Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-15 Thread Rimvydas Zilinskas
Paul Van Noord wrote: AS A little cheap for a retort, don't you think? No. Rude, foul-mouthed posts accomplish nothing and deserve a response that might get the attention of the perpetrator. Sorry to dissapoint you, but the answer was not rude att all. It was reality. And I agree with Vilius

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-15 Thread Jens Franik
am Donnerstag, 15. Mai 2008 um 17:53 schrieb vitalie vrabie: just yet another sucker's choice of them. I am feeling disturbed by this kind of discussion, could this maybe please end up in a very short way? whichever, i don't care. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Jens Franik mailto:[EMAIL

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-14 Thread Jens Franik
am Dienstag, 13. Mai 2008 um 22:51 schrieb Bob Riley: I don't think that quick, smart-a__ criticisms of Rit Labs help anyone. It is an unconstructive way of dealing with your own frustrations, I believe. It would be better to go on a long walk in the woods or something. So do I. Sure,

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-14 Thread Jens Franik
am Mittwoch, 14. Mai 2008 um 09:42 schrieb Marck D Pearlstone: So do I. FYI, Vitalie is no longer a member here. Life is too short, so let's discuss it no further. ;-) I already decided not to continue the Thread after my post. Life is too short, and i am willing to survive here ;-) -- Mit

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-14 Thread Alto Speckhardt
Hi Bob, I don't think that quick, smart-a__ criticisms of Rit Labs help anyone. [...] It would be better to go on a long walk in the woods or something. Do you think that would get us working IMAP? Heaven knows we've tried everything else. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Alto Speckhardt

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-14 Thread Alto Speckhardt
Hi, it ain't ritlabs that needs it. rather, the users need it. ... and does RIT need users? and, management being a SERVICE, question is - who is ready to pay for it? I certainly would. What do I care whether TheBat costs 30 or 50 E, but I want apropriate value for it. I haven't seen such

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-14 Thread Alto Speckhardt
Hi Paul, Do yourself, the list and Ritlabs a favor and find another forum to lurk in. A little cheap for a retort, don't you think? Every single point Vilius made in his post is backed by fact and so is every bit of frustration that may be read both in and between the lines. I couldn't

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Vilius, @14-May-2008, 18:02 +0300 (14-May 16:02 here) Vilius Šumskas [V] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip AS be able to cover this. Maybe you and he can start your own forum. V I think this is not for you to decide. My message was to RitLabs, .. Then it should be sent to

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-14 Thread Alto Speckhardt
Hi Paul, Maybe you and he can start your own forum. Don't forget that neither of us is here to please RIT, and that does (if not, it ought to) include you. This is not a fanclub. We are here solely because RIT failed to live up to its promises and does not show any indications on changing this

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-14 Thread Eddie Castelli
Dear Rimvydas, -- Montag, 12. Mai 2008, 17:54:50: I don't know whats so funny with that. Agreed! The Bat! has the bugs in there I paid the money for it and naturally I want them fixed. Look at it from the positive side. - You buy a product 'X' with 'no bug' for 'XY $'. - Now

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-14 Thread Rick
AS I couldn't agree more with him. RIT has let down users of TheBat big AS time, and no amount of unquestioning applauding by RIT-yes-men will AS be able to cover this. Maybe you and he can start your own forum. Spelling Lesson: D-E-A-D H-O-R-S-E although that is just a private opinion --

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-13 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Carsten, On 13-05-2008 17:12, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's really frustrating seeing minor bugs being solved or new features being implemented while facing these serious issues for every new mail. Agreed. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-13 Thread Rimvydas Zilinskas
Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote: I think the counters are the main problem with IMAP. There are others, too, but the counters drive people mad. We are faced with this bug for every new email that arrives! (emails not recognized as been read, animated icon, etc.). Stefan or Maxim, could you

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-13 Thread Vilius Šumskas
Tuesday, May 13, 2008, 12:16:07 AM, you wrote: Vilius Šumskas wrote: I'm wondering where their management is looking? yikes! what's that? Do they even have any? i concur to this question. That explains everything. -- Best regards, Vilius

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-13 Thread vitalie vrabie
Vilius Šumskas wrote: That explains everything. not really. from how i remember the guys in older times, they were the team that doesn't quite need management. -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 4.0.24.9

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-13 Thread Rick
Vilius Šumskas wrote: That explains everything. not really. from how i remember the guys in older times, they were the team that doesn't quite need management. I am a bit curious. What's the point of this? They are constantly fixing things but in one area of the program at a time,

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-13 Thread vitalie vrabie
Rick wrote: They are constantly fixing things but in one area of the program at a time, which isn't always MY personal choice for fixes and wishes but they ARE working and making progress. sure they are fixing. but this IMAP counters topic comes up again and again. sort of like people want

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-13 Thread vitalie vrabie
Rick wrote: I am a bit curious. What's the point of this? i think, point is, to make clear once and for good who exactly need management at Ritlabs. it ain't ritlabs that needs it. rather, the users need it. and, management being a SERVICE, question is - who is ready to pay for it? --

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-13 Thread vitalie vrabie
Bob Riley wrote: I don't think that quick, smart-a__ criticisms of Rit Labs help anyone. absolutely! out of all these people that are constantly nagging to one deficiency or another, who is really ready to work for ritlabs and provide a fix? not as a permanent job, cuz the software is not sold

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-13 Thread vitalie vrabie
Goncalo Farias wrote: The programmers at RitLabs are very sensitive people and could reply something like this (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) to you. being sensitive is totally different from being selfish. and the tagline of that mid explains it pretty well. -- Signed, Vitalie.

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-12 Thread Christian Grams
Guten Tag Rimvydas Zilinskas, am Sonntag, 11. Mai 2008 um 07:42 schrieben Sie: Guys, So many betas are being released:) Is it possible to start fixing inaccurate messages count on IMAP folders? I think that it is very important feature for a lot of The Bat! users.

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-12 Thread vitalie brabie
Christian Grams wrote: ...and while your at it - fix the whole of IMAP! sounds like please fix the misplaced label in XYZ dialog og thebat. and while you're at it - fix the whole thebat :) Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA'

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-12 Thread Rimvydas Zilinskas
I don't know whats so funny with that. The Bat! has the bugs in there I paid the money for it and naturally I want them fixed. vitalie brabie wrote: Christian Grams wrote: ...and while your at it - fix the whole of IMAP! sounds like please fix the misplaced label in XYZ dialog og thebat.

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-12 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Rimvydas, @12-May-2008, 18:54 +0300 (12-May 16:54 here) Rimvydas Zilinskas [RZ] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip ...and while your at it - fix the whole of IMAP! sounds like please fix the misplaced label in XYZ dialog og thebat. and while you're at it - fix the whole thebat

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-12 Thread Rimvydas Zilinskas
I think that Ritlab guys know very well where are the problems. Even their support admitted this. --- We have to admit The Bat! has got some inaccuracy in the IMAP counters and it's not that easy to fix. Anyway, we intend to completely rework IMAP support in future and we are sre it will be

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-12 Thread vitalie brabie
Rimvydas Zilinskas wrote: I don't know whats so funny with that. The Bat! has the bugs in there I paid the money for it and naturally I want them fixed. you were given some time to decide whether to pay or not to pay. i think that's fair.

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-12 Thread Rimvydas Zilinskas
Do not understand this as a complaint. Its only strong wish:) I want to move completely from thunderbird. And I'm The Bat! user since 1.xx times so I know this client very well and like it so much. But this inaccuracy drives me mad:( you were given some time to decide whether to pay or not to

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-12 Thread vitalie vrabie
Rimvydas Zilinskas wrote: I think that Ritlab guys know very well where are the problems. Even their support admitted this. their support has absolutely no word over development. their programmers completely ignore what support says (you need it, you do it), then leave the company for a better

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-12 Thread vitalie vrabie
vitalie vrabie wrote: I think that Ritlab guys know very well where are the problems. Even their support admitted this. their support has absolutely no word over development. their programmers completely ignore what support says (you need it, you do it), then leave the company for a better

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-12 Thread vitalie vrabie
Rimvydas Zilinskas wrote: Do not understand this as a complaint. Its only strong wish:) I want to move completely from thunderbird. And I'm The Bat! user since 1.xx times so I know this client very well and like it so much. But this inaccuracy drives me mad:( that means you guys deserve

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-12 Thread Vilius Šumskas
vitalie vrabie [EMAIL PROTECTED] rašė: vitalie vrabie wrote: I think that Ritlab guys know very well where are the problems. Even their support admitted this. their support has absolutely no word over development. their programmers completely ignore what support says (you need it, you do

Re: The Bat! and messages count on IMAP folders

2008-05-12 Thread vitalie vrabie
Vilius Šumskas wrote: I'm wondering where their management is looking? yikes! what's that? Do they even have any? i concur to this question. -- Signed, Vitalie. http://vv.labordei.com Current beta is 4.0.24.8 | 'Using TBBETA'