Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 Dead part of gospel?

2003-12-17 Thread Dave
DAVEH: Forgive me for jumping into this discussion, Kevin. I don't have a lot of time, but just wanted you to know that I am sealed to my son, and do not find it a problem. Furthermore, I'm sealed to my father (as well as mother, and my daughter). When I get to heaven, I expect being sealed to

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons teach christian virtue?

2003-12-17 Thread Dave
Kevin Deegan wrote: So Mormons teach Christian virtue?So Dave you want to be excepted as a Christian? DAVEH: No thank you..I don't want to be "excepted" from Christianity. I do like being accepted as a Christian though. I just don't care to be "excepted" (which seemingly infers to be ex'd

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Dave
DAVEH: My latest comments are in RED irebukeu wrote: May I ask another few? Assuming the answer is 'yes', how do you believe God called you to witness to the folks in SLC? Well DAVEH I’ve been preaching in public for almost 25 years.Born a raised a Catholic and right out of high

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Dave
Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, I recall that we have touched on this topic in the distant past, DAVEH: I don't recall such..but frankly, I've been inundated by so many posts, I've had to shelve hundreds of them due to lack of time to respond. And.this past summer was really a

[TruthTalk] Baptism 4 Dead part of gospel?

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
Hi Blaine, you write: I have been impressed with your thoughts, always expressed with a grain of charity. SEX? Well, I can't recall where they said anything about it in the Bible. Judy: You don't remember the Saducees asking Jesus about what would happen if seven men (brothers) all

[TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave/Blaine

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Blaine R Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ruben wrote: Then we arrive at Salt Lake city in the same fashion,where we exhort those that have perverted God, teaching that he was oncelike us.or we will be gods..HOW PERVERTED. Blaine: I think this is purely a judgement call on Ruben's

[TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE BIBLE DOCTRINE OF SEPARATION DEMANDS THAT WE NOT ASSOCIATE WITH EVILDOERS Dean Moore writes: Finely someone else that understands-Brother Kevin what lead you to this relelation-Was it a loud voice as thunder-was it a vision from God Himself- was

RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 Dead part of gospel?

2003-12-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thanks so much for sharing your story with us. Isnt it neat; you were trapping lobsters while your wife was trapping you? The Lord works in mysterious ways. How wonderful He is!!! And what a pleasure to know you, Terry! Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Blaine R Borrowman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/16/2003 11:06:48 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:16:01 -0800 "irebukeu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BlaineRB writes: Hi again Reuben, Now that I have given

RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism

2003-12-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
LOL!!! No, my computer has had an exorcism! Now it is not only functional, but gives glory to Jesus Christ, Lord of Lords, King of Kings! Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:38 PM To:

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormons teach christian virtue?

2003-12-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sodomites want to be accepted as normal alsobut they still want their perversion. (They just want their perversion to be accepted.) Aint gonna happen here, DaveH. Izzy -Original Message- DAVEH: I do like being accepted as a Christian though.

Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 Dead part of gospel?

2003-12-17 Thread Terry Clifton
Blaine: I was not talking about your comment concerning sex within marriage. I always have been and continue to be an avid proponent and participant of that very practice. I was referring to your looking at your God and creator as just a man. Wake up! Some day soon you will

[TruthTalk] Will we be gods?

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
The Mormons on TT are probably aware that Joseph Smith was heavily into Freemasonry among other things and this is where the lie originates because Freemasonry today represents the ancient mystery religions - In his book Morals and Dogma of Freemasonry authorAlbert Pikewrites that the

[TruthTalk] FEEL GOOD RELIGION

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] How does the Love everybody, "FEEL GOOD" religion Answer these questions? Good Morning Kevin, I'm not into "feel good" or "feel bad" religion either for that matter, but I'll gladlyanswer your questions Is the golden rule do not alienate? No the

Re: [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
DAVEH: OK, Dean..if not my remarks, what does make you so angry (sounding)? Dean writes 12/17 In all honesty DaveH-When I see the brethren interacting with you as one of their own-without any caution for the spirit that drives you-this angers me. The Bible is clear 1 John 3:8 He that

[TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: OK, Dean..if not my remarks, what does make you so angry (sounding)? Dean writes 12/17 In all honesty DaveH-When I see the brethren interacting with you as one of their own-without any caution for the spirit that drives

Re: [TruthTalk] Will we be gods?

2003-12-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
The scripture says we shall be LIKE him. It does not say we shall be equal to him! That is what Mormonism teaches. There was another fellow that taught this too. His name is SATAN. Gen 3:5 "ye shall be AS gods" Why was it that after SATAN said "I will be like the Most High" Isaiah 14:14 God

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave/Blaine

2003-12-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
So how about the many good scriptures showing that SATAN wants you to "be as gods"? Do those count? gen 3:5, Is 14:14 Will you enter in to the same punishment as him?Blaine R Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ruben wrote: Then we arrive at Salt Lake city in the same fashion,where we exhort

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 Dead part of gospel?

2003-12-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Was it a ceremony, in the Temple?A Temple sealing to a man? I thought they stopped those years ago. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Forgive me for jumping into this discussion, Kevin. I don't have a lot of time, but just wanted you to know that I am sealed to my son, and do not find it a

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 Dead part of gospel?

2003-12-17 Thread Dave
Kevin Deegan wrote: Was it a ceremony, in the Temple? DAVEH: Yes.it was in the Temple. (I assume you are asking me this question about my comment below.) A Temple sealing to a man? DAVEH: To my father, and to my son. I thought they stopped those years ago. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[TruthTalk] Mormons teach christian virtue?

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: I do like being accepted as a Christian though. ShieldsFamily wrote: Sodomites want to be accepted as “normal” also—but they still want their perversion. (They just want their perversion to be accepted.) Ain’t gonna happen here, DaveH. Izzy DAVEH:

Re: [TruthTalk] Paranoia

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Dave To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/17/2003 12:13:07 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Paranoia DAVEH: My latest post is in RED... Dean Moore wrote: DAVEH: Dean..Despite your new found sense of humor, your below comments make you sound a bit

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormons teach christian virtue?

2003-12-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
DaveH, Would you quote the scriptural basis that you are using for Christian tolerance? Nowhere does the Word imply that we should tolerate sin or blasphemy. I personally am not uncomfortable with having you on TT. I just wont get comfortable with satans lies. And I, personally, wont

RE: [TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/17/2003 5:58:28 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke? From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE BIBLE DOCTRINE OF SEPARATION DEMANDS THAT WE NOT ASSOCIATE WITH EVILDOERS Dean Moore writes: Finely someone else that

[TruthTalk] Target Stores ..... FYI

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
Subject: TARGET supports who...? By Dick Forrey of the Vietnam Veterans Association Recently we asked the local TARGET store to be a proud sponsor of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall during our spring recognition

RE: [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/17/2003 8:32:53 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: OK, Dean..if not my remarks, what does make you so angry (sounding)? Dean writes 12/17 In all honesty

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormons teach christian virtue?

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/17/2003 10:58:56 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mormons teach christian virtue? DaveH, Would you quote the scriptural basis that you are using for “Christian tolerance”? Nowhere does the Word imply that we

Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE BIBLE DOCTRINE OF SEPARATION DEMANDS THAT WE NOT ASSOCIATE WITH EVILDOERS Dean Moore writes: Finely someone else that understands-Brother Kevin what lead you to this relelation-Was it a loud voice as thunder-was it a vision from God

[TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: OK, Dean..if not my remarks, what does make you so angry (sounding)? Dean writes 12/17 In all honesty DaveH-When I see the brethren interacting with you as one of their own-without any caution for

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Is it yes or no? Is Polygamy in effect or not? If it is an everlasting doctrine then it must be in effect, right? DC 132:4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to

Re: Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Judy: How can you care for them and show them the love of Christ without walking in love toward them? Faith cometh by hearing How shall they hear except they preach? What is your answer? Seems like you have a better answer "lifestyle" evangelism? How about "friendship" evangelism? Go ye into

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons teach christian virtue?

2003-12-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Christian are not "gods in Embryo" Fact is I am not LDS you are not Christian I am Christian you are LDS Things that are different are not the same And boy do we have differences. The real question is why do LDS go around hiding the differences? Instead of just being falsely accepted as a

[TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy: How can you care for them and show them the love of Christ without walking in love toward them? Faith cometh by hearing How shall they hear except they preach? What is your answer? Judy: I know that faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of

Re: **Possible_Spam** [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Terry Clifton
# Then why does Terry say he has learned much from DaveH? Brother Dean: You have either been misled or misunderstood something I wrote,'cause you are going off half cocked. I have never claimed to have learned anything from DaveH, at least

[TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy: Who was itrequesting songs from the Mormon virgins outside the temple in Salt Lake City? They could have asked questions couldn't they. Also when the Missionaries come around they are young and as someone said 'wet behind the ears' Why not

RE: Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
Dean writes12/17 : Judy who is this verse speaking too? Hint. One another, My disciples-Could it be talking to the brethren? Judy: Yes Dean, it's talking tobrethren, disciples of Jesus, his friends. Dean writes: % 12/17 part 2 % Yet you use it to describe out interaction with those we

RE: [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: If the average christian were walking in the Spirit and doing the works of Jesus, ppl would be drawn to them as they were to him.   You mean like they were drawn to him in the following situation? From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then

RE: Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-17 Thread David Miller
Dean wrote: I am Commanded to love a believer in Christ - not those of the world nor wordily things- Brother Dean, you know we think alike in many ways. Here is a passage for you to chew on. It contrasts the attitude of the OT age of law with the NT age of grace. I hope it speaks to your

Re: **Possible_Spam** [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/17/2003 2:29:49 PM Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave # Then why does Terry say he has learned much from DaveH? Brother Dean: You have either been misled or misunderstood

Re: **Possible_Spam** [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Terry Clifton
- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton

[TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy wrote: If the average christian were walking in the Spirit and doing the works of Jesus, ppl would be drawn to them as they were to him.You mean like they were drawn to him in the following situation? From that time many of his disciples went

RE: Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your

Re: **Possible_Spam** [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
I was not aware that I was suggesting anything. Sorry to have offended you. Terry Dean writes; You have not offended me, Terry-but I believe the Bible makes warnings for a reason-these reasons seem to be ignored here. Last summer I had a young lesbian teenager come up to me curse me with

[TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean writes12/17 : Judy who is this verse speaking too? Hint. One another, My disciples-Could it be talking to the brethren? Judy: Yes Dean, it's talking tobrethren, disciples of Jesus, his friends. Dean writes: % 12/17 part 2 %Yet you use it to

RE: [TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
Judy: Yes Dean I know what rebuke is and to whom much is given much is required (from God) this is why the Church is the one supposed to shape us and the Church should receivethe rebukes spoken of in scripture, they are God's covenant ppl now, before it was Israel. Dean writes: @ Rebuke is

RE: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/15/2003 11:06:53 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave Ruben wrote: So when you write, The official doctrine of the LDS church is against polygamy I can only say. well now. But was

RE: [TruthTalk] The False Teacher

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/16/2003 7:31:29 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] The False Teacher Dean, DaveH does not qualify as a false teacher because to be a false teacher he would have had to have known the truth at one time, Jude calls them

RE: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/16/2003 7:55:33 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave -Original Message-Dean writes: Is it me or does it seem strange that a Christian can run a board that is non- Christian. To be

Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] The False Teacher

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
I wrote: DaveH does not qualify as a false teacher because to be a false teacher he would have had to have known the truth at one time, Jude calls them "doubly dead" which means they would have to have been born again and thenturned away from the truth to apostasy and fables. We don't

RE: [TruthTalk] Target Stores ..... FYI

2003-12-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
This is completely false. It is not loving to circulate slanderous stories prior to checking them out. See www.snopes.com/politics/military/target.asp. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday,

RE: [TruthTalk] Mormons teach christian virtue?

2003-12-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh, Dean, I can hear the mormons guffawing at that from here! NO WAY, Brother!!! ROFL!!! Izzy (who hisses at mormons who get too in my face!) -Original Message- Dean writes: It works the other way also-a piece of them will sink into you.

RE: **Possible_Spam** [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
Brother Dean, I understand your concerns for certain folks on TT who seem to be casual about their conversations with the mormons. However, most of us have a longer history here than you do, and so we know each other better than you yet know us. Most TTers are quite mature in their

RE: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread ShieldsFamily
Dean, I will let DaveH vouch for himself how much luck I have wished him. LOL! Izzy -Original Message- The wish of good luck had nothing to do with luck(True we Christian-who do not believe in luck) but it had to do with wishing them well in their evil works. For we will give

Re: [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Mt 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Jn 15;8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. It

Re: [TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
I ask again how long have you been saved and how many people have you led to the Lord?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy: How can you care for them and show them the love of Christ without walking in love toward them? Faith cometh by hearing How shall they hear

Re: [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Kevin Deegan
Judy: Probably so and this is really sad. If the average christian were walking in the Spirit and doing the works of Jesus, ppl would be drawn to them as they were to him. Jesus went to the sinners. BUT sinners come (drawn) to you. you have it backwards. The apostles traveled the world looking

Re: [TruthTalk] Target Stores ..... FYI

2003-12-17 Thread Dave
DAVEH: This is a net hoax, Judy http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/target.asp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TARGET STORES vs VETERANS -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email

Re: Fw: RE: [TruthTalk] Love or Rebuke?

2003-12-17 Thread ttxpress
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:47:00 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Dean, et. al., The perfection JC speaks of hereis rooted in 'loving one's enemies' (too)--not merely/only in loving one's 'brethren'

[TruthTalk] Target Stores ..... FYI

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is completely false. It is not loving to circulate slanderous stories prior to checking them out. See www.snopes.com/politics/military/target.asp. Izzy I agree to being remiss and I stand corrected; this came to me from a good friend and

[TruthTalk] Target Stores ..... FYI

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: This is a net hoax, Judy http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/target.asp Thank you for letting me know about this DaveH. Actually I'm a bit relieved since this store just built a huge new Target Warehouse not far from where we live; it's a relief to

Re: [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin: I never let a Mormon missionary pass me by, without a longdialog. I have talked to hundreds if not thousands of LDS missionaries.I always end with a SHARP Rebuke for them since they subvertwhole houses. SHAME on them! SHAME on you MORMONS! DAVEH: I'm sad you feel

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons teach christian virtue?

2003-12-17 Thread Dave
DAVEH: My latest post is in RED. Kevin Deegan wrote: Christian are not "gods in Embryo"Fact is I am not LDS you are not ChristianI am Christian you are LDSThings that are different are not the sameAnd boy do we have differences. DAVEH: Just how do you define "Christian"? We've discussed

Re: [TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread Dave
DAVEH: My latest comments are in RED. Dean: Yet you are allowed to continue on-even smilingat me asking "Are you getting angry Dean :-) And Judysaid that I should love you also.Judy: Judy didn't say this Dean. Jesus commands it.# You are a liar Judy-Jesus never commanded me to

[TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-17 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy: Probably so and this is really sad. If the average christian were walking in the Spirit and doing the works of Jesus, ppl would be drawn to them as they were to him. Jesus went to the sinners. BUT sinners come (drawn) to you. you have it

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons teach christian virtue?

2003-12-17 Thread Dave
DAVEH: My latest post is in RED... ShieldsFamily wrote: DaveH, Would you quote the scriptural basis that you are using for “Christian tolerance”? DAVEH: Huh?!?!?! Who said I was quoting Scripture? I was just expressing my opinion based on what I've observed in TT. Understating

Re: [TruthTalk] Paranoia

2003-12-17 Thread Dave
DAVEH: My latest post is in GREEN... Dean Moore wrote: Dean Moore wrote: DAVEH: Dean..Despite your new found sense of humor, your below comments make you sound a bit paranoid!Dean writes:But no denial to what I said- huh? How many women did you say you claimed as wives Daveh? DAVEH: I