Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Dave Hansen
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, You have pulled this conversation way off track. DAVEH: Really?!?!?! I thought I was trying to keep it on track. You were the one who wanted to know the best way to evangelize Mormons. Now you don't seem to appreciate my answer So let me ask you,

Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-02-02 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: Be glad to discuss this with you. To start let's look at John chapter 3 verse 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Do you agree: 1) Jesus was the one who said this DAVEH: Yes.

Re: [TruthTalk] Judgment, Moderation, was Street Preaching

2005-02-02 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:22:42 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/28/2005 5:11:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Izzy wrote: They werent the first to goJudy is gone, too.John wote: Not before she did her damage.John, please do not disparage Judy. This

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth as viewed by one of the greats

2005-02-02 Thread Judy Taylor
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 07:24:16 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To the Enlighteded: jt: I consider myself a believer, so that makes me"enlightened, right?"JD: If no one cometh to Christ except the Father draw him - then Christ is NOT the "draw." Something else is going on. jt: Right.

Re: [TruthTalk] truth about Mormons--finally

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [LDS]are recruited by the FBI, the State Department and every police department in the country because they are trustworthy. First off you changed what I was referring to. I was talking about old MEN MARRYING 14 YEAR OLDS in Utah. Why they do not change

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, I see that you are not intersted in answering the original issue, but insist on continuing to dodge it by continually taking the conversation to some point irrelevant to the issue, which I am not interested in doing, I'm through wasting time waiting for a response. Perry From: Dave

RE: [TruthTalk] The Facts about Iraq

2005-02-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
Classic LDS smoke screen The waving underwear "WAH... WAH... WAH" routine has worked well in the past. This is why Many LDS love this one. Appeal to your good nature. LDS are always victims (see article I posted about Southern Baptist program of a few years ago.) You will never please them,

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Dave Hansen
Charles Perry Locke wrote: David, I see that you are not intersted in answering the original issue, but insist on continuing to dodge it by continually taking the conversation to some point irrelevant to the issue, which I am not interested in doing, I'm through wasting time waiting for a

Re: [TruthTalk] Peoples Republic of LDS

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
Again I ask what legitimate purpose does a private website full of pic's of ANTI'S and personal information serve? Why do Muslimsalso keep private web sites? Are they Danites? Or are you both against the free exchange of ideas? (see below) Christians on PalTalk Chat Service Tracked by Radical

Re: [TruthTalk] Waving garments OK?

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
Since some LDS are so up in arms over us exposing Secret garments to public view. I was wondering do you think of LDS keeping privite records and Websites of "ANTIS" is Christian? Do you see any parallels in thisMuslim example? Muslims at hate website celebrate murders of the Armanious family A

[TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Yesterday I bought a book at our local Lifeway Bookstory written by a Gentile girl who graduated from Brigham Young University. She was a brand new baby Christian when she went there and the Lord kept her. Her insights are really revealing. She was involved with the start of the BSU

[TruthTalk] New TruthTalk Moderator

2005-02-02 Thread David Miller
Gary has offered to moderate the list and I have decided to accept his offer. Gary was one of the founding members of this list. We had three moderators when we created this list, and Gary was one of the three founding moderators. Although some are concerned about his ability to communicate

Re: [TruthTalk] New TruthTalk Moderator

2005-02-02 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: Gary has offered to moderate the list and I have decided to accept his offer. Gary was one of the founding members of this list. We had three moderators when we created this list, and Gary was one of the three founding moderators. Although some are concerned about his

Re: [TruthTalk] New TruthTalk Moderator

2005-02-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/2/2005 12:00:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Miller wrote: Gary has offered to moderate the list and I have decided to accept his offer. Gary was one of the founding members of this list. We had three moderators when we created this list, and

[TruthTalk] FYI News Report From Jerusalem 2/2/2005

2005-02-02 Thread Judy Taylor
Do any of you understandwhy this administration insists upon a "full fledged PLO state"dividing Israel? jt NEWS REPORT FROM JERUSALEM * News and digest on Israel and Middle East affairs compiled byFOR ZION'S SAKE MINISTRY (Is 62:1). For out of Zion shall goforth the law, and the Word of

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
What is the name of the book?Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jt: Yesterday I bought a book at our local Lifeway Bookstory written by a Gentile girl who graduated from Brigham Young University. She was a brand new baby Christian when she went there and the Lord kept her. Her insights are

[TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is the name of the book? Gentile Girl Living with the Latter-day Saints By Carol Avery Forseth www.gentilegirl.comJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jt: Yesterday I bought a book at our local Lifeway Bookstore written by a Gentile girl

[TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is the name of the book? Oophs! Just checked the back of the book (I'm not finished reading it yet) and I misspoke about the graduating part. She spent two years at BYU before transferringto the University of North Texas and what became this book

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
Could you be so kind. So the title is Faith under Fire? Author? ISBN?Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is the name of the book? Oophs! Just checked the back of the book (I'm not finished reading it yet) and I misspoke about the graduating part. She spent two years at

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thanks!Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is the name of the book? Gentile Girl Living with the Latter-day Saints By Carol Avery Forseth www.gentilegirl.comJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jt: Yesterday I bought a book at our local Lifeway Bookstore written by

[TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
So you and the LDS trace your roots back to same origin. Bill and I both came from a fellowship (the Restoration Movemen aka Stone-Campbell Movement) that embraced that very principle. The Resotration motto was "speak where the Bible speaks, be silent where it is silent; call Bible things by

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread ttxpress
there are *evangelical approaches to evangelizing* on which not all evangelicals areagreeing, sowhat is *evangelical evangelizing*? ..also, how many street preachers involved in the SLC events discussed on TT are evangelical/s? e.g., what about Kevin's position on 'evangelicals';

Re: [TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread ttxpress
ftr, origins, destinations, routes, arrivals, etc. areaspects of journeys...e.g., Tim McVey, a graduate of Gulf War#1 has roots traceable to a radical cultic/militia enclave in Oklahomaabt 1992, before during his bomb test operations in Arizona--it's alleged that that cult

Re: [TruthTalk] history, WoG, forest, trees

2005-02-02 Thread ttxpress
(we) haven't heard from Debbie lately..maybe she needs an apology from me? (i think i could see why; let me know) so, Debbie, if you're reading today's email, inc this one, i'm hoping you'll offer some input on the question of 'evangelical evangelism', etc.(?) i'm still thinking about

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am not a Evangelical I am a FUNDAMENTALIST BIBLE BELIEVING BAPTIST Specifically Independent Baptist (IB) Most SP's I know are "Bible Baptist" I was a Ruckmanite before I knew who Ruckman was. Ruckman's church Bible Institute, areresponsible for thousands of SP's, Pastors, and Missionaries all

Re: [TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
A number of the original LDS Apostles and leaders were previously Cambellite Ministers Obviously they brought some of their "Restorationist" Theology with them! That makes you "Country Cousins"[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ftr, origins, destinations, routes, arrivals, etc. areaspects of

Re: [TruthTalk] Judgment, Moderation, was Street Preaching

2005-02-02 Thread ttxpress
as human adults, let's try to differentiate betw a person (as'the..problem') andthe (perhaps solvable)problem per se let ideas conflict focus on a possible ideological solution; post it--see what flies toward reality toapply force, resolutely, tothe solvable, or, to the conflict/s as

RE: [TruthTalk] history, WoG, forest, trees

2005-02-02 Thread Debbie Sawczak
No, no, no--your reply made me laugh, G! I have sigh deadlines to meet. I'm also trying to digest some stuff after a frenzy of intellectual activity!Otherwise it will all "fall out the back of my head" (as a friend of mine likes to say) and have no effect on my life. And I'm having a bit

Re: [TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread ttxpress
Kevin, Prove it first, apply it a little later,please, assuming it pans out as true..'giveppl a chance to process/discuss your allegations'seems like some soundadvice.. G On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:58:27 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A number of the original LDS

Re: [TruthTalk] history, WoG, forest, trees

2005-02-02 Thread ttxpress
thanks for the note(!)--we appreciate your interest in TruthTalk, Debbie ftr, the Dylan thread referencedis ancient--3rd quarter, last year, i think..perhaps DavidM willhelp point us allto the correct archival time frame; i may have the thread at hand, but on another computer/flash drv

Re: [TruthTalk] Judgment, Moderation, was Street Preaching

2005-02-02 Thread ttxpress
..how many Messianic moderators actuallysolvingppl problemscan there be? On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:20:14 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 04:25:04 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes, apparently quoting Pastor Smithson: [jt]was not the only

Re: [TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
Isn't it self evident? LDS have the "RESTORED" Gospel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Prove it first, apply it a little later,please, assuming it pans out as true..'giveppl a chance to process/discuss your allegations'seems like some soundadvice.. G On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:58:27 -0800 (PST)

Re: [TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/2/2005 7:29:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, Knpraise writes: In a message dated 2/2/2005 3:22:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you and the LDS trace your roots back to same origin. Bill and I both came from a fellowship (the Restoration Movemen aka

Re: [TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/2/2005 7:49:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, Knpraise writes: In a message dated 2/2/2005 3:59:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A number of the original LDS Apostles and leaders were previously Cambellite Ministers Obviously they brought some of their

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
G, My question to Blaine was in response to his knocking SP's, particularly those at the LDS GC and their methods. I thought it would be interesting to find out what he thinks would be the best way to evangelize Mormons. While sending out missionaries two by may two work in peoples homes, it

Re: [TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/2/2005 3:22:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you and the LDS trace your roots back to same origin. Bill and I both came from a fellowship (the Restoration Movemen aka Stone-Campbell Movement) that embraced that very principle. The Resotration motto

Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: Be glad to discuss this with you. To start let's look at John chapter 3 verse 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Do you agree: 1) Jesus was the one who said

Re: [TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread ttxpress
sounds like a radical concession, Kevin--(ask) what's being absorbdwhile mesmerized withtheir material/s(?); some thinkthat 'effective propaganda is published on fly paper'(perhaps: some stick to itbuzzing about it:) On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:04:08 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Any Resemblance?

2005-02-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
Does anyone see any similarities between this group LDS? http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050202/1064176.asp Outside critics are unacceptable http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050201/1064780.asp Helping spread the word http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1056567.asp

Re: [TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I have seen some changes in the Mormon Faith - perhaps indicating that the move of God effects even that fellowship. John John, will you please elaborate on what changes you have seen in Mormonism? As I understand it, other than removing some objectional material from the secret temple

Re: [TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/2/2005 8:57:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have seen some changes in the Mormon Faith - perhaps indicating that the move of God effects even that fellowship. John John, will you please elaborate on what changes you have seen in Mormonism? As I

Re: [TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/2/2005 4:31:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin, Prove it first, apply it a little later, please, assuming it pans out as true..'give ppl a chance to process/discuss your allegations' seems like some sound advice.. G On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:58:27