On 23 June 2010 04:36, Robert Benward <rbenw...@verizon.net> wrote: > So now we, those that want a little more than faith, are nuts. Some day > when you learn how to speak to people with respect, you too may get some > respect of your own.
You have subscribed to a Yahoo group called time-nuts so I guess you have already thought of yourself as a nut > Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not know the difference. > Never wrestle with a pig, you will only get dirty, and the pig likes it. Perhaps your right. Steve > Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "WarrenS" <warrensjmail-...@yahoo.com> > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" > <time-nuts@febo.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators & TPLL > > >> Thanks Don >> >> For all the nuts that want the analysis with math and fancy papers on how >> (or why) the TPLL works. >> They will find the whole thing on one line on page 4-21 of that paper. >> (page 110) >> That's about it and all that is needed, if one also understands how to do >> integration by oversampling or by VtoF. >> http://www.am1.us/Papers/U11625%20VIG-TUTORIAL.PDF >> >> >> Another place to find the same thing is on ALLAN's site. >> Sorry neither have the long and unreadable fancy papers like some have >> posted or wanted >> but >> Not a whole lot needs to be said about something so simple. >> That is really all there is to it, if one starts with Frequency >> differences, like the TPLL, and not Phase, like most other methods, to get >> the raw data to use with an ADEV program like "PLOTTER". >> Note there is no extra S/W processing OR H/W processing or secret anything >> needed to be able to do that, because JUST THE BASIC TPLL Block does it all >> already. >> http://www.allanstime.com/AllanVariance/ >> >> Under >> " Brief Explanation >> Allan variance equation: >> >> >> BTW >> All those fancy, long and unreadable (by me) papers, are mostly just >> trying to get a good close approximation of the above because they start >> with phase and not Freq. >> The TPLL does not need no approximate anything to get there, IT is already >> there and gives that EXACT thing over the total Tau range, for ANY Osc noise >> type and as far as I've seen the ONLY method that does. >> The TPLL method is limited by its OXCO controlled (reference) Oscillator >> plus the noise of its two main parts, that can be made way below ANY OCXO >> noise level. >> >> woops, sorry, I guess some wanted this to remain a "SECRET". >> So don't blame me this time, Don and ALLAN are the ones that posted it >> and/or said it. >> If others want more, It is about time they did something beside complain >> about me and what I know or did or did not do. >> >> ws >> >> *********************. >> >> [time-nuts] crystal oscillators >> Don Latham djl at montana.com >> Mon Jun 21 23:46:04 UTC 2010 >> >> >> I just found this while noodling around. Looks very good, probably known >> to most of you. >> Don >> http://www.am1.us/Papers/U11625%20VIG-TUTORIAL.PDF >> >> may have to remove the %20? >> >> -- >> "Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are >> as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind." >> R. Bacon >> >> >> Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL >> Six Mile Systems LLP >> 17850 Six Mile Road >> POB 134 >> Huson, MT, 59846 >> VOX 406-626-4304 >> www.lightningforensics.com >> www.sixmilesystems.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > -- Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. - Einstein _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.