ShieldsFamily wrote:
Oh,
DaveHdont go!!! Thered be nothing left of me but whiskers!!! Izzy
DAVEH:
You'd still have your cheshire smile, Izzy! G>
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Izzy wrote:
Oh, DaveHdont go!!! Thered be nothing left of me but whiskers!!! Izzy
Dean writes:
DaveH -Please Go-Hurry and leave-Don't leave mad just leave. We
will find something else to talk about :-)
DAVEH: Aww schucks, Dean. I detect a hint of brotherly love
there...
DAVEH: Do you think hopeless guys like me should not be admitted
to TT? Or, are you OK with folks who think differently posting regularly?
Terry wrote:
Heaven forbid! You need a good influence in
your life, and Dean and I would get very bored very soon with no
one but Izzy to pick on.
Terry
Dean Moore wrote:
>
> John 13:35
> By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love
one
> to another.
Dean writes:
That's brotherly love mentioned in this verse-in case you haven't
noticed
DaveH- isn't no brother-
DAVEH: HmmWell, Dean..I may
have to take back
Hi Reuben,
When I first met you and Dean (Carroll) in SLC during the 2001 conference
time, I was somewhat favorably impressed, since at that time you were not into
this gross stuff of waving underclothing around. You seemed to have a
favorable attitude toward living righteously, morally etc.
David Miller wrote:
DAVEH wrote:
> I have repeatedly pointed to vs 29 to show that the practice
> of some early Christians baptizing for the dead implies they
> believed baptism was necessary for salvation. Does that not
> strike you as a valid evidence of my contention that is a
> necessity
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveM, I do not think the official doctrine of the LDS church
is against polygamy...in the DC the Mormon god says that any man who
does not practice polygamy is damned...and the mormon god never revoked
that command. They do not practice polygamy (at least mopst
David Miller wrote:
Perry wrote:
DaveM, I do not think the official doctrine of the
LDS church is against polygamy...
Interesting observations, Perry. Maybe Blaine or DaveH can comment on
this. I had understood that polygamy was grounds for excommunication.
DAVEH: That is correct.
DC 76:30-39,
DC 132:26-27
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:51:44 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine, can I get a scripture reference from you on your statement
"blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is to shed innocent blood after having
received a perfect
DaveM,
You are correct--very correct--on this point. A former Bishop informed
me excommunication is sure to happen nowadays if you actually practice
plural marriage and refuse to give it up. This is true for men and for
women alike. However, I am equally certain the church still believes
Reuben,
Please see my post regards my street meeting with you and carroll, and the
impressions I had regarding your lack of understanding of LDS Church
workings and doctrines. You guys are so totally ignorant!!I felt like we were in two different universes.
I wanted to help you two get with
This is fast turning into a 'pat each
otheron the back' list - Tell me, where in all of scripture do you find love defined as'warm fuzzies'
orwhere do you find a ministry of'rebuking?' - both speak volumes about where you are at.You might
want to spend more time studying God's Word to
FYI,
that's just another mormon computer trouble trick they play when
the heat gets too uncomfortable around here! :-) (Next DaveH will say his computer is on the fritz!!! DaveH,
where are your friend when you really need them?) Izzy
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DAVEH:
Thanx for the invitation Ruben, but I'm not much for blood sports. I go
to the games to watch the cheerleaders :-)
Careful, DaveHI think thats
what led poor JS into those polygamy
Brother Dean:
A man I used to go on visitation with years ago gave me some excellent advice. He said, "You have to expect lost people to act like lost people".
I now offer that advice to you. Don't see them as refusing to do what they need to do, or what you want them to do.
Just
Ruben, Yes I do believe in the Bible more
than warm and fuzzy Girl Scout campfire songs. J Izzy
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From:
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Sent: Tuesday,
December 16, 2003 12:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Ruben wrote:
WHAT??? Wait just one minute here.I thought this was
a Christian board?
No, it is not. A lot of Christians here, which is not surprising
because Jesus Christ is Truth, but the board itself welcomes all
religions and those who hold to no religion.
Dean writes:
Is it
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Dean writes:
Is
it me or does it seem strange that a Christian can run a board that is
non-
Christian. To be non-Christian is to be non-Godly-are we here in the
room
non-Godly ( put your hands down Mormons-I wasn't only talking to
you)?Could
Christ run a
Dean,
DaveH does not qualify as a false teacher because to be
a false teacher
he would have had to have known the truth at one time,
Jude calls them
"doubly dead" which means they would have to have been
born again and
thenturned away from
the truth to apostasy and fables.
We don't
Blaine wrote:
I am sealed to two women, but live with and civilly married
to one only. The church recognizes both sealings, but if I
were to try to live with them both at the same time, in this
life, I would be exed...
Very interesting, Blaine. So it seems that Perry also was right
This is fast turning into a 'pat each
otheron the back' list -
Ruben:
Judy do not worry I am slow to patting
people on the back, even literally (1Ti.5:22).
Tell me, where in all of scripture do
you find love defined as'warm fuzzies' orwhere do you find a
JUDY SAYS: Scripture says "they will know we
are Christians by our love" So where's the love? We may need to ask ourselves
which Kingdom we represent.
2 Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that
needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
JN 13:34-35
This is fast
turning into a 'pat each otheron the back' list -
Ruben:
Judy do not worry I am slow to patting
people on the back, even literally (1Ti.5:22).
jt: I wasn't referring
to the ministry of 'laying on of hands' Ruben, that's another
issue
entirely.
Tell
Judy, I appreciate you taking time to balance some of the Scriptures
that Kevin shared with you. Nevertheless, I hope you keep in mind that
what you shared BALANCES and does not NEGATE what Kevin shared.
Two points I would like to make quickly.
1. Kevin is a church leader. He has organized
From: "David Miller" Judy wrote: Tell me, where in all of
scripture do you find love defined as 'warm fuzzies'
That's what they asked you. The implication from some of your
writingsis that if there are not attendant warm fuzzies, if the message does
notsooth and tickle the ears, then
Dean Moore wrote:
Ruben wrote:
WHAT??? Wait just one minute here.I thought this was
a Christian board?
No, it is not. A lot of Christians here, which is not surprising
because Jesus Christ is Truth, but the board itself welcomes all
religions and those who hold to no religion.
DAVEH: Dean..Despite your new found sense
of humor, your below comments make you sound a bit paranoid!
Dean writes 12/16: I then will make three (#4 is free) points;
DaveH is trying to comvert-He has tried with
me-He has even gone as far as inviting me to a Mormon Church (which I
ShieldsFamily wrote:
FYI,
that's just another mormon computer trouble trick they play when the
heat gets too uncomfortable around here! :-) (Next DaveH will sayhis
computer is on the fritz!!!
DAVEH:
FWIW Iz..it is. I'm scheduled to get another one sometime after
the beginning of the
DaveH,
I recall that we have touched on this topic in the distant past, but my present comment was to indicate that you won't touch it today, not in the past. I have asked more than one LDS member about this in the past, and none have ever had a reasonable rebuttal.Perry
From: Dave <[EMAIL
Judy wrote:
You don't see Paul rebuking ppl in Athens do you?
Yes we do.
Act 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men
of Athens, I perceive that IN ALL THINGS YE ARE TOO SUPERSTITIOUS.
Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an
altar with
May I ask another few?
Assuming the answer is 'yes', how do you believe God called you to witness to
the folks in SLC?
Ruben:
Well DAVEH Ive been preaching in public
for almost 25 years. Born a
raised a Catholic and right out of high school became a Christian (sorry
From: "David Miller"
Judy wrote: You don't see Paul rebuking ppl in Athens do you?
Yes we do.
jt: Let me say up front that I would consider this more
along the lines of
loving persuasion than 'outright rebuke' V.30 "And the
times of this ignorance
God winked at" but now.is a whole lot
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:48:29 -0500 "Dean
Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Do you or do you not believe that the
Holy Spirit has lead brothers likeRuben and others to Salt Lake City to
preach to those Satan has deceived?
The Spirit allows a Bush, un'deceived'(?), to
light a national
From: "David Miller"
Judy wrote: You don't see Paul rebuking ppl in Athens do you?
Yes we do. snip
jt: I would call Acts 23:3 a rebuke "Then said Paul
unto him "God shall
smite thee, thou whited wall; for sittest thou to judge
me after the law, and
commandest me to be smitten contrary to
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:04:32 -0700
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WENT TO A PARTY, MOM *
please read all the way to the bottom and sign your name *
I went to a party, And remembered what you
said. You told me not to drink, Mom So I had a sprite
instead. I felt proud
(3)
Allbelievers are called to spread the Gospel.
True. We are all called to be witnesses, but not all are
called to preach.
(4) When pressed DaveH has always gotten other to
DAVEH: My latest comments are in
GREEN... Judy Taylor wrote:
DAVEH: Like I said before,
I'm trying to figure out why Protestants believe as they do. I sometimes
repetitively ask questions that may seem frustrating to you because the
answers I often times receive don't really
Hi Terry!!
That makes me feel good that you are interesting in helping poor
DaveH, he needs help s bad!! I probably do also. Glad to
see your wife never gave up on you. She must be a gem. Hang in
there, and maybe DaveH and myself will someday see the light!! LOL
BlaineRB
On Tue, 16
Hi again Reuben,
Now that I have given you the true lowdown regards my meeting with you and
the impressions I received then, maybe we can get to know one another on other
levels thanyou attacking Mormonism. (You do seemmore than a
little obsessed with doing so.)(:)
I read yourdiscussion
From: Blaine R Borrowman Hi Terry!!
That makes me feel good that you are interesting in helping poor
DaveH, he needs help s bad!! I probably do also. Glad to
see your wife never gave up on you. She must be a gem. Hang in
there, and maybe DaveH and myself will someday see the light!!
Blaine, do you feel the same way about Paul when he was giving his credentials?
From: Blaine R Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:33:42 -0700
Hi again Reuben,
Now that I
ROFL!!! I just knew it! Perhaps you have mormon computers??? LOL Izzy
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Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003
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ShieldsFamily
Oh, Perry, youre going to make his
computer go down faster than he planned! Izzy
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From:
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Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003
8:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the
Terry, can you tell us how your wife prevailed with you?
(She probably just dazzled you with her beauty!) Izzy
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I had a lot of people give up on me too.
Thank God my wife hung in there.
Terry
So, Blaine, where might we
have seen you, other than on the wall at the post office? J Now we get the mormon
sour grapes routine. Hey, I thought your computer was dead! LOL! Izzy
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Did you ever think maybe you do what you
do because you are
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Subject: FW: Little Ears
When my twin daughters were young, I taught them to say this prayer
before going to bed. As I listened outside their door, I could hear them
say, Give us this steak and daily bread, and forgive us our
mattresses. My husband and I always
Ruben, Be sure to let us know when we can see the documentary.
(I doubt it will be complimentary, knowing the liberal media!) Izzy
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BlaineRB writes: Hi again Reuben,
Now
that I have given you the true lowdown regards my meeting with you and the
impressions I received then, maybe we can get to know one another on other
levels thanyou attacking Mormonism. (You do seemmore than a
little obsessed with
jt
writes:
I wasn't referring to the ministry of
'laying on of hands' Ruben, that's another issue
entirely.
The OT Prophets did this
and John was the last and greatest of them. However, the Church is under a New
Covenant and has been given the ministry of reconciliation.
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Sent: 12/16/2003 10:43:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:48:29 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Do you or do you not
Nairobi Journal: Is Polygamy Confusing, or Just a Matter of Family
Values?December 16, 2003By MARC
LACEYNAIROBI, Kenya, Dec. 15 - When President Mwai Kibaki
ofKenya arrived at the White House recently for a statevisit, his wife,
Lucy Kibaki, was at his side, resplendentin a flowing gown.
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From: Dave
To: TruthTalk
Sent: 12/16/2003 9:50:26 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Paranoia
DAVEH: Dean..Despite your new found sense of humor, your below comments make you sound a bit paranoid!
Dean writes:
But no denial to whatI said- huh? How many women did
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Sent: 12/15/2003 9:45:11 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 Dead part of gospel?
Terry, thus saith the Lord (via Izzy the Cat): Go forth and preach, Brother! J
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As to SLC. I
Izzy writes:
Ruben, Be sure to let us know when we can see the
documentary. (I doubt it will be complimentary, knowing the liberal media!)
Izzy
Ruben:
Sure, they (HBO) was going to follow me
around for one year and started filming with Mardi Gras in New Orleans where
And perhaps you should refresh yourself with the following passage:
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not
altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or
extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the
world.
Omigosh! Is TT ready for TWO of us??? Wheres my
catnip? Iz
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Dean writes:
And Izzy-He has whiskers also:-)
Sorry, g; Im already taken. And I think DaveH
is taken at least once (that we know of). J It would be great, however, to meet him at the
Marriage Supper of the Lamb! Izzy
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Makes me really begin to wonder how many Mrs. Daveywakis
there are out there! J Why
is he so silent on this issue??? Iz
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5:57 PM
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Hi Judy,
I have been impressed with your thoughts, always expressed with a grain of
charity.
SEX? Well, I can't recall where they said anything about it in
the Bible.If they talked about it at all, they talked around
it, not about it, as usual, huh?. (:)I am afraid you have fallen
into
Hi Charles,
Actually, I don't recallPaul listing his credentials, at
least not in reference to theworldly people/institutions ofhis
day. I have noticed whenever someone does something really, really
bad, they become instant celebrities. Case in point, Monica
Lewinski.Another case in point,
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12/16/2003 9:31:16 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave
Omigosh! Is TT ready for TWO of us??? Wheres my catnip? Iz
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Dean writes:
And Izzy-He has whiskers also:-)
Dean
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 Dead part of gospel?
Terry, can you tell us how your wife prevailed with you? (She probably just dazzled you with her beauty!) Izzy
Terry, can you tell us how your wife prevailed with you? (She probably just dazzled you with her beauty!) Izzy
Izzy: I will try to make a long story short. Both of us were lost when we met. Neither of us were trying to please God or each other. We were both selfish, and that caused a lot
SICK SICK SICK! Repent, you filthy minded Mormon. I thought Dave H wasscrewed up, but next to you he almost seems sensible.
Terry
Hi Judy,
I have been impressed with your thoughts, always expressed with a grain of charity.
SEX? Well, I can't recall where they said anything about it in
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:49:07 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
So,
Blaine, where might
we have seen you, other than on the wall at the post office?
JNow we get the mormon sour
grapes routine.
**I
am afraid that's about it, Izzy, the post office walls
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:16:01 -0800 "irebukeu" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
BlaineRB writes: Hi again Reuben,
Now that I have given you the true lowdown regards my
meeting with you and the impressions I received then, maybe we can get to
know one another on
Izyou suggesting
thatthepractice of polygamy is rooted in polytheism?
...is the bride of Christ (via NT
baptism:)unified/as one, or polygamous/numerous unique 'females' in NT
thought?
..or, fromthe NT saints
perspective--if'we'aren't (baptized) one body (i.e., also thought of asthe
DAVEH: If you are talking about me, Izzy..I'm
buried and too little time to respond to everything. It is all I
can do to get 6 hours sleep at night, and often times less than that.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Makes
me really begin to wonder how many Mrs. Daveywakis there are out there!J
Why is
Dean Moore wrote:
> And perhaps you should refresh yourself with the
following passage:
>
> "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Yet not
> altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous,
or
> extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye
ShieldsFamily wrote:
ROFL!!!
I justknew it! Perhaps
you have mormon computers??? LOL Izzy
DAVEH:
Yep.that's a fact. They seemingly run forever with little coaxing,
even when ill. And they tirelessly battle heavy handed foes-and
though a bit crusty around the edges due to others
How does the Love everybody, "FEEL GOOD" religion.
Answer these questions?
Is the golden rule do not alienate?
How do you alienate from God,a Devil worshipper?
If a man beats his wife kids. Would you tell him go home kiss make up?
Do you tell the wife forgive him?
How many beatings do you
So Mormons teach Christian virtue?
So Dave you want to be excepted as a Christian?
If I accept you as a christian will you accept me as a Mormon in good standing?
I don't get it you guys really really want to be considered christians.
But on the other hand you attack christianity.
That does not
Blaine you claim Ruben should have a very good understanding of mormonism before he even attempts to go preach to them.
Do you hold this standard also for the 60,000 LDS missionaries that go door to door?
They surely hit JW doors, Christian, Muslim, etc.
Should they master these?
How can they
So Blaine what do you think of Men sealed to Men in the temple?
Brigham Young was sealed to a number of MEN. One of them for instance was, John D Lee.
Do you think the relationship was Platonic?Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SICK SICK SICK! Repent, you filthy minded Mormon. I thought
BlaineRB: Do you have any children,
Terry?
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:01:35 -0600 (Central Standard Time) "Terry Clifton"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
SICK SICK SICK! Repent, you filthy minded Mormon. I thought
Dave H wasscrewed up, but next to you he almost seems
Hi Perry,
Since I thought you would be satisfied with the Mormon scriptures, I
neglected to answer this post and the question you posed. In the light of
the revealed word of God to modern man, I think I would have to say in regards
to the scripture you referred me to (Mark 3:22-29) that the
Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
THE BIBLE DOCTRINE OF SEPARATION DEMANDS THAT WE NOT ASSOCIATE WITH EVILDOERS
Dean Moore writes:
Finely someone else that understands-Brother Kevin what lead you to this relelation-Was it a loud voice as thunder-was it a vision from God Himself- was there
Ruben wrote: Then we arrive at Salt Lake city in
the same fashion,where we exhort those that have perverted God, teaching
that he was oncelike us.or we will be gods..HOW PERVERTED.
Blaine: I think this is purely a judgement call
on Ruben's part. There are many good scriptures showing God
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