Re: [time-nuts] Missing GPS satellites

2010-03-25 Thread Steve Rooke
I'm at 43S, 172E and the minimum number of birds I'm seeing in the middle of the days is 4 with a maximum of 12 each night. No sign of a let up here, guano all over the place :) Steve Rooke On 26/03/2010, Raj vu2...@gmail.com wrote: Rob, I am 13N 77E approx. Bob, I checked everytime

Re: [time-nuts] What time is it anyway?

2010-03-28 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] What time is it anyway?

2010-03-28 Thread Steve Rooke
On 28 March 2010 22:56, Rex r...@sonic.net wrote: Just curious where you got those percentage numbers? A quick check says they are in the ball park, but wondering where you got them. Wikipedia is your friend. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man

Re: [time-nuts] What time is it anyway?

2010-03-28 Thread Steve Rooke
body on Earth rotation and celestial reference frames. Just what standardisation on legal time this holds with countries outside France is unknown as they don't seem to cite references outside their own organisation. Perhaps it was a rhetorical question. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one

Re: [time-nuts] What time is it anyway?

2010-03-28 Thread Steve Rooke
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Chris Cheney wrote: I think that is the BIPM (http://www.bipm.org/en/home/) in association with the IERS (http://hpiers.obspm.fr/) Peter On 28 March 2010 10:29, Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com wrote: What puzzles me is who is the keeper of legal time

Re: [time-nuts] What time is it anyway?

2010-03-28 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] What time is it anyway?

2010-03-29 Thread Steve Rooke
kinds of material. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one

Re: [time-nuts] Making a HP 10811 better

2010-03-30 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] What time is it anyway?

2010-03-30 Thread Steve Rooke
-system Thanks for that Tom. /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one

Re: [time-nuts] What time is it anyway?

2010-03-30 Thread Steve Rooke
Magnus, Excellent links, as always, many thanks. Much to digest. Clock comparison looks an interesting area. Steve On 30 March 2010 13:12, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Steve Rooke wrote: So there are 250 clocks, presumably, spread around the World and owned

[time-nuts] Symmetricom 5115A Phase Noise Allen Deviation Test Set on ePay

2010-04-06 Thread Steve Rooke
Time to check under the lounge suite cushions for that spare change :) 230458691424 -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom 5115A Phase Noise Allen Deviation TestSet on ePay

2010-04-07 Thread Steve Rooke
there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom 5115A Phase Noise Allen Deviation TestSet on ePay

2010-04-07 Thread Steve Rooke
on the outside of the box. I don't find this unusual at all. Please pay by Western Union wire transfer. You can trust me for sure Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rooke Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 4

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricom 5115

2010-04-08 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] repairing Maser threads

2010-04-14 Thread Steve Rooke
there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating Oscillator Noise: DifficultiesSimulatingFlicker FM Noise

2010-04-25 Thread Steve Rooke
think of :) Cheers, Steve Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating Oscillator Noise: DifficultiesSimulatingFlicker FM Noise

2010-04-25 Thread Steve Rooke
-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure

Re: [time-nuts] [OT] degaussing

2010-04-25 Thread Steve Rooke
/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https

Re: [time-nuts] Dual Mixer

2010-05-12 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] Tracor 895A on eBay

2010-05-16 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject)

2010-05-23 Thread Steve Rooke
/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject)

2010-05-23 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject)

2010-05-23 Thread Steve Rooke
there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject)

2010-05-23 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject)

2010-05-23 Thread Steve Rooke
Takes foot out of mouth!!! On 24 May 2010 14:08, Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com wrote: There really is no mystery in any of this. There are two types of equipment, a Data Terminal Equipment, DTE, and a Data Communications Equipment, DCE. A DTE refers to the end controlling terminal

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject)

2010-05-23 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject)

2010-05-24 Thread Steve Rooke
list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject)

2010-05-24 Thread Steve Rooke
-422. Bob - Original Message - From: Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject) On 24 May 2010 15:22, Robert Benward

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject)

2010-05-24 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject)

2010-05-24 Thread Steve Rooke
-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject)

2010-05-24 Thread Steve Rooke
into the same outlet and the RS-232 signaling levels are sufficient to overcome the common mode noise. Bob - Original Message - From: Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:40 AM Subject

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-05-24 Thread Steve Rooke
the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-05-24 Thread Steve Rooke
close if not the same as for the GT80. So far I have only tried a couple of the simple commands, not wanting to screw things up in my Z3805A. Steve Steve Rooke wrote: Bob, On 24 May 2010 03:40, Robert Benward rbenw...@verizon.net wrote: Hi All, Does anyone have a manual for this Z3805A

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 utility, Was: AW: (no subject)

2010-05-25 Thread Steve Rooke
the actual pin numbers are instead of just Tx and Rx as it should be a DTE and Tx should be the pin that has the higer volts on it, Rx would be near to 0V. Cheers, Steve Bob - Original Message - From: Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement

Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method

2010-05-26 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Rooke
, as the data you initially loaded in on temperature performance, aging, and G sensitivity departs from reality. I'm very interested in this area, do you know of any sources of studies on this topic? Thanks, Steve Bob -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man

Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Rooke
Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rooke Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:51 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method On 25 May 2010 04:48, WarrenS warrensjmail

Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Rooke
Scott, On 28 May 2010 02:52, Scott Newell new...@cei.net wrote: At 09:44 AM 5/27/2010, Steve Rooke wrote: Well, I've tried it from a Windows 7 install here and still cannot get it up using Firefox or IE so it must be some sort of regional blocking. Windows troubleshooter under IE could

Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Rooke
like the whole set of pages is worth reading anyway). I've just discovered that if I use Tor it works fine. Perhaps it does not like New Zealand :( Steve     Dave -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure

Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method

2010-05-28 Thread Steve Rooke
On 28 May 2010 07:42, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: Steve Rooke wrote: On 28 May 2010 04:40, David Martindaledave.martind...@gmail.com  wrote: Hmm.  From here in Vancouver Canada, the name resolves to the same address, pings fail, and the given URL gets me the web page

Re: [time-nuts] PLL Tester performance

2010-05-28 Thread Steve Rooke
and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin

Re: [time-nuts] Digital tight PLL method

2010-05-28 Thread Steve Rooke
here, the last time I checked it a second was running about 50%'ish slow but no one here cares :) Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure. ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

2010-05-28 Thread Steve Rooke
On 28 May 2010 19:07, mike cook mike.c...@orange.fr wrote: This I think http://www.allanstime.com/Publications/DWA/Science_Timekeeping/TheScienceOfTimekeeping.pdf Thanks for the link Mike. Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks

Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

2010-05-28 Thread Steve Rooke
control. Thanks, Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

2010-05-29 Thread Steve Rooke
is particularly interesting, http://www.ieee-uffc.org/frequency_control/teaching.asp. Thanks, Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] OG3 DEKATRON

2010-05-30 Thread Steve Rooke
information I can find you anywhere. Also thanks for the heads up on the Dekatron.. Cheers, Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts

[time-nuts] Flood of low end priced VNAs on FleeBay

2010-06-02 Thread Steve Rooke
Just noticed there is a flood of lower end priced ($5k $5k) VNAs on FleeBay just in case anyone is looking for one. No need to thank me, just buy me one as well :) Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock knows what time it is; A man with two clocks is never quite sure

Re: [time-nuts] Notes on tight-PLL performance versus TSC 5120A

2010-06-02 Thread Steve Rooke
On 2 June 2010 22:51, John Miles jmi...@pop.net wrote: For those following this strange and wonderful saga: http://www.ke5fx.com/tpll.htm Heath Robinson would be proud :) Very interesting write up John, thanks. 73, Steve -- john, KE5FX -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD A man with one clock

Re: [time-nuts] A philosophy of science view on the tight pll discussion

2010-06-03 Thread Steve Rooke
www.ulrich-bangert.de Ortholzer Weg 1 27243 Gross Ippener ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV

Re: [time-nuts] Notes on tight-PLL performance versus TSC 5120A

2010-06-03 Thread Steve Rooke
and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather's D. O. program

2010-06-04 Thread Steve Rooke
/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https

Re: [time-nuts] Notes on tight-PLL performance versus TSC 5120A

2010-06-04 Thread Steve Rooke
/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https

Re: [time-nuts] Notes on tight-PLL performance versus TSC 5120A

2010-06-04 Thread Steve Rooke
the effects of noise for the result. Why do you feel there is a need for signal processing anyway? Come back Tomorrow for the next thrilling instalment of how do you teach an old dog new tricks :) Best regards, Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything

Re: [time-nuts] A philosophy of science view on the tight pll discussion

2010-06-04 Thread Steve Rooke
, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 June 2010 07:11, Didier Juges did...@cox.net wrote: WarrenS warrensjmail-...@yahoo.com wrote: Ulrich posted a bunch of logic stuff, some of which I did not understand. but  I do think he missed the main point

[time-nuts] Tight-PLL - YOU DON'T NEED TO READ IT IF YOUR FED-UP WITH THE THREAD SO HIT DELETE NOW!

2010-06-04 Thread Steve Rooke
is used a verb and not a noun, therefore it is an intrinsic function of the design not a separate process. Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] Tight-PLL - YOU DON'T NEED TO READ IT IF YOUR FED-UP WITH THE THREAD SO HIT DELETE NOW!

2010-06-05 Thread Steve Rooke
data if one is to measure ADEV. This process is exactly replicated by oversampling the EFC and determining the average for a fixed time period. If you can't see that this performs exactly the same function, I don't know what will convince you. Steve Bruce Steve Rooke wrote: I think I have

Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD System

2010-06-05 Thread Steve Rooke
-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi

Re: [time-nuts] Tight-PLL - YOU DON'T NEED TO READ IT IF YOUR FED-UP WITH THE THREAD SO HIT DELETE NOW!

2010-06-05 Thread Steve Rooke
On 5 June 2010 22:06, Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 June 2010 19:07, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: Wrong again. No, I'm not wrong Bruce. The integration/averaging referred to occurs when one counts the output transitions of the VFC for a fixed time interval

Re: [time-nuts] A philosophy of science view on the tight pll discussion

2010-06-05 Thread Steve Rooke
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] A philosophy of science view on the tight pll discussion

2010-06-05 Thread Steve Rooke
that for destruction ice Is also great And would suffice. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV

Re: [time-nuts] Tight-PLL - YOU DON'T NEED TO READ IT IF YOUR FED-UP WITH THE THREAD SO HIT DELETE NOW!

2010-06-06 Thread Steve Rooke
On 6 June 2010 10:21, Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: Steve Rooke wrote: On 5 June 2010 19:07, Bruce Griffithsbruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz  wrote: Wrong again. No, I'm not wrong Bruce. Your contribution is largely irrelevant to the original discussion. The effect

Re: [time-nuts] Comments on Tbolt deal?

2010-06-06 Thread Steve Rooke
.     -Arthur ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only

Re: [time-nuts] Tight PLL method. Is it good enough?

2010-06-06 Thread Steve Rooke
to implement and quite possibly produce more accurate results. Steve ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke

Re: [time-nuts] Comments on Tbolt deal?

2010-06-06 Thread Steve Rooke
://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Comments on Tbolt deal?

2010-06-07 Thread Steve Rooke
Hi Bob, On 7 June 2010 23:51, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi It's also amazing that the laser marking systems seem to get worse and worse at marking parts legibly That's the modern definition of progress. Steve Bob On Jun 6, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Steve Rooke wrote: Arthur, On 7

Re: [time-nuts] A philosophy of science view on the tight pll discussion

2010-06-07 Thread Steve Rooke
: On 06/05/2010 01:19 PM, Steve Rooke wrote: So, at best, it's an estimate. Yes. How good it is, how fast you get it, how much you pay for it and how much effort it is to get and operate is the issue. Getting accurate measurements is hard to prove actually. Getting sufficiently good

Re: [time-nuts] Notes on tight-PLL performance versus TSC 5120A

2010-06-07 Thread Steve Rooke
___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen

Re: [time-nuts] TPLL secret reveled

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Rooke
Luck. ws ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so

Re: [time-nuts] TPLL secret reveled

2010-06-10 Thread Steve Rooke
that this is not the case even though some would seemingly cling to the idea that it is. 73 de Steve - ZL3TUV G8KVD BillWB6BNQ -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] TPLL secret reveled

2010-06-10 Thread Steve Rooke
degraded into this mess in the first place. Another case of communication being the biggest barrier to communication. Best regards, Steve Best regards Ulrich Bangert -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein

Re: [time-nuts] TPLL secret reveled

2010-06-11 Thread Steve Rooke
into society. The subject of mental illness is nothing to be used for humour, thank you very much. Best regards, Steve Best regards Ulrich Bangert -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von Steve Rooke Gesendet

Re: [time-nuts] UTC and leap seconds

2010-06-11 Thread Steve Rooke
___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein

Re: [time-nuts] UTC and leap seconds

2010-06-11 Thread Steve Rooke
. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen

Re: [time-nuts] UTC and leap seconds

2010-06-11 Thread Steve Rooke
and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-06-11 Thread Steve Rooke
a Milliren 260 series 5MHz DOCXO (with excellent specs) on a daughter board made by Symmetricom. That Millren 260 series DOCXO is used in the Z3805A units too. Any idea how they compare to the E1938A or 10811? Thanks, Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A

2010-06-11 Thread Steve Rooke
some 260's for short term stability. Bob On Jun 11, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: On 11 June 2010 07:24, Murray Greenman murray.green...@rakon.com wrote: If you have one of the earlier Z3815A units, you will find the superb HP E1938A 10MHz reference oscillator inside

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-13 Thread Steve Rooke
the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-13 Thread Steve Rooke
list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-13 Thread Steve Rooke
___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-14 Thread Steve Rooke
Thanks Magnus! On 14 June 2010 20:45, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Steve, On 06/14/2010 04:49 AM, Steve Rooke wrote: On 14 June 2010 10:46, Magnus Danielsonmag...@rubidium.dyndns.org  wrote: Still puts it in the mid-tau range as a method. The useful range

Re: [time-nuts] GPS External (mag-mount) antenna with a bazillion dB gain.....

2010-06-18 Thread Steve Rooke
there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-06-19 Thread Steve Rooke
there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread Steve Rooke
and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2010-06-20 Thread Steve Rooke
that is the cause of destroying your expensive OCXO's. Cheers, Steve Bob  - Original Message -  From: Steve Rooke  To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement  Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 1:03 AM  Subject: Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)  Well, if your not prepared to open

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-20 Thread Steve Rooke
gods know. He has something you don't have, he has a $10 gadgit that produces results that are easily good enough for many on this list. So it looks like your the looser here! Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
detectors and mixers.  You might get there by dividing down a bunch of numbers but I don't think the method supports the claim (of fs timing). Let's kill the fs thing please! Steve Bob - Original Message -  From: Steve Rooke  To: Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
, Steve -Chuck Harris ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
for sure. The infinite + 1st test could be the exception that disproves the conjecture. Surely that is impossible! Cheers, Steve -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages Disadvantages of the TPLL Method

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages.. CAN THIS STOP PLEASE

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the  instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV  G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at  once. -  Einstein ___ time-nuts  mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Advantages.. CAN THIS STOP PLEASE

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Rooke
as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. R. Bacon So that's why Warren's mind is so quiet :) 73 Steve Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com -- Steve Rooke

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Rooke
To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Rooke
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Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Rooke
. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Rooke
I could use it as the reference oscillator for a TPLL. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-23 Thread Steve Rooke
-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rooke Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL On 23 June 2010 04:36, Robert Benward rbenw...@verizon.net wrote

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-23 Thread Steve Rooke
and hide from the onslaught. In any case, I'm staying away from this thread from now on, it's going nowhere. Well, that's a shame, but it's your call. Best regards, Steve Regards, Bob  - Original Message -  From: Steve Rooke  To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-24 Thread Steve Rooke
Dick, On 24 June 2010 11:26, Dick Moore rich...@hughes.net wrote: @ Steve Rooke --  Warren and I have had correspondence in the past about other things, and I was very interested in his TPLL implementation. Someone in the thread had asked Warren if he would supply a schematic diagram of his

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