On 7/14/2020 7:44 AM, Greg Troxel wrote:
Around me the norm is that residential driveways (98% of them) are not
signed no trespassing, but that it is considered reasonable to use them
if 1) you live there 2) you are delivering something 3) you are a guest
4) you are going there for some other
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 5:46 AM Greg Troxel wrote:
> So a router that does not allow use of access=private for a final
> segment, by default, is broken.
+1
Even if we go with the idea that driveways are not access=private unless
posted, there are some driveways that are posted, and people
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 7:46 AM Greg Troxel wrote:
> ...
>
> As for access=private 'breaking' routing, this discussion feels very
> much like tagging for the router, instead of tagging what is and fixing
> the router. If you are driving someplace and you have permission, then
> it should be
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On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:15 AM, Matthew Woehlke
wrote:
> The (possible) problem with having access implied by service=driveway is
> that a lot of access roads to stores/businesses/offices are also
>
On 14/07/2020 09.44, Alex Hennings wrote:
Regarding:
a driveway to a house should not be tagged access=yes
because a no trespassing sign cannot be seen. That is a complete
violation of verfiability, becuase the mapper has zero evidence that
access should be yes.
*Given our defaults, no access
Regarding:
> a driveway to a house should not be tagged access=yes
> because a no trespassing sign cannot be seen. That is a complete
> violation of verfiability, becuase the mapper has zero evidence that
> access should be yes.
*Given our defaults, no access tag is equivalent> to that.*
You're
Jul 14, 2020, 13:17 by jm...@gmx.com:
> On 7/14/2020 4:53 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us wrote:
>
>>
>> Jul 14, 2020, 02:20 by >> jm...@gmx.com>> :
>>
>>> If there was reason to believe you needed explicit permission to
>>> be on
>>> that way, then access=private would be
Tod Fitch writes:
> There are “gated communities” where you can’t get in unless you have a
> card key or speak with a gate keeper. Those should, I think, have
> access=private as you need explicit permission on each entry.
>
> But for the case where the road is privately owned but the owner
>
On 7/14/2020 4:53 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us wrote:
Jul 14, 2020, 02:20 by jm...@gmx.com:
On 7/13/2020 4:09 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
On 13/07/2020 15.16, Kevin Kenny wrote:
The immediate curtilage of a house is presumed to be
private; at least
On 7/13/2020 3:22 PM, Tod Fitch wrote:
Out of curiosity, I looked at the tagging of a neighborhood I know of
which has privately owned roads (maintained by the homeowner’s
association) but no gate blocking entry. There are signs indicating
that the roads are “private” but that state road
Jul 14, 2020, 02:20 by jm...@gmx.com:
> On 7/13/2020 4:09 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
>
>> On 13/07/2020 15.16, Kevin Kenny wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The immediate curtilage of a house is presumed to be private; at least
>>> in the US, one does not drive or walk directly up to someone's house
>>>
On 7/13/2020 4:09 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
On 13/07/2020 15.16, Kevin Kenny wrote:
The immediate curtilage of a house is presumed to be private; at least
in the US, one does not drive or walk directly up to someone's house
without having business there. (Someone making a delivery, obviously,
> On Jul 13, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Jmapb wrote:
> (Trying once again to change this thread subject!)
>
> I'm also in the "worry about it" camp.
>
> To me, it's sad to see a mapper go to all the trouble of fixing the routing
> to the house https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263869602
>
On 13/07/2020 15.16, Kevin Kenny wrote:
I'll confess to having perpetrated a fair number - at a time when I
didn't know better.
Likewise. That said...
A few things, though:
The immediate curtilage of a house is presumed to be private; at least
in the US, one does not drive or walk directly
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:52 PM Jmapb wrote:
> I'm also in the "worry about it" camp.
>
> To me, it's sad to see a mapper go to all the trouble of fixing the routing
> to the house https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263869602 by drawing in the
> driveway
On 7/13/2020 12:59 PM, Alex Hennings wrote:
The /sole purpose/ of routing is to get the user to their destination
without breaking any laws. These are also /specifically my/ /goals
/when I'm using a router. Frequently (in my rural area) getting to my
destination requires using a privately owned
On 7/12/2020 6:03 PM, Mike Thompson wrote:
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:28 AM Jmapb mailto:jm...@gmx.com>> wrote:
> The access -- somewhat common to find a pubic road imported with
access=private, so if I suspect this I'll leave the
> tiger:reviewed=no tag until access can be confirmed, and add a
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