Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-04 Thread Neal Laugman
Mark Please do not post such self-correcting mails anymore. I had read your message skipping the quoted text. Without your correction I wouldn't have noticed the swearing! :-) Gosh I'm so sorry I have offended you with my humor. Please accept my sincerest apology. -- Neal

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-04 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Mark Partous everyone else, on 04-Dez-2005 at 07:40 you (Mark Partous) wrote: Well, I have a lot of software that I only need to use a few times a year. These settings are loaded every time Windows is being started. I would have preferred a situtation where one would have the choice

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-04 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Sunday, December 4, 2005, 7:40:43, Mark Partous wrote: These settings are loaded every time Windows is being started. No, they aren't. Registry settings are read-in when the application first needs them, and they stay cached for a while (registry works similarly to disk cache, however it's

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-03 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Neal, @2-Dec-2005, 19:38 -0900 (03-Dec 04:38 here) Neal Laugman [NL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: NL Friday, December 2, 2005, 6:21:36 AM, you quoted: DA It's just a bull reason to have another product, based on the DA same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;) NL not a

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-03 Thread Neal Laugman
Hi Marck snip I detect a vigilante in our midst! A self flagellating one at that. Hmmm... Yes - you've all made quite an immpression on me g. -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.63.06 (Beta) and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.4 on Win2000 SP4

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-03 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, on 03-Dez-2005 at 00:01 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: Why all these queries at the same moment? What is going on there? Is this needed? I don't think so. Why do *YOU* worry about the registry? You're using Thunderbird on Linux, anyway. Please go

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-03 Thread Michael Schneider
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Why do *YOU* worry about the registry? You're using Thunderbird on Linux, anyway. Please go elsewhere to rant about Windows, the registry, and Ritlabs. Oh sorry. Didn't I tell you that I have three TheBat! licences and I'm running windows and linux on different

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-03 Thread Mark Partous
Hello Neal, Saturday, December 3, 2005, 5:38:43 AM, you wrote: NL Please do not quote swearing members on this list. This is a clear NL violation of the list rules and will not be tolerated. The audience NL here is a mixed bunch and this is as much a matter of polite NL consideration for others

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-03 Thread Mark Partous
Hello Jernej, Friday, December 2, 2005, 11:03:05 PM, you wrote: JS Registry slow? Get RegMon from sysinternals, and look at the number of JS transactions Registry handles per second - (I get an average of 870 on my JS computer). Now imagine that all of these were instead querying normal files JS

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-03 Thread Mark Partous
Hello Alexander, Friday, December 2, 2005, 10:59:49 PM, you wrote: ASK Thats a common myth, and it never happened to me even once in 5 1/2 years ASK of using different Windows systems. Good to know the crashes I had and the problems I currently have were due to a common myth! :-) -- Best

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-03 Thread Mark Partous
Hello Michael, Friday, December 2, 2005, 11:43:42 PM, you wrote: MS How about moving to a new workstation? With configuration-files you just MS have to backup your application and your configuration, copy both on MS your new machine and your done. Try this one with applications that need MS the

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Graham, On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:47:58 + (UTC)GMT (2-12-2005, 13:47 +0100, where I live), you wrote: GF b) If the answer to a) is no not really - then why bother with it. Why not GF just put the INI file features into mainstream TB! and have this extra GF (useful) feature in the main

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Schneider
Roelof Otten wrote: For a multi user environment on one system the registry is the most logical place to store settings per user. Sorry but that's pure nonsense. Or you want to tell me that every OS without a registry (= all OS exept windows) won't run properly. My poor Linux and OS/2 ...

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Dimitry Andric
Graham wrote: I'm rather dubious about Voyaer for a couple of reasons:- --snip-- What am I missing? It's just a bullshit reason to have another product, based on the same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Schneider
Dimitry Andric wrote: It's just a bullshit reason to have another product, based on the same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;) Ah, you think, THAT's the reason there was no v4 this year? It was too obvious so it's better to release a spin-off? ;- Interessting thought :-D

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Dimitry, On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:21:36 +0100 GMT (02/12/2005, 20:21 +0700 GMT), Dimitry Andric wrote: What am I missing? DA It's just a bullshit reason to have another product, based on the DA same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;) People have been asking for a portable TB.

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Dimitry Andric
Thomas Fernandez wrote: It's just a bullshit reason to have another product, based on the same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;) People have been asking for a portable TB. There is a demand out there, which is being met. It's a wise decision. There was never any reason for The

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Schneider
Leif Gregory wrote: That's part of the point. This is supposed to be a portable app. If I want to sit down at my friend's machine, pop in my flash drive and check my e-mail then I wouldn't have a home directory. It would get written to the home directory of whatever user is logged in (my

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, on 02-Dez-2005 at 14:18 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: There's no need at all for user applications to put their settings into something like the windows registry! Except that it is the way MS has designed Windows. :) Configurations can easily be put

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Schneider
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Configurations can easily be put into the user's home directory as a plain text file, an ini or for the advanced as XML. But how would the application sense oh, I'm running from a flash drive now (which meams it should not store the settings in the user profile)

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, on 02-Dez-2005 at 19:33 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: So your question has nothing to do with what I was saying. And what you were saying has nothing to do with Voyager. ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) I

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Schneider
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: So your question has nothing to do with what I was saying. And what you were saying has nothing to do with Voyager. ;-) *rolling eyes* Roellof said something about local applications and their need to use the registry. I answered him my opinion on *THAT* topic.

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, on 02-Dez-2005 at 21:46 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: Roellof said something about local applications and their need to use the registry. You happily omitted quoting me saying that Windows was designed that way. I assume we agree that the goal is to

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, December 2, 2005, 19:13:32, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: There's no need at all for user applications to put their settings into something like the windows registry! Except that it is the way MS has designed Windows. :) Maybe, but Microsoft has deprecheated the use of Registry quite a

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, December 2, 2005, 22:21:57, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Other operation systems put them into one single directory (instead of a single file) called /etc or whatever. That isn't true - on *nix, /etc is used for system-wide settings only (%ALLUSERPROFILE% and HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE in

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Schneider
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: MS chose to put all these configuration files into one big file called registry from W95 on. And in the multiuser capable versions of Windows, the user specific part of the registry (user.dat, thats where TB stores its settings) resides in the users home directory.

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Jernej Simončič everyone else, on 02-Dez-2005 at 22:41 you (Jernej Simončič) wrote: That isn't true - on *nix, /etc is used for system-wide settings only Whatever. I don't know the correct names. I could have written Alfred instead of registry just as well, it makes no difference. --

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Schneider
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Whatever. I don't know the correct names. I could have written Alfred instead of registry just as well, it makes no difference. That shows that you have no idea what you are talking about... mod, close ;) Michael -- Jabber [EMAIL PROTECTED] - OpenPGP 0xE59FD50D Um

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, on 02-Dez-2005 at 22:44 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: The windows registry is slow Things have changed dramatically since W95. Make yourself aware of how WXP works with the registry. There a big difference to W2k and older versions. possibility that

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Michael Schneider everyone else, on 02-Dez-2005 at 22:53 you (Michael Schneider) wrote: That shows that you have no idea what you are talking about... You are a very kind and friendly person, indeed. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The first Myth

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Friday, December 2, 2005, 22:44:08, Michael Schneider wrote: The windows registry is slow, possibility that one single application smashes the whole thing is very high, it's hard to maintain. Registry slow? Get RegMon from sysinternals, and look at the number of transactions Registry

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Schneider
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Thats a common myth, and it never happened to me even once in 5 1/2 years of using different Windows systems. Ah and because it never happend to you it's a myth. :) I for one have no problem to navigate regedit to HKCU/Software/RIT/TB, not more or less than

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Michael Schneider
Jernej Simončič wrote: Registry slow? Get RegMon from sysinternals, and look at the number of transactions Registry handles per second - (I get an average of 870 on my computer). Now imagine that all of these were instead querying normal files on disk - your disk cache would be trashed, and

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Neal Laugman
Thomas and Dimitry, What am I missing? DA It's just a bullshit reason to have another product, based on the DA same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;) People have been asking for a portable TB. There is a demand out there, which is being met. It's a wise decision. If I could

Re: Voyager spec...

2005-12-02 Thread Neal Laugman
Hello Neal Friday, December 2, 2005, 6:21:36 AM, you quoted: DA It's just a bull reason to have another product, based on the DA same source code. I.e. the reason is more money. ;) not a moderator Note: This non-moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person