is via a statewide wiki. I am an active (obsessive?!) contributor to the California/Railroads wiki, and there is also a Montana/Railroads wiki (not touched in

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-31 Thread stevea
Peter Dobratz writes: I don't see any specific information about exactly how one would go about identifying specific railways in Oregon so that they could be added to relations. Yes, Peter: I did that on purpose because I want to encourage OSM mappers to develop their own methods for

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-31 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/31/2015 11:02 AM, stevea wrote: Part of the reason I do this is because other places you might discover these data (subdivision names) are maps published by the rail corporations. But, be careful. For example, I have found that when I go to Union Pacific's web site to get a page that

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-31 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/31/15 4:58 PM, Paul Norman wrote: On 3/31/2015 11:02 AM, stevea wrote: Part of the reason I do this is because other places you might discover these data (subdivision names) are maps published by the rail corporations. But, be careful. For example, I have found that when I go to Union

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-29 Thread Natfoot
Keep me updated from Washington State. I work for a Railroad. Nathan P email: natf...@gmail.com On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: stevea writes: I have run into devotees of old_railway_operator=* and respect the tag by leaving it be where I encounter

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-29 Thread Russ Nelson
stevea writes: I have run into devotees of old_railway_operator=* and respect the tag by leaving it be where I encounter it, though I don't go out of my way to add it unless I have absolute positive knowledge of it (rarely to never). Yeah, it's an NE2 thing which he added automatically

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-25 Thread stevea
Hello Peter: The California/Rail wiki page you describe documents a couple of different ways we tag rail. OpenRailwayMap (ORM) documents a three tier (route=tracks, route=railway, route=train) method used in parts of Germany. As that page (as well as the USA Rail WikiProject) explain(s),

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-22 Thread Peter Dobratz
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Portland also needs help. Seems whenever the map gets fixed, someone goes through and stomps the name back to something incorrect like Metropolitan Area Express or Portland Streetcar instead of the subdivision name, and

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-19 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Speaking of rail mapping: I noticed something that could use some attention. The key old_railway_operator=* is used ~90K times, but almost entirely in the US. [1] It has a *really* minimal wiki page. [2] And I don't see it mentioned on the main Railways page [3] or the US Railways project page

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-19 Thread stevea
Speaking of rail mapping: I noticed something that could use some attention. The key old_railway_operator=* is used ~90K times, but almost entirely in the US. [1] It has a *really* minimal wiki page. [2] And I don't see it mentioned on the main Railways page [3] or the US Railways project page

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-18 Thread Eric H. Christensen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:56:29PM -0700, stevea wrote: Especially if you are a railfan in California, please have a look. Or, if you are a rail enthusiast in another state, and want a template with which to jump-start better OSM rail completion

[Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-03-18 Thread stevea
http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/California/Railroads now documents an early alpha state of OSM rail in California. Especially if you are a railfan in California, please have a look. Or, if you are a rail enthusiast in another state, and want a template with which to jump-start better OSM rail