Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Joe, On 11/14/2014 03:56 AM, Joe Leikhim wrote: Looks like a clock to divide by 1000 and generate 59.99 Hz A computer video card or monitor? Some piece of Video gear? You would have 60/1.001 in that case. This is more 60/1.000124 or so. Someone tries to do 60 kHz but is 125 ppm south. A

Re: [time-nuts] My NTGS50AA failed

2014-11-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I have a Bolt that has a similar stuck EFC. In my case it’s not the OCXO either. There is some sort of failure on the inputs to the summing op amp that drives the output to the high end of the DAC’s range. Bob On Nov 13, 2014, at 9:06 PM, EB4APL eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es wrote: Hello

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent GPSDO comments

2014-11-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That OCXO is doing very well. If you look at the plot, it’s doing a few LSB’s on the DAC over the time period. That’s good performance. Bob On Nov 13, 2014, at 9:17 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Bob the actual pictures and files are large so here is the left screen and

[time-nuts] Division Circuit

2014-11-14 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
List,   I’ve digitized and edited an article titled* Circuit DividesFrequency by N+1 by Bert Erickson, Fayetteville, NY from EDN 7/11/2002*.   Essentially, this circuit is expandable and allows for adivision by any number plus one.   Anyone who wants a PDF copy please send me an original

[time-nuts] Lucent GPDSO TTI ps graph and efc is this sick?

2014-11-14 Thread ed briggs
The EFC is probably not sick, it is still in the middle of it's range, and has moved only a small amount. I would let it run for another week and see if it starts to head back down. As I mentioned in a previous post, I had to run my z3816a for several weeks before it settled down. After

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 124, Issue 65

2014-11-14 Thread Ernie Peres via time-nuts
Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Atricle Hello, I have a printout / .pdf file / about this article. Please contact me off lone the I will send as an attached file. Rgds Ernie. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-request time-nuts-requ...@febo.com To: time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It could easily be a switcher in somebody’s video gear. Keeping the power supply in sync with the video may / may not be a good idea. Some people do it that way. Bob On Nov 13, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Doug Ronald d...@dougronald.com wrote: I'm working on my WWVB BPSK receiver and am

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 0b078d42-2bf0-48ae-a6e6-2399ff308...@n1k.org, Bob Camp writes: Hi It could easily be a switcher in somebody’s video gear. Keeping the power supply in sync with the video may / may not be a good idea. Some people do it that way. Vertical retrace in NTSC ? at a frequency of

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent GPDSO TTI ps graph and efc is this sick?

2014-11-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Need to drink my coffee first and type messages second. The Time is doing a “LSB” change of some sort. It’s not sick, there’s either a problem with the string or something like that. The EFC is not moving at an alarming rate based on the plot. Simple things to do: Unplug the software and

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/14/14, 4:28 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The question kind of is: Is it really supposed to be 60kHz and slightly off frequency? Or is it deliberately at that frequency because it's a multiple/submultimple of something useful? It could easily be a switcher in somebody’s video gear.

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread paul swed
OK everyone. I am sorry I left my 60 Khz transmitter on in Boston. Good to see its getting out to California. The antenna is a 90 foot tower. I figured since the d-psk-r's been a long experiment I would just replace wwvb with a constant phase no modulation Cs driven signal. Why fix the problem?

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent GPSDO comments

2014-11-14 Thread paul swed
Thanks everyone. My concern is did I need to reach out and get an exchange before the 30 days is up. I sense ASI the vendor is actually a pretty good company and will do the right thing. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi That OCXO is doing

Re: [time-nuts] Division Circuit

2014-11-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
No need to digitize, the article is available here: http://www.edn.com/design/test-and-measurement/4347165/Circuit-divides-frequency-by-N-1 or here (in .PDF): ftp://ztchs.p.lodz.pl/PRP/PRP_2006_2007/71102di.pdf On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Perry Sandeen via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent GPSDO comments

2014-11-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The people selling them do indeed stand behind the product. My only concern is making sure there really is a problem before something gets swapped out. The best thing (by far) is to get a second unit and compare their outputs. Bob On Nov 14, 2014, at 9:17 AM, paul swed

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-14 Thread xaos
Luciano, I will put this in OrCAD/CADENCE PSPICE over the weekend and see what it looks like. -George On 11/14/2014 02:53 AM, tim...@timeok.it wrote: George, you can replace the input transformer with the mini-circuits model T2-613-1-KK81 or T662-KK81 for under 2 Dollars. The inductors L1

[time-nuts] STEL-1173/CM Source

2014-11-14 Thread Ed Palmer
FYI, I found a source for the PLCC44 version of the STEL-1173 that's used in some Datum FTS Cesium standards. I got mine from here: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-10PCS-STEL-1173-CM-PLCC/2023682701.html I left positive feedback, not sure why it doesn't show. Shipping was very

Re: [time-nuts] Division Circuit

2014-11-14 Thread Tim Shoppa
The ring counter has been re-invented! I'm pretty sure that particular feedback network is in the TTL Cookbook (will have to find my copy). Tim N3QE On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Azelio Boriani azelio.bori...@gmail.com wrote: No need to digitize, the article is available here:

Re: [time-nuts] STEL-1173/CM Source

2014-11-14 Thread Azelio Boriani
Are you sure you are measuring the 4065A against the Tbolt? TBolt feeding the start and 4065A feeding the stop and a counter in time interval mode? On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Ed Palmer ed_pal...@sasktel.net wrote: FYI, I found a source for the PLCC44 version of the STEL-1173 that's used in

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
Whatever the source for that signal, it may explain why all our wwvb clocks have had receiving troubles over the last weeks syncing up here in NV... Sent from my iPad On Nov 14, 2014, at 6:10, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: OK everyone. I am sorry I left my 60 Khz transmitter on in

Re: [time-nuts] Division Circuit

2014-11-14 Thread Tim Shoppa
https://www.google.com/patents/US3109990 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Tim Shoppa tsho...@gmail.com wrote: The ring counter has been re-invented! I'm pretty sure that particular feedback network is in the TTL Cookbook (will have to find my copy). Tim N3QE On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:42

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent GPSDO comments

2014-11-14 Thread Anthony Roby
My unit has been on for just over a week. I captured the data overnight - the PPS TI plot is here https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5tlecUITRBLMVV4NzFTMnlNaDA/. I see a similar PPS TI graph to yours, but my EFC is much different. Trouble is with that, I'm not sure what I'm looking at and

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom/Datum Starloc II

2014-11-14 Thread Paul Davis
Nigel, thanks for the manual. It helped immensely. This unit does run TSIP of course, but with a smaller set of commands/reports than the Thunderbolt. As for the internals, I only got as far as seeing that the GPS module is in fact a UT+ with a Synergy sticker on it and the OCXO has an Efratom

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Max Robinson
You may have to rig up a portable or mobile receiver to track it down. Regards. Max. K 4 O DS. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Woodworking site

Re: [time-nuts] My NTGS50AA failed

2014-11-14 Thread EB4APL
Hi, In my case, if the problem is the op-amp or some passive around, it can be easily replaced. If not the only solution is to find a parts unit to transplant the programmed Xilinx chip. Now I'm quite busy trying to get the schematic of the op-amp zone. Regards, Ignacio El 14/11/2014 a

[time-nuts] Div by any number please

2014-11-14 Thread paul swed
Perry yes that would be handy. I just received the si5351a chips mentioned on time nuts so may play with those shortly. They would seem to take of messy numbers nicely. But that may not be very true in reality. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing

[time-nuts] Ebay KS-24361 may be gone. I emailed ASI to confirm.

2014-11-14 Thread paul swed
Was thinking about another. Regards Paul WB8TSL ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Pete Lancashire
Have you contacted your local FCC office ? It has been about 20 years, but the FCC use to be quite proactive when interference tickets were opened -pete On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Max Robinson m...@maxsmusicplace.com wrote: You may have to rig up a portable or mobile receiver to track

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Bill Hawkins
OK, its a mystery, and will be until its properties are known. We have instrument capable of measuring those properties, but so far we've had the typical exchange of ignorance so often found on the 'net. Clever ignorance, but still not useful. Is Said Jackson the only other person seeing

Re: [time-nuts] Division Circuit

2014-11-14 Thread Don Latham
Thanks. You reminded me of the time when design ideas really had content. No more, I'm afraid... Don Azelio Boriani No need to digitize, the article is available here: http://www.edn.com/design/test-and-measurement/4347165/Circuit-divides-frequency-by-N-1 or here (in .PDF):

Re: [time-nuts] Division Circuit

2014-11-14 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
The premise of higher than normal click speed is false in the article too because the complex NOR gate is slow with that many inputs, and its tpd needs to be added to the Tsu and Tco of the flip flop chains, as well as the pcb propagation delays through the worst case trace.. It would have

[time-nuts] Lucent Unit Differences

2014-11-14 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
List, Wrote [Snip] The chain in the Z3810 / 3811 / 3812 Lucent boxes is *much* different than the setup in the earlier parts. The phase noise and ADEV on the Z3810’s is better than what you got on the earlier versions. That’s good to know. I only have the older style units. It will be

Re: [time-nuts] How to clock a Beaglebone Black from an external reference

2014-11-14 Thread Neil Schroeder
Also, simon the plls can be entirely bypassed. The circuits aren't clearly exposed but I believe you could get the peripheral clock covered and definitely the Ethernet clock - interesting from a 1588 perspective. On Friday, November 14, 2014, Simon Marsh subscripti...@burble.com wrote: Most

Re: [time-nuts] How to clock a Beaglebone Black from an external referenceL

2014-11-14 Thread Neil Schroeder
This is fantastic. If anyone is interested i would be happy to share my design for a couple of PLL/oscillator boards in cape form factor that would feed this perfectly. I've been waffling on my choice of microcontroller but in the spirit of this application I'll likely go with an msp430. On

Re: [time-nuts] Division Circuit

2014-11-14 Thread Tim Shoppa
Yes! I did find a patent that illustrated the exact same feedback circuit as in the EE times article. But most self-decoding ring counters in mass-produced applications use simpler lower propagation-delay gate arrangements to ensure the counter self-corrects any defective sequences. e.g. look at

Re: [time-nuts] How to clock a Beaglebone Black from an external referenceL

2014-11-14 Thread Simon Marsh
I'd certainly be interested, and any suggestions for doing a time-nut suitable 10 to 24mhz step up gratefully received. Cheers Simon On 14/11/2014 18:50, Neil Schroeder wrote: This is fantastic. If anyone is interested i would be happy to share my design for a couple of PLL/oscillator

Re: [time-nuts] Division Circuit

2014-11-14 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: The Twisted Johnson Ring Counter may be the one your looking for. The individual stages are not clocked at the input frequency, but rather something like N/5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_counter#Four-bit_ring_counter_sequences It's decodes using 2-input gates. The last one I made used

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Doug Ronald
Thanks to all who responded with suggestions and comments. Here is the latest... At great effort, I moved the loop-stick antenna and preamp, now mounted on a pole, from the rear of the house to a midpoint of the house toward the front. The old position had the antenna about 10 feet off the

Re: [time-nuts] Division Circuit

2014-11-14 Thread Alan Melia
Isn't the 10i/p gate to do the divide by N+1?? not just to avoid an all zeros switch on which does not need all 10 stages fed back if all you want is an N stage ring counter?? Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: Tim Shoppa tsho...@gmail.com To: Said Jackson saidj...@aol.com;

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread paul swed
Doug Great absolutely the fact that small of move made that much of a difference and that you can not null it does say nearfield. Seems very nearfield. You can prove that, cut the feed lines. Hmmm maybe not. I used the analog approach using mc 1496 chips and also the analog devices. Was not crazy

[time-nuts] Division Circuit

2014-11-14 Thread Mark Sims
Ouch! some circuits just sound too painful to think about... ;-) --- The Twisted Johnson Ring Counter... ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent GPSDO comments

2014-11-14 Thread paul swed
Anthony Had a chance to compare my image with yours and the blue behaviors the same as far as peak to peak goes. Yours however has far fewer jumps then mine. You EFC has various jumps but is fairly constant while mine as Bob and others have said is baking in. I am feeling better about my Lucent.

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Chuck Harris
I'm pretty sure that there is nothing the in the neighbor's satellite receiver that is allowed to interfere with licensed services, such as WWVB. More usually, they contain a label, that says they must not cause any interference, and must suffer all interference. Reduce your loop to something

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Doug: Can you power your WWVB receiver from batteries and shut down your house AC? That way it's not something inside your house. http://www.prc68.com/I/Loop.shtml Mail_Attachment -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke, N6GCE http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html

Re: [time-nuts] strange carrier

2014-11-14 Thread Max Robinson
You might be able to notch it out with a Q multiplier. Regards. Max. K 4 O DS. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Woodworking site