Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-28 Thread Val Kartchner
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 10:57 -0700, am12 wrote: I'm saying that abbreviations are part of every day life, and locals know what to abbreviate and what not to. Sure, according to their local usage, which will be inconsistent with local usage in other places. What one local thinks is an

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-27 Thread am12
I understand that this is a collaborative project, where standards are as much defined by what somebody decides to do as anything else. Neither the wiki pages nor mailing list opinions (or votes) are definitive mandates. Given that, I'll toss my opinion out here. I'm saying that abbreviations

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-26 Thread Val Kartchner
On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 16:31 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: Good. We also need to settle on a set of component tags to make best use of the information present in those edits - particularly to separate out cardinal directions from those that are really part of the name. Can we agree for now that,

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-25 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi Alan, On 24 April 2010 06:33, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2010-04-22 13:09, andrzej zaborowski wrote:  On 22 April 2010 04:24, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote:   At 2010-04-21 17:12, andrzej zaborowski wrote:  On 22 April 2010 01:18, Apollinaris Schoell

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-23 Thread Lord-Castillo, Brett
-Original Message- From: Apollinaris Schoell [mailto:ascho...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:47 AM To: Lord-Castillo, Brett Cc: 'talk-us@openstreetmap.org' Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads On 23 Apr 2010, at 7:13 , Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-23 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Schoell [mailto:ascho...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:47 AM To: Lord-Castillo, Brett Cc: 'talk-us@openstreetmap.org' Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads On 23 Apr 2010, at 7:13 , Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote: On 19 Apr 2010, at 20:24, Apollinaris Schoell wrote

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-23 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.comwrote: The bigger issue with it being imported into OSM is the currency, because municipal boundaries are always changing, and as has been mentioned, boundaries are not usually something that is easily verifiable on the

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-23 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-04-23 18:11, Anthony wrote: A navi system is more useful if the instructions and signs match. Depends on your purpose. If you're trying to navigate to the missigned street (e.g. California Street, where the sign reads Carolina Street), you don't want to get a response of street not

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-23 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-04-23 07:47, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: While I understand the mantra of TIGER=Bad because of the state of the road data, this is not true for the boundary data. Most of the boundary data comes directly from recorded surveys (something not available for roads) and is not bad data

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-23 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-04-22 13:33, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 22 April 2010 17:40, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 Apr 2010, at 17:12 , andrzej zaborowski wrote: The signs are posted there by authorities so this is similar to having access to a tiny piece of a map or database made

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-23 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 23 Apr 2010, at 19:46 , Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-04-23 07:47, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: I don't know about completely. The parts of the Kern/LA/Orange/San Bernardino/Riverside/San Diego borders that I have surveyed are at least close to the signage at important points (admittedly a

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-23 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-04-22 13:09, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 22 April 2010 04:24, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2010-04-21 17:12, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 22 April 2010 01:18, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM, andrzej zaborowski

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-22 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 22 April 2010 04:24, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2010-04-21 17:12, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 22 April 2010 01:18, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Where's damage in that --

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-22 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 22 April 2010 17:40, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 Apr 2010, at 17:12 , andrzej zaborowski wrote: The signs are posted there by authorities so this is similar to having access to a tiny piece of a map or database made by these authorities. For maps people usually

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-21 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 20 April 2010 05:24, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds a lot like the IMO ill-considered road name expansion that was apparently agreed upon by a small group of people without input from the majority of active mappers whose work has been damaged. agreed, no idea why this

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-21 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-04-21 17:12, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 22 April 2010 01:18, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Where's damage in that -- is it in that you can now read the name out without checking the

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-20 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/20/10 3:44 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-04-19 10:45, Mike N. wrote: I see that the separate VS tangled argument has been settled in the US by the Duplicate Node attack bots, who have blindly merged all duplicate nodes.

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-19 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: From an old message: I take the point that 'road realignment' may require the boundary also to move, but the word is MAY and so what ever happens to the road, the location of the boundary needs to be checked separately!

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/19/10 1:45 PM, Mike N. wrote: From an old message: I take the point that 'road realignment' may require the boundary also to move, but the word is MAY and so what ever happens to the road, the location of the boundary needs to be checked separately! It is quite surprising in the

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundaries tied to roads

2010-04-19 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-04-19 10:45, Mike N. wrote: I see that the separate VS tangled argument has been settled in the US by the Duplicate Node attack bots, who have blindly merged all duplicate nodes. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/38855677 Is this really happening? Can someone describe exactly