Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-15 Thread Steve Rooke
I just thought if we all jumped up and down on Everest we could squash it down into the ground and speed the world back up again. In that way we could get it back in sync with real time, I mean atomic time. Or maybe use any of the spare NASA rocket boosters securely attached to the earth and

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-15 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 13:54, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 3209.12.6.201.213.1310686158.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. For ster writes: If you got all the Chinese to just stand on a chair, it would increase the Moment of Inertia of the earth a smitch, and it

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-15 Thread Hal Murray
p...@phk.freebsd.dk said: 2. It really does not change the momentum that much: m(pop,china) = 1.5e9 * 50kg = 7.5e10 kg m(earth) = 5.97e24 kg A ratio of roughly 8e13... Neat. Thanks. I think you missed another big factor. The height of a chair is tiny relative to the

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-15 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab/iPad)
1E14 we might be able to notice Hal, No. Look at the adev of the earth (earlier posting). The length of earth day varies in the *milli*second range, day to day. VLBI measurements are under 0.1 millisecond, which comes to about 1e-9 resolution. Realize that none of the NASA earthquake may

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-15 Thread Hal Murray
t...@leapsecond.com said: No. Look at the adev of the earth (earlier posting). The length of earth day varies in the *milli*second range, day to day. VLBI measurements are under 0.1 millisecond, which comes to about 1e-9 resolution. Realize that none of the NASA earthquake may have shortened

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/14/11 10:54 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message3209.12.6.201.213.1310686158.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. For ster writes: If you got all the Chinese to just stand on a chair, it would increase the Moment of Inertia of the earth a smitch, and it would slow the rotation because of

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/15/11 12:10 AM, Hal Murray wrote: Does anybody have a good graph for summer vs winter? I'd expect snow loading might be big enough to show up. This is the kind of thing that Richard Gross at JPL fools with. As I recall, atmospheric drag changes on a cyclical basis too. And

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/15/11 12:48 AM, Tom Van Baak (lab/iPad) wrote: 1E14 we might be able to notice Hal, No. Look at the adev of the earth (earlier posting). The length of earth day varies in the *milli*second range, day to day. VLBI measurements are under 0.1 millisecond, which comes to about 1e-9

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4e203b6e.8090...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: On 7/14/11 10:54 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I think to do this kind of thing on a detectable scale with manmade cause, we'll need to resort to some serious terraforming (bwahaha.. project plowshare, here I come) You could probably

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-15 Thread Chuck Harris
Given the monosex culture the Chinese population has set itself upon, just spread a rumor that there are abundant single women in the Himalayas that are looking for dates. -Chuck Harris Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message4e203b6e.8090...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: On 7/14/11 10:54 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread J. Forster
So? That statement clearly imlies the Earth's period was shortened aganst some standard. If the Earth was the standard, how could it be shortened with respect to itself? It can't be. Time standards are atomic now. -John === Calculations indicate that by changing the

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Steve Rooke
Maybe we will end up taking away leap-seconds soon. Just a random thought given the amount of seismic activity currently going on in the world. Steve (Quakecity, New Zealand) On 15 July 2011 01:40, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: So? That statement clearly imlies the Earth's period was

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Rob Kimberley
measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis So? That statement clearly imlies the Earth's period was shortened aganst some standard. If the Earth was the standard, how could it be shortened with respect to itself? It can't be. Time standards

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Steve Rooke
...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: 14 July 2011 2:41 PM To: xfor...@citynet.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis So? That statement clearly imlies the Earth's period was shortened aganst

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Rob Kimberley
: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis On 15 July 2011 02:08, Rob Kimberley r...@timing-consultants.com wrote: However, atomic time and earth time effectively drift apart, and that is why periodically we have leap seconds to bring the two closer together again. So we

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/14/11 6:40 AM, J. Forster wrote: So? That statement clearly imlies the Earth's period was shortened aganst some standard. If the Earth was the standard, how could it be shortened with respect to itself? It can't be. Time standards are atomic now. -John You've raised an interesting

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread David VanHorn
So what is the Allan deviation of the earth spinning? :) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 29c8a27967ae5343be5ad7a887c9bd1a188db17...@esi-sbs08.esi.lan, Davi d VanHorn writes: So what is the Allan deviation of the earth spinning? :) I calculated allan/mod-allan on the Bulletin A data some years back, it's not exactly pretty. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab/iPad)
So what is the Allan deviation of the earth spinning? :) http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/earth/ /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Steve Rooke
Anyone got a big file so we can cut those Himalayas down, I'm sure they are creating a lot of drag :) Steve On 15 July 2011 04:01, Tom Van Baak (lab/iPad) t...@leapsecond.com wrote: So what is the Allan deviation of the earth spinning?  :) http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/earth/ /tvb

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Tom Holmes
: Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis So what is the Allan deviation of the earth spinning? :) http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/earth/ /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread David VanHorn
time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis So what is the Allan deviation of the earth spinning? :) http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/earth/ /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 14/07/11 18:12, Steve Rooke wrote: Anyone got a big file so we can cut those Himalayas down, I'm sure they are creating a lot of drag :) Take your Dremel and a few spare bits and cut it loose. :) Moving that mass closer into the core would cause some spin-up. Still, the other effects

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Steve Rooke
On 15 July 2011 07:38, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 14/07/11 18:12, Steve Rooke wrote: Anyone got a big file so we can cut those Himalayas down, I'm sure they are creating a lot of drag :) Take your Dremel and a few spare bits and cut it loose. :) Moving that mass

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Rex
On 7/14/2011 2:02 PM, Steve Rooke wrote: Well, if everyonel climbed Everest and we all jumped up and down together, perhaps we could achieve that :) Cheers, Steve I can't resist moving this off-topic thread by a giant leap. I have a 1969 R. Crumb comic book starring Fritz the Cat. In one

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread J. Forster
Why do you need them to jump at all? If you got all the Chinese to just stand on a chair, it would increase the Moment of Inertia of the earth a smitch, and it would slow the rotation because of the Conservation of Angular Momentum. -John === On 7/14/2011 2:02 PM, Steve Rooke

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 3209.12.6.201.213.1310686158.squir...@popaccts.quikus.com, J. For ster writes: If you got all the Chinese to just stand on a chair, it would increase the Moment of Inertia of the earth a smitch, and it would slow the rotation because of the Conservation of Angular Momentum. 1. It's

[time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-13 Thread Will Matney
Calculations indicate that by changing the distribution of Earth's mass, the Japanese earthquake should have caused Earth to rotate a bit faster, shortening the length of the day by about 1.8 microseconds. http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/japanquake/earth20110314.html Will