In a message dated 5/5/2004 7:32:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John S. wrote:
... you are admitting that there is nothing out
there that verifies his associations, credentials,
and evangelistic successes - right?
No, I am not admitting that. You can go look for them
In a message dated 5/5/2004 7:38:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe you should turn TT into a "Men's Room" and invite Daniel back? Izzy
P Lzzz.
PERRY,
I LIKE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR. DID YOU NOTE THAT JOHNNIE BUTTERBALL STARTED THE WHOLE THING BY SAYING, WITH UNMITIGATED GAUL, THAT I "DISPISED (SIC) MILLER, AND TREATS HIM LIKE A STEP-MOM..."? DID YOU NOTE THAT SMITHSON, THUS, PROVOKED THE WHOLE FIGHT?
THOSE ARE "FIGHTING WORDS", AND I
John writes:I
personally believe that if gossip and lies are not
eventually dealt with, they become "fact" as a result
of the "where there is smoke there must be fire" clause in the Manual of
Personal Assault and Character Assassination. Since this kind of
attack is provided for on TT, I
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, Lance brings up a very good
point. Tradition. A tough subject. Why do we not
support baptism for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38), foot washing, head
coverings and the like while enforcing repentance
for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38),
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Elsman
wrote:JUST TO SETTLE THE RECORD CLARIFY MY RELATIONSHIP WITH HOLY
HUBERT:
DavidM: Thanks for sharing about Hubert! That was very
interesting. I learned some details that I did not know about you and
Hubert. Thank you for taking time to share it
John S. wrote:
I have no problem admitting I am wrong about this
guy, but I really need something that is reliable
and verifiable.
Are you admitting that you spoke about Hubert based upon something you
read on the internet, not based upon your personal experience with him?
I thought maybe
Hi Brother George, thank you for your response,
You write:
The Lord God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
living soul. (Genesis 2:7)
Therefore, manbecame aliving being(soul) and it is the
breath of life (spirit)that
John S. wrote:
Why do we not support baptism for
the remission of sins (Acts 2:38),
I support this.
John S. wrote:
foot washing,
I support this.
John S. wrote:
head coverings and the like
I support this.
John S. wrote:
while enforcing repentance for the remission of
sins (Acts
\o/ !HALALU Yah!
\o/
Greetings in the Matchless Name of
YahShua !!
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily
Sent: 05/02/2004 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] This is Mrs. Chris
Barr - I call him Tirshatha
I am sure you have
written these words from your own heart, but
Since I have said I wont discuss
this further, I guess you know you are pretty safe. (I bet you are really
curious, though!) Blessings, Chris. Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barr
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 4:09
AM
To: [EMAIL
- Original Message -
Subject: Fw: Fw: True Story
Greetings from Tennessee. All is well here. I thought you would enjoy
this incident which just happened when we had our last snow of the
season. We only received one inch but other places received more. God may
or may not have sent
Chris, I will tell you that I have three
different friends who know you very well. That makes it not gossip. Izzy
A single witness
shall not rise up against a man on account of any iniquity or any sin which he
has committed; on the evidence of two
or three witnesses a matter shall be
In a message dated 5/5/2004 3:20:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some homework maybe for Lance: Hubert told me that he published a
memory course back in the 1930's, but I have never been able to find it.
I would be very interested in it if you have a way to locate it.
In a message dated 5/5/2004 3:01:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DavidM: Thanks for sharing about Hubert! That was very interesting. I learned some details that I did not know about you and Hubert. Thank you for taking time to share it with all of us.
jt: When and where
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated
5/5/2004 3:20:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some homework maybe for Lance: Hubert told me that he published a
memory course back in the 1930's, but I have never been able to find it.
I would be very interested in
In a message dated 5/4/2004 11:37:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: I don't care to hear the voice of the accuser constantly and strife isn't good - so thanks for sharing your side of the story John; you don't stand or fall before us but it does help to (as you say) clear
A negative editorial about a positive conclusion...
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0503-11.htm
--
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
~~~
If you wish to receive
things I find interesting,
I maintain Five email lists...
JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,
In a message dated 5/5/2004 12:20:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are you admitting that you spoke about Hubert based upon something you
read on the internet, not based upon your personal experience with him?
I thought maybe you knew Hubert in your past. Please clarify.
I got this from a website Dave; there was some other
stuff that didn't seem to accurate but this is the first
I've read of his "memory system" The website was
that of another Street Preacher by the name of Metzger
Grace and Peace, judyt
This restoration discussion group -- what is the address? The one below has something wrong with it. Could someone help.
John
In a message dated 5/5/2004 12:21:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Brother George, thank you for your response,
You write:
Greetings Ken:
Jim,
This is not the first time you have printed all of this stuff about John,
we have seen it before, and quite frankly it is old stuff. Why not lay it
aside so we can move on?
Perry the Moderator
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
DavidM - was this intended to help in a discussion regarding tradition how to place it outside the expressed will of God because it didn't.
In a message dated 5/5/2004 12:35:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John S. wrote:
Why do we not support baptism for
the
Jim, yes, I saw that. I am trying not to become the TT gestapo, believing
that adulsts either will not make such comments, or will be able to resolve
these issues themselves, but you are very challenging in that regard. I have
let you slide with more ad-hominem talk than JS has ever said on
I knew I was tired and should have been in bed
:)
Did I do it again and send this message to George at
the wrong list?
I wondered why it didn't show up on CC.
To subscribe you have to go to Yahoo Lists sign in and
go from there.
Maybe you can help me understand more what this
"Restoration
DAVEH: Thanx Judy..I find that very interesting. It apparently
took Hubert a lot of effort to memorize.it wasn't just a natural
talent. To memorize the NT in a half year must have required a lot of
time spent repeating this procedure. I'll be curious to hear if Elsman
learned any more
Do any of you come from this tradition? (last
chapter of the book of Mark) Lance
John, May I ask why? Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:14
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
[ChristianChatter] When Did We Exist?
In a message dated
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do any of
you come from this tradition? (last chapter of the book of Mark) Lance
jt: The promise in the last chapter of Mark is repeated
in Luke 10:19.
We can the promise fullfilled in the ministry
ofthe apostle Paul in Acts 28:2-6.
Surely you do not take
Was there supposed to be an attachment?
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:09
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Appalachian snake handlers??
Do any of you come from this tradition?
In a message dated 5/5/2004 10:31:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Thanx Judy..I find that very interesting. It apparently took Hubert a lot of effort to memorize.it wasn't just a natural talent. To memorize the NT in a half year must have required a lot of
In a message dated 5/5/2004 10:05:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jim, yes, I saw that. I am trying not to become the TT gestapo, believing
that adulsts either will not make such comments, or will be able to resolve
these issues themselves, but you are very challenging
Anyone who is interested in hearing Holy Hubert for
free can find some
messages at:
http://www.tvbn.com/index.html?http://www.tvbn.com/Frame/
I've been listening to them this morning and my head is
spinning.
His delivery is like that of an auctioneer. Major
information overload and I
can't
In a message dated 5/5/2004 10:05:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 5/4/2004 11:37:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: I don't care to hear the voice of the accuser constantly and strife isn't good - so thanks for sharing your side
Jim, as I would say to my kids following a decision they did not relish, I
am not running a popularity contest, I am being a parent!. It is impossible
to catch every word that might offend, to please everyone, to be exactly
consistent on every post. Much of this is due to my own biases and
Judy wrote:
Anyone who is interested in hearing Holy Hubert for
free can find some messages at:
http://www.tvbn.com/index.html?http://www.tvbn.com/Frame/
Hi Judy. Thanks for the link.
What really caught my eye was the link to the movie trailer about Leroy
Jenkins about twelve items below
Lance Muir wrote:
Do any of you come from this
tradition? (last chapter of the book of Mark) Lance
--
I handle snakes on a regular basis for fun and profit, but never to
prove my faith.
Terry
Well, at least the job pays well, right Perry? Izzy
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ELSMAN HOLDS- IN PERSONAL AD-HOMINEM OPINION
Terry, So how do you profit from handling
snakes? (I used to have a boss who I thought was a snake. Turns out that
was her Chinese Zodiac sign. Almost made me believe in the Chinese
Zodiac.) Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent:
PS David I thing that movie must be an old one. You just don't see Robert
Wagner, Faye Dunaway and Jill St. John in movies anymore, my friend. :-)
Izzy
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:37 AM
To:
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Terry, So
how do you profit from handling
snakes? (I used to have a boss who I thought was a snake. Turns out
that
was her Chinese Zodiac sign. Almost made me believe in the Chinese
Zodiac.) Izzy
This area has
been blessed with an
Terry, you've sure had an interesting life (from my
perspective anyway)
As for that man's reaction to the headless snake - it
is a "spirit of fear" that causes a reaction like that
He didn't have to think about it.
judyt.
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This area has been blessed
Funny story, Terry! I guess that
snakes nature was in its whole body; not just its head.
Okay heres a story for you. My Uncle Mitch Mitchel
in Durant, (pronounced down there Doo-Rant), Oklahoma was a big coon
hunter in his younger, healthier days. He was as big and fat as a coon
hunter
Judy Taylor wrote:
Terry, you've sure had an interesting life
(from my perspective anyway)
As for that man's reaction to the headless
snake - it is a "spirit of fear" that causes a reaction like that
He didn't have to think about it. judyt.
Hi David,
I would be interested in hearing more of the
story. I don't know much about Jenkins;
when we lived in Virginia Beach a friend used to tell
me about him and ask me if
I had heard of him. She gave me a newspaper
clipping telling of his being sent to
prison for I believe it was
Terry wrote:
I had up to then always figured that instinct
was related to brain activity, but this snake
was a mile from his brain and still functioned
as he was programmed to do. Somebody 'splain
that to me.
Hi Terry.
My formal graduate level education is actually with snakes. My
In a message dated 5/5/2004 8:10:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do any of you come from this tradition? (last chapter of the book of Mark) Lance
For me, the answer is no. In fact, I am not aware of any church locally provide for such a practice -- and Fresno is kind of a
In a message dated 5/5/2004 9:03:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John, May I ask why? Izzy
Well, for one thing, Restoration theology is the result of a collection of hermeneutical principles that are shared and held in common. Now that is not to say that it is always
In a message dated 5/5/2004 9:24:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
J0HN AND I SHARE THE CHALLENGE OF MIDDLE-AGE:
THAT IS WHEN YOUR NARROW-WAIST AND BROAD-MIND EXCHANGE PLACES!!!
True.
JD
In a message dated 5/5/2004 9:37:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
FRANKLY, DAVID MILLER IS MY CLOSE FRIEND.
Of course he is and everyone on this list has seen the respect and love you have for the man. It kind of brings a tear to my eye. I'll be back in a few. I have to go
In a message dated 5/5/2004 5:59:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 5/5/2004 9:37:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
FRANKLY, DAVID MILLER IS MY CLOSE FRIEND.
Of course he is and everyone on this list has seen the respect and love
In a message dated 5/5/2004 10:37:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy wrote:
Anyone who is interested in hearing Holy Hubert for
free can find some messages at:
http://www.tvbn.com/index.html?http://www.tvbn.com/Frame/
Judy - I threw the baby out with the warsh water
Made my day Terry.
John
In a message dated 5/5/2004 1:09:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This area has been blessed with an abundance of reptiles in all shapes and sizes. Since I am a gunsmith, all the hunters know where I am. Since most hunters are also fishermen, and
In a message dated 5/5/2004 1:25:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
P.S. Id sure like to have a pair of your rattlesnake boots when Elsman makes me a Country-Western star on his radio station! J
- Ha. I don't know -- just had to say it.
J
In a message dated 5/5/2004 1:43:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No question about my friend's fear. It was most obvious. What puzzled me was the reaction of the snake. Just striking was not too awesome, but striking with accuracy, with no head, no eyes, no brain. That was
In a message dated 5/5/2004 1:56:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Robert Duvall
played one recently (I can't remember the name, had to stop watching it);
he was in earnest but it was so hokey.
The Apostles, I believe.
In a message dated 5/5/2004 3:03:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
REALITY: MILLER AND ELSMAN JUST SPENT 30 MINUTES ON THE PHONE TOGETHER, NOT 5 MINUTES AGO.
YOU JUDGE IF SMITHSON KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.
You miss the point.
JD
Thanks David, for the explanation. The Lord sure made a diversity of
life forms, huh? I am going to start raising rabbits in an area behind
the house (the demand at present exceeds the supply), and under the
rabbit cages, I have built worm beds to catch the rabbit droppings and
use them to
In a message dated 5/5/2004 3:56:02 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
don't know whether you have heard of the Rock Church in Va.Bch but we used to
go there and they had a lady called Lucy Rael come there who was supposed to have
the stigmata (they said she had oil and blood
Hi Laura:
We enjoyed Rock Church while we were there but we moved
and haven't been able to become
settled long term in the town where we live but we are
still looking.Judyt
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 5/5/2004 3:56:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We
In a message dated 5/5/2004 3:32:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks David, for the explanation. The Lord sure made a diversity of
life forms, huh? I am going to start raising rabbits in an area behind
the house (the demand at present exceeds the supply), and under the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 5/5/2004 8:10:49 AM Pacific
Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do any of you come from this tradition? (last chapter of
the book of Mark) Lance
Lance:
If you are familiar with the "Foxfire" series of books, book number
seven
John,
So you were raised in a Church
of Christ, or in the
Restoration Movement? Is the RM something like the Holy Spirit movement of the
70s or is it within the CofC ? I dont understand what it is. Izzy
Well, for one thing, Restoration theology is the result of a collection of
The Apostle is one of my husbands
favorite movies. (I like it, too.) I guess you had to grow up in Mississippi (or the
Ozarks) to get it. Another big favorite of ours is a Robert Duval called Tender
Mercies. Its a sweet, plain story about salvation. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I guess worms don't yawn, either, then. Terry, you are a real busy
entrepreneur. Izzy
-Original Message-
I have built worm beds to catch the rabbit droppings and
use them to raise fishing worms. While reading up on worms, I learned
that they do not have lungs. They breath through
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 5/5/2004 3:32:31 PM Pacific
Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks David, for the explanation. The Lord sure made a
diversity of
life forms, huh? I am going to start raising rabbits in an area behind
the house (the demand at
Terry, I told my husband about that headless snake;
he's interested in
everything outdoorsy - His comment was "maybe their
brain is in their tail" :)
He's been bitten by a rattler so he has a lot of
respect for snakes. judytFrom: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]Thanks David, for the
In a message dated 5/5/2004 4:11:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John, So you were raised in a Church of Christ, or in the Restoration Movement? Is the RM something like the Holy Spirit movement of the 70s or is it within the CofC ? I dont understand what it is. Izzy
C of
Lance wrote to Elsman:
Name two?
1. Teresa of Avila 2. Julian of Norwich
Lance, think about the physical differences between men and women, and
then think about sports. Can you name some famous female athletes? Of
course you can. But as your survey this in your mind, you realize that
sports
Izzy wrote:
it is heartbreaking that he had no one there with him
when he died-it brings tears to my eyes even as I write
this.
Hubert was in a nursing home for the last decade of his life, but
preachers from all over the country came to visit him very frequently.
He was not really alone in
Izzy wrote:
I wonder if Holy Hubert had the same attitude towards women
Hubert certainly did not believe in women being in authority over men,
but he loved and respected women preachers. When I spent a lot of time
with him around 1993-1994, he spoke with praise about one particular
woman
Judy wrote:
When and where did Hubert get a Phd? It wasn't one
of those that Oral Roberts hands out to everyone
periodically was it?
I don't know where it was, but when he told me about it, it seemed to be
in relationship to that Rabbi that he had studied under for 15 years.
Now that you
John S. wrote:
... you are admitting that there is nothing out
there that verifies his associations, credentials,
and evangelistic successes - right?
No, I am not admitting that. You can go look for them if you want. I
knew the man, so I don't waste time looking up stuff like that.
John S. wrote:
DavidM - was this intended to help in a discussion
regarding tradition how to place it outside the
expressed will of God because it didn't.
I don't know what you just said. What I was trying to do was point out
that while you assume that we don't support baptism from the
John S. wrote:
I am startled at just how little information there
is on a man who was honored by Catholics, saved 40,000
(or it is 70,000) Jews, thousands and thousands of hippies
- assisted Billy Graham although mention of his work
is hard to impossible to find. Something wrong with
DAVEH: I don't understand, Elsman..??? What's the problem with
revealing a few techniques you might know that would benefit other
students of the Bible? Did Hubert swear you to secrecy? (And if
so.why?)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated
5/5/2004 10:31:06 AM Eastern Daylight
In a message dated 5/5/2004 6:59:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John, So what is it that you like about Restoration Movement theology if they are against the Baptism in the Holy Spirit? Do you miss being in that now, or are you still? Izzy
Many within the c of c are not
In a message dated 5/5/2004 7:02:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you look at the facts and resist the effect
of culture on your sensitivities, a light bulb will go off in your mind
and you will see the truth with certainty.
Sounds like the light bulb has already gone
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