Re:[tips] Freud and intellectuals

2010-10-14 Thread Allen Esterson
Chris Green wrote: I'm sure Koehler (trained as a physicist under Max Planck) [Thanks for that nugget, Chris!] had his legitimate doubts about psychoanalysis. One should keep in mind, also, the ongoing intellectual rivalry between Berlin and Vienna at work here. As I'm sure Chris will agree,

Re:[tips] Freud and intellectuals

2010-10-14 Thread Allen Esterson
Joan Warmbold wrote: … And you did have a book in your hands as I noted on amazon a published critique of Freud--_Seduction Mirage: A Exploration of the Work of Sigmund Freud_, a book I certainly plan on purchasing. I should forewarn you of a blunder I made in regard to one of Freud's lesser

Re: [tips] Freud and intellectuals

2010-10-13 Thread sblack
Joan Warmbold asks: Has there ever been a non-psychologist scholar who has challenged Freud's theories? Allen E. replied: As is implied in Joan's question, there have been many eminent psychologists who have challenged psychoanalysis from its inception As for non-psychologists, let's

Re: [tips] Freud and intellectuals

2010-10-13 Thread Allen Esterson
://www.esterson.org Re: [tips] Freud and intellectuals sblack Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:20:05 -0700 Joan Warmbold asks: Has there ever been a non-psychologist scholar who has challenged Freud's theories? Allen E. replied: As is implied in Joan's question

Re: [tips] Freud and intellectuals

2010-10-13 Thread Joan Warmbold
Sorry Allen as I had made the incorrect assumption that you are a psychologist. How lucky are we that you participate on TIPS. And you did have a book in your hands as I noted on amazon a published critique of Freud--_Seduction Mirage: A Exploration of the Work of Sigmund Freud_, a book I

Re: [tips] Freud and intellectuals

2010-10-13 Thread Christopher D. Green
Allen Esterson wrote: An addition to Stephen's list of quotes: Wolfgang Köhler, gestalt psychologist and ethologist: I now turn to psychoanalysis, the source of more, and of darker, smog than any other doctrine has produced. (Quoted in Percival Bailey, *Sigmund the Unserene: A Tragedy in

Re: [tips] Freud and intellectuals

2010-10-12 Thread Michael Smith
I suppose it could be put down to belief perseverance and confirmation bias. Just as UFO enthusiasts interpret contrary evidence to fit their preconceptions, I imagine Freud believers do the same. Personal intelligence and critical thinking are often of little help when it comes to assessment (or

Re: [tips] Freud and intellectuals

2010-10-12 Thread Joan Warmbold
I've noted this phenomena also Allen and my hypothesis has been that it was the esoteric, complex and inaccessible nature of Freud's theories that appealed to intellectuals. Ironically, I suspect that intellectuals are more easily seduced by the style of his presentation--i.e., degree of

Re: [tips] Freud and intellectuals

2010-10-12 Thread Christopher D. Green
Joan Warmbold wrote: Has there ever been a non-psychologist scholar who has challenged Freud's theories? Well, there's Allen. :-) Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 chri...@yorku.ca

Re: [tips] Freud and intellectuals

2010-10-12 Thread Annette Taylor
Ah! Our good friend Allen is indeed a non-psychologist scholar! Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Allen is a mathematician by training and trade. How little we know about each other. I'm trying to meet tipsters when I travel and had coffee with Allen in London a few summers ago. BTW I