Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank

2014-05-09 Thread NeonJohn
On 04/12/2014 03:23 PM, d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: Magnus, You are very much on the track that I was thinking. I belive you are absolutly correct in that a 90 degree phase shift would be ideal. Coming into the conversation kinda late. Sounds like you're building an induction heater

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-12 Thread nuts
Some terminology to consider. There is the natural and damped frequency to consider. That is, as you load the circuit, the resonance changes. If you drive it with infinite impedance, you are at the natural frequency. Loading it will shift the frequency, hence the damped frequency. I would try to

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 11/04/14 22:15, Dan Kemppainen wrote: Hi all, I'm thinking about an upcoming project, if this is off topic please disregard or contact me off list. :) I have a large LC tank, with a very lossy inductor. Being driven by a pulse width push pull driver, that is digitally controlled. The driver

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-12 Thread Didier Juges
Keep in mind that anything you connect across your tank circuit will affect its resonant frequency and Q (signal source and measuring device). You need to make sure your equipment is very loosely coupled to the UUT through small value capacitors for instance. Didier KO4BB On April 11, 2014

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank

2014-04-12 Thread dan
Magnus, You are very much on the track that I was thinking. I belive you are absolutly correct in that a 90 degree phase shift would be ideal.    I did a bit more digging last night, and it turns out that an XOR phase comparator looking at the tank voltage and drive voltage may be ideal, as

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank

2014-04-12 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
It is very easy to make an impedance phase detector by inserting a toroidal current transformer in series with the load under test. The center of the secondary is connected to the load through a capacitor. Each end of the secondary goes to a diode detector. When the load is resistive, the DC

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank

2014-04-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/04/14 21:23, d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: Magnus, You are very much on the track that I was thinking. I belive you are absolutly correct in that a 90 degree phase shift would be ideal. I did a bit more digging last night, and it turns out that an XOR phase comparator looking at the

[time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-11 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi all, I'm thinking about an upcoming project, if this is off topic please disregard or contact me off list. :) I have a large LC tank, with a very lossy inductor. Being driven by a pulse width push pull driver, that is digitally controlled. The driver circuit will couple through a N:1

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-11 Thread J. Forster
At resonance, an LC looks pure resistive. For a parallel LC, sample the voltage across the LC and the drive current, and tweek the frequency until they are in-phase. For a series LC, sample the voltage across the L or C and tweek as above. If you want to do it analog, dither the frequency a

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-11 Thread Jim Harman
First order approximation of course would be to sweep the frequency and look for a dip (peak for series resonant) in the DC current drawn by the driver. On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Dan Kemppainen d...@irtelemetrics.comwrote: when actively driving a tank circuit, how do you know you are

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-11 Thread Hal Murray
I have a large LC tank, with a very lossy inductor. ... So the question is, when actively driving a tank circuit, how do you know you are driving it with the same frequency ad the same phase it naturally oscillates at. If it's lossy, the peak will be broad so tuning the driving frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-11 Thread paul swed
I would have done exactly what Hal said. I do this all the time when trying to figure out the LC tanks operating frequency. An example keeping this time nuts friendly, the d-psk-r circuits at 60 Khz. I am lucky in that I can add or subtract C on the stuff I work on. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri,

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency of LC Tank.

2014-04-11 Thread J. Forster
That's why you want to look for the phase of the tank impedance. The phase goes through zero at resonance. It is far more precise. The steepness of the phase v. frequency plot is steep w/ a high Q circuit... flatter w/ a low Q tank. Either way, it does go through zero at resonance. The phase v.