Re: [time-nuts] GPS jump

2014-10-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
To me it doesn't look like a real jump but rather a result of aggregated systematics. I think it is related to satellite orbits and how they provide number of birds or lack of good symmetry, or both. Both september 28th and 29th have equivalently large jumps as october 9th. Cheers, Magnus On

Re: [time-nuts] F*watch

2014-10-12 Thread Javier Serrano
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Javier Serrano javier.serrano.par...@gmail.com wrote: It's as free-as-in-freedom as we could make it: schematics, layout, case and code, all using free tools. That is really

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680 Linux command line tool

2014-10-12 Thread Didier Juges
I use that chip in an old project with an 8051 microcontroller. They are becoming obsolete, I had to switch to the PSD913F if I recall correctly (or maybe the other way around?) I have a couple of the programmers too. They work from the printer port, you are talking about certifiable dinosaurs

[time-nuts] Advice on sighting a roof mounted gps area please

2014-10-12 Thread swingbyte
Hi All, I am building a house extension and part of the works involves adding a new hip roof made of corrugated iron. I was thinking I would pass a 50mm pvc pipe through the roof with a tee and then mount two conical gps timing antennas on top of it. I am in a low point and don't have

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Robert Darby
Bruce, Thanks, I recall the thread from reading the digests. The CERN code is wonderfully compact but not immediately obvious to a novice to VHDL. Perhaps one day the light will come on. Bob On 10/12/2014 12:27 AM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: Original thread on DDMTD in 2008:

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi With *all* of these “drop to a lower frequency” approaches, the theoretical resolution is very good compared to the useful resolution. A straight mix to 1 Hz into a 5370 is a great example. The filter / limiter is the thing that sets the useful resolution rather than the theoretical

Re: [time-nuts] Advice on sighting a roof mounted gps area please

2014-10-12 Thread paul swed
Tim The antennas should not interfere with each other due to rf leakage because of the way the systems are designed. I will believe you are using 2 rf feeds. The more you can clear the trees the better. My very simple solution is a 90' tower. A bit of humor it does have other uses. Regards Paul

Re: [time-nuts] Advice on sighting a roof mounted gps area please

2014-10-12 Thread Chris Albertson
First off, why only 50mm and why plastic? The PVC will degrade in the sunlight over the years. Use galvanized iron pipe. Make the mast as tall as you can. It can extend sever feet below the roof and attach to house structure using u-bolts. (Hight limited only by appearance from the street.)

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Anders Wallin
Interesting 2008 discussion on using a sound-card ADC for a DMTD system! Did anyone build a DMTD-system and measure the performance using a 24-bit soundcard? Does it matter that the ADC in the sound-card is probably clocked by a crystal clock that is 50ppm off and has bad ADEV? Anders On Sun,

Re: [time-nuts] TM500/TM5000/HP-5370 Extender cables and cards

2014-10-12 Thread John Allen
Hi Mark - do you recommend one 5370 Extender set or two? I definitely want one. Regards, John -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sims Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:46 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com; volt-n...@febo.com Subject:

[time-nuts] F*watch

2014-10-12 Thread Mark Sims
If you want to add wi-fi to a project, take a look at the ESP8266 wifi system-on-a chip. It has a wifi transceiver and a 32 bit processor on a single chip. People have been getting 300 meter range with a PCB antenna. There is now a GCC compiler for it... lots of work going on here:

Re: [time-nuts] Advice on sighting a roof mounted gps area please

2014-10-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you are going to get any benefit from multiple antennas, you want to space them as far apart as possible. You are better off with one antenna and a splitter than with two close spaced antennas. The cost of mucking around on the roof is non-trivial. The world is headed to L1/L2

Re: [time-nuts] TM500/TM5000/HP-5370 Extender cables and cards

2014-10-12 Thread Tom Van Baak
We certainly allow, maybe even encourage, occasional sales of time frequency related stuff on the list. But please send inquiries, orders, and replies directly to the OP, rather than the entire list. In this case your emails should go to: Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com Thanks, /tvb Hi Mark -

[time-nuts] TM500/TM5000/HP-5370 Extender cables and cards

2014-10-12 Thread Mark Sims
I suspect that 90% of the work could be done with a single kit. That will get one card out of the chassis. But, there are always those annoying problems where getting two cards out can make life a little easier. With two kits you could also hack up the extra 44-pin board to make a smaller

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Hal Murray
anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com said: Does it matter that the ADC in the sound-card is probably clocked by a crystal clock that is 50ppm off and has bad ADEV? You can calibrate the clock on the ADC. One way is to feed a known reference frequency in on the other channel. (That's assuming you

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you are mixing down to 10 Hz, and are looking for 1x10^-7 on the 10 Hz, that equates to a stability / accuracy spec of 0.1 ppm on the ADC clock. A 20 to 100 ppm offset on the clock is not all that unusual. Calibrating out initial offset to 1 ppm is pretty simple. If you can poke a

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Bob Camp
HI A little more information: If you are doing the ADC thing, you still need to estimate zero crossings. In all likelihood you would be doing bandpass filtering first (say 8 Hz to 12 Hz) on your 10 Hz note. Next you would do some sort of estimator to get the zero cross. A curve fit is one

Re: [time-nuts] Advice on sighting a roof mounted gps area please

2014-10-12 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: If you are going to get any benefit from multiple antennas, you want to space them as far apart as possible. You are better off with one antenna and a splitter than with two close spaced antennas. Does anybody have data? How would I measure it? Where is the knee? I

Re: [time-nuts] Advice on sighting a roof mounted gps area please

2014-10-12 Thread Bob Camp
HI Many years ago, we got dinged on customer visit when they spotted our GPS antenna array on the roof. The claim made at the time was that anything under 20’ spacing was counterproductive. I’ve seen numbers like 5, 8, 10,15 and 25 feet mentioned by different people at different times. The

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Robert, Bob Camp mention Collins low jitter hard limiters but I suspect that's much more of an issue on the very shallow slopes you see on 5 or 10 Hz mixer outputs. The LTC6957 is probably overkill on 10 MHz inputs but I believe they're a tad better than a 74AC gate, but then again maybe not

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, Some attempts have been made. Never got around to write the needed code. On 10/12/2014 08:37 PM, Hal Murray wrote: anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com said: Does it matter that the ADC in the sound-card is probably clocked by a crystal clock that is 50ppm off and has bad ADEV? You can

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Increasing the beat frequency to find a balance between 1/f noise and f/delta-f amplification may be worth doing and have been seen done to find optimum performance. If you use hard limiters or audio channels to achieve it is however a little detail. The benefit of audio channels is that the

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The 1/F noise vs beat note “amplification” tradeoff is what pushes me up to 10 Hz rather than staying down around 1 Hz with most setups. It’s also a rational offset to achieve at 10 MHz with common OCXO’s. Once you get past about 20 Hz, your OCXO choices diminish. Bob On Oct 12, 2014, at

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bob, I know, and I know you know. Just let others see how things connect up. Still have some 10.000110 MHz OCXOs lying around. Cheers, Magnus On 10/13/2014 02:15 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The 1/F noise vs beat note “amplification” tradeoff is what pushes me up to 10 Hz rather than staying

Re: [time-nuts] Digital Mixing with a BeagleBone Black and D Flip Flop

2014-10-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If odd “almost 10 MHz OCXO’s were more common, you could indeed have a bit more freedom on the offset. DDS is sometimes used. DDS spurs (which can be *very* close in) can be both hard to predict and hard to spot in the data. An OCXO is a much better bet unless you have a lot of time on your