Re: [time-nuts] Why not TAI?

2011-08-10 Thread cook michael
Le 10/08/2011 07:41, Attila Kinali a écrit : On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 05:57:45 + Poul-Henning Kampp...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: Everybody but the time-lords have always been told to stay away from TAI in the strongest possible terms by said time-lords, who again and told the world to use UTC.

Re: [time-nuts] Why not TAI?

2011-08-10 Thread cook michael
Le 10/08/2011 12:55, Attila Kinali a écrit : If TAI is a paper clock, what else should be used if a strictly monotone time scale is needed? Do you have any specific application in mind? If you need an SI seconds rated scale, then you need something based on TAI. GPS time has a TAI second rate

Re: [time-nuts] UTR timescale draft spec

2011-08-06 Thread cook michael
Le 06/08/2011 04:32, WB6BNQ a écrit : Michael Sokolov, I do not mean to be disrespectful, but this list is not about creating time scales No, indeed, but as the subject is time I see no reason that he should not advertise the project here. I am going to ask that you respect this position and

Re: [time-nuts] Weird TEC data

2011-08-03 Thread cook michael
Le 03/08/2011 17:32, Francis Grosz a écrit : Hi, Scott, Here in New Orleans a friend in the power company who was interested in its history told me a story. In the very early days, frequency control was pretty poor and it was hard to keep up with the changing load. So by 5 PM every

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO for my rubber duckie

2011-08-02 Thread cook michael
Le 02/08/2011 04:35, Michael Sokolov a écrit : snip Henry Hallamhe...@pericynthion.org wrote: The parameters you'll want for conversion between MCAT and mean solar time are given daily in the IERS bulletins: http://hpiers.obspm.fr/eop-pc/products/bulletins/bulletins.html Yes, I know. By

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO for my rubber duckie

2011-08-02 Thread cook michael
Le 03/08/2011 00:49, Chris Stake a écrit : I don't get it. Does that mean that leap days are OK but leap seconds are unacceptable? Chris For the moment yes, as they are animals from two different species. Leap seconds form part of the current definition of UTC which is a time scale, even

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-23 Thread cook michael
Le 23/07/2011 01:39, Horst Schmidt a écrit : Ha, you may well ask. The reason to hate DST is given to us in the southern parts of Australia, by our Queensland cousins: The problems with DST is : 1. The Cows get very confused and the farmers have problems milking them. 2. The chickens

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-15 Thread cook michael
Le 15/07/2011 07:57, Poul-Henning Kamp a écrit : snip Everybody but the time-lords have always been told to stay away from TAI in the strongest possible terms by said time-lords, who again and told the world to use UTC. The time lords are not completely deaf. For more than 10 years there has

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-15 Thread cook michael
Le 15/07/2011 10:33, Poul-Henning Kamp a écrit : In message4e1ffa88.9050...@sfr.fr, cook michael writes: Michael, there are a few details you overlook, and rather than repeat myself, I'll point you at an article I wrote for Queue and Communications of The ACM, trying to lay out the bits: http

Re: [time-nuts] 58503A, GPS vs UTC?

2011-06-07 Thread cook michael
Le 07/06/2011 21:15, r...@lcs.mit.edu a écrit : I have an HP 58503A. It has an Option H14,H19 sticker on the back. The circuit board has 58503-60001 Rev C stamped on it. It has been running continuously and locked to GPS for a few days, and it knows the correct number of seconds between GPS and

Re: [time-nuts] IEEE Spectrum Magazine interviews one of our own...

2011-05-25 Thread cook michael
Le 25/05/2011 04:00, Tom Holmes a écrit : snip Steven Cherry is exaggerating when he says most systems go down for planned maintenance instead of trying to deal with leap seconds in real time. As someone who has been supporting major industrial, banking, airline systems for the last 30

Re: [time-nuts] What are these towers?

2011-05-21 Thread cook michael
Le 21/05/2011 08:30, Robert Darlington a écrit : Guys, I gotta ask, what does this have to do with time keeping? Am I missing something? -Bob I know what you mean. I was desperately fighting down the urge to reply to Lamar's post to query the significance of cows and horses. On Fri, May

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread cook michael
Le 16/05/2011 00:29, iov...@inwind.it a écrit : You are right, the right value for the crystal would be about 32859.27, but I thought that such a difference could be compensated in the circuitry, that's why I omitted the decimals. before you get into grinding I have a question on your chosen

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-15 Thread cook michael
Le 15/05/2011 23:22, iov...@inwind.it a écrit : Hi all, does anybody out there have any ideas as where to find a 32859Hz crystal (1/2 that value would be better) to be used to replace 32768 crystals in ordinary clocks? I don't think this will work as the divider chain will give wrong length

Re: [time-nuts] Z3816A Serial Port Parameters

2011-04-25 Thread cook michael
Le 25/04/2011 18:35, Iain Young a écrit : Hi Guys, Having finally got the time to get my Z3816A connected up to both a power supply and antenna, I find myself with a minor issue. It powers up just fine (minus the silly Antenna alarm, really must add that resistor sometime...) gets GPS Lock,

Re: [time-nuts] Mitac MGE100 ?

2011-04-24 Thread cook michael
Le 24/04/2011 20:04, Pete Lancashire a écrit : Mitac MGE100 Yes; looks like a dev kit. I find it's a 12-Channel GPS Receiver Module Based on SiRF Technology Chipset. What version of SIRF I cant see. Google for SIRF NMEA Reference manual , hook it to a Serial port and away you go. There are

Re: [time-nuts] 60hz disciplined watch

2011-04-20 Thread cook michael
Le 20/04/2011 16:17, John Ackermann N8UR a écrit : I wonder if it's smart enough to have a sanity check to determine whether the line frequency is 50 vs. 60 Hz? BTW -- I have an Ecodrive watch, but it's radio controlled (as well as solar charging), so haven't seen any reference to this

Re: [time-nuts] PIC processor CTMU module used for sub-ns TIC applications?

2011-04-16 Thread cook michael
Le 17/04/2011 00:20, beale a écrit : The application note merely asserts the possibility, but neglects to present a specific design. Has anyone here attempted to use a PIC CTMU in that way? The app note doesn't give a complete design, but the principle of precision time measurement is

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A word of caution

2011-04-07 Thread cook michael
Le 07/04/2011 16:20, Jerry a écrit : The 10 MHz output is not close to the expected frequency tolerance. The first of the units that I received puts out a signal at 9,999,945 Hz. The vendor then sent a second unit which puts out a signal at 10,000,025 Hz. Could it be the transport conditions

Re: [time-nuts] SI Unit Problems

2011-04-05 Thread cook michael
Le 05/04/2011 17:51, Jim Lux a écrit : On 4/5/11 8:25 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Just reading at: http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt First about the candela and all it's problems, then what's a Time Nut issue Hz . // This means that, if you follow the rules of the SI, // 1 Hz =

Re: [time-nuts] Result of Earth Quake speeds up earth?

2011-03-20 Thread cook michael
Le 20/03/2011 05:59, Bruce Griffiths a écrit : jimlux wrote: A 10-12m diameter dish is probably close to the minimum feasible aperture. A 4m dish can be made to work in conjunction with a mauch larger dish (eg 30m). The original speculation was for measuring the small change in earth

Re: [time-nuts] Result of Earth Quake speeds up earth?

2011-03-20 Thread cook michael
Le 17/03/2011 22:14, Jim Palfreyman a écrit : Just for fun I plotted the UT1-UTC data from the IERS Bulletin A. Here's the raw data: I add the deltas UT1-UTC s delta -0.18115 -0.182320,00161 -0.183530,00121 -0.1847 0,00117 -0.185760,00116 -0.186740,00098 -0.18763

Re: [time-nuts] Result of Earth Quake speeds up earth?

2011-03-20 Thread cook michael
Le 20/03/2011 11:02, cook michael a écrit : Le 17/03/2011 22:14, Jim Palfreyman a écrit : Just for fun I plotted the UT1-UTC data from the IERS Bulletin A. Here's the raw data: Ooops - I correct the deltas ... UT1-UTC s delta -0.18115 -0.182320,00117 -0.183530,00121

Re: [time-nuts] Coalition to Save GPS

2011-03-13 Thread cook michael
Le 13/03/2011 10:28, Charles P. Steinmetz a écrit : Mahlon wrote: The Lightsquared terrestrial network will be LTE, same as most carriers are migrating to. They will almost certainly use GPS timing receivers at the cell sites for network timing. and their timing receivers antenna will

Re: [time-nuts] Physics !

2011-03-10 Thread cook michael
Le 11/03/2011 01:24, J. Forster a écrit : One Watt per square meter: http://www.ecd.bnl.gov/steve/watt.html === The ‘scandal’ of the kilogram First, it’s vital for us as consumers to be confident about what we buy – we don’t want to be ripped off at the checkout with an underweight

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-03 Thread cook michael
The problem will probably resolve itself when the first idiot to lose his GPS at a T junction drives into the deli across the street as he/she was not told to take a turn. The driver will sue for denial of service and 50 million other Americans will jump on board the class action. Le

Re: [time-nuts] Newby with questions

2011-02-28 Thread cook michael
Le 28/02/2011 17:37, David VanHorn a écrit : I have a thunderbolt up and running since last week Friday. I'm doing this for a calibration source at work, eventually we will have two antennas, feedlines, and thunderbolts, so that we can have one fail and keep operating, but for the moment I

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A Comm timeout

2011-02-21 Thread cook michael
Le 22/02/2011 05:13, Hirokazu Makishima a écrit : Hi, I got my hands on a Z3815A(with hockey puck) and trying to communicate with it. It seems that Z38XX and gpscon work ok at first, then looses connection in about 30min.(error receiver timeout) If I reestablish connection, it works fine, but

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread cook michael
Le 16/02/2011 00:57, Chris Albertson a écrit : How can watches be OT on a time-nuts list? Yes the technology of today is electronic but mechanical time keeping was the center of this art for centuries. I agree , with the caveat that posts keep to technical topics. There are plenty of product

Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery

2011-02-15 Thread cook michael
: cook michael michael.c...@sfr.fr To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tool Needed to Access my Timer Battery Le 16/02/2011 00:57, Chris Albertson a écrit : How can watches be OT on a time-nuts list? Yes the technology of today is electronic

Re: [time-nuts] an interesting problem

2011-02-06 Thread cook michael
I had a quick look at the IEEE-1355 HIC bus on which spacewire is based and it seems that although the clock is not on the wire, it can be reconstructed as an XOR of the strobe and data. So a passthrough connector sampling those lines (differential) with RS-644 receivers and a quad NAND may

Re: [time-nuts] counter

2011-01-30 Thread cook michael
Not that the decks are cleared for this project yet. Heck, my picII's aren't built or programmed. Speaking of PICTIC II's. Great project, but I had originally decided not to go that route as list members were indicating that 5370Bs were to be picked up for 200 bucks. Not so in France I am

Re: [time-nuts] GPS tests by the DoD

2011-01-21 Thread cook michael
Le 21/01/2011 02:23, Stanley Reynolds a écrit : Looks like a upside down wedding cake a very familiar shape for pilots, ground receivers may not be effected if beyond the horizon of the testing device if it is at sea level. Yes this is just a guess on my part. One would assume that the DoD would

Re: [time-nuts] LH v3.0 Beta and Z3816A Question

2011-01-18 Thread cook michael
Le 18/01/2011 05:07, J. L. Trantham a écrit : An unrelated question. My Z3816A reports GPS time. I have looked but have not found a command to make it switch to UTC. Does such a command exist? If so, what is it? The command to do the same on the Z3801A might work with this box aswell.

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom Launches CSAC Product for Precise Timing and Synchronization

2011-01-18 Thread cook michael
Le 18/01/2011 20:59, Poul-Henning Kamp a écrit : In message4d35ef76.7020...@pacific.net, Brooke Clarke writes: The research that was announced some years ago was Cs atoms: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/20177 There is a technology pdf available on their site. It gives more

Re: [time-nuts] Not getting microsecond accurate time in Linux with GPS setup

2011-01-18 Thread cook michael
Hi, A couple of things not mentioned in the previous responses: precision here is not how accurate your laptops clock is. precision is a measure of how much the time changes during successive reading of the system clock as viewed by ntpd. Its minimum value is 1us due to the timeval

Re: [time-nuts] Sure Electronics GPS

2011-01-17 Thread cook michael
The SureElectronics unit is general within 10 feet with no observed off the wall excursions. With that in mind, I wonder how accurate is their 1pps output? Hi, There was some discussion on the MG1613S earlier. I ordered one off the bay and did a few test. I tried to post some pics of