Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH's Reply to the Controversy

2005-11-27 Thread Dave
Dave, here you go tuning other peoples words around again. DAVEH: Hm..Kinda illuminating, ain't it! tuning in to other peoples words gives a little insight as to how they are hypocritical, which then allows me to turn their words back in reply. Is it at all possible that YOU are the

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread Dave
get off your self-righteous horse, and own your bad behavior. DAVEH: This is coming from one who implied that I am the messenger boy of satan? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Wake up, Dave, and get off your self-righteous horse, and own your bad behavior. From: Dave [EMAIL

[TruthTalk] Christian Hypocrisy on TT

2005-11-27 Thread Dave
Do you suppose CPL will know anything about them, Dean DAVEH: Thank you for quoting me accurately, Perry. Now let's analyze the possible answers. From Dean's perspective, are they not.. 1) Yes 2) No 3) I don't know. ..It was a simple question that can easily be answered by any of

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Dave
Dave, please read this note to Terry. DAVEH: I did, Perry. I'd prefer to hear Terry's comment before responding, but due to time constraints, I think it best to reply now. Imagine this same conversation occuring in YOUR sunday school class or other church meeting. DAVEH: That's the problem

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread Dave
apparentlyDaveH has some explainin' to do--eh? DAVEH: I did do the explaining in a parallel post, G. But so that you or other TTers don't happen to miss it, I'll explain it to again. There were three simple answers Dean could have offered... 1) Yes 2) No 3) I don't know. .. to

Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH's Reply to the Controversy

2005-11-27 Thread Judy Taylor
Cain wasn't an Israelite either; he was just a man with a propensity toward sin and no heart for God On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:46:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DaveH ain't Cain, Bro--neither is he an Israelite On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:31:17 -0800

RE: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy is hiding under the couch with the cat until the fisticuffs blow over! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 1:40 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

[TruthTalk] Are we not 'governed', 'overseen', 'covered', 'umbrella'd' by two moderators?

2005-11-27 Thread Lance Muir
There's never a DAVID MILLER around when you need one. This ain't a Tom and Jerry cartoon though it is beginning to resemble one. (Tom: played by Charles Jerry:played by Dave). We'll move on, perhaps, to a discussion of 'without spot or wrinkle' thingy or John 17 as exemplified on TT.

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-27 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 11/25/2005 3:16:37 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore Dean wrote: I had the set ... You HAD the set? Do you still have it? Did

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance Mur says: I have a sense of DaveH that he ain'tgotit in '

2005-11-27 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 11/26/2005 7:48:23 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance Mur says: I have a sense of DaveH that he ain'tgotit in ' You misunderstood, my friend. My sense of humor was not tittilated. I did not

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
What a Public INTRODUCTION to His MINISTRY!Who said anything about Hate? Is that how you feel JD?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:And what of the rest of His life? What of His death without resistance? How did he deal with those who were about to stone the adultness woman? What was His

Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH's Reply to the Controversy

2005-11-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
Good point Another similarity btween Cain DH One was and one is Present tense indicitave of BEING LOST!Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Cain wasn't an Israelite either; he was just a man with a propensity toward sin and no heart for GodOn Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:46:33 -0700

RE: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 11/27/2005 1:04:26 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you. Terry, here is my point. please take the time to read it. Answer my questions to yourself, then

[TruthTalk] Take care lest you be overcome with a 'religious spirit'

2005-11-27 Thread Lance Muir
We ought to caution any whoseek to manipulate, control and coerece. When one has made one's point, it may be the better part of wisdom to move on and, should one have spoken the truth of a matter, allow the Spirit to do the rest.

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology of violence?

2005-11-27 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 11/27/2005 2:31:18 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Theology of violence? Seriously, John. No drama, please. I am just saying that if we were to look at Deans whole life, as you suggested

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Terry, here is my point. please take the time to read it. Answer my questions to yourself, then please repond and let me know if you get my point in this whole ordeal. I will answer as honestly as I can. Terry, would you consider having a similar conversation in

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Wake up folks...when Dave said, Do you suppose CPL will know anything about them, Dean, the implication was that Izzy and I were intimate. How else would I know about her sexual experiences. Get off your self-righteous horse, Dave, and own your bad behavior. Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Lance Muir
I also have a sense of humour, Terry Kudos to you for an excellent point by point response to CPL. Folks, people, pharisees!! May we please move on?? Please? - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 27, 2005 10:26

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance Mur says: I have a sense of DaveH that he ain'tgotit in '

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Dean Moore wrote: See my reply to Perry concerning Sunday school. Terry cd: I see Terry -So DavH did no wrong but I am too quick to take offence even when a lady has just been asked to tell of her sexual experiences and the Charles has

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread knpraise
OK -- I quit !!funny stuff, my friend. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:37:24 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect. ..Wisdom suggests that somebody needs to do somethin' wise here before Pastor Sloses his

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Consider this! You constantly stirrinf the pot and pretending to know how I think may be the biggest problem of all. I suggest you put your brain in gear before opening your mouth. Terry cd: It is not your point that is the problem-the problem is that Terry don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread knpraise
The more you stir crap, the more it stinks :-)-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:37:10 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you. I also have a sense of humour, Terry Kudos to

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology of violence?

2005-11-27 Thread Dave
But, it seemed good to me to deflect this discussion from increasing threats toward DH -- and I still think that the best choice. DAVEH: I appreciate you trying to moderate the pressure of the situation, Bishop. I'm just sorry you have had to endure some of the heat that was directed at me.

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology of violence?

2005-11-27 Thread knpraise
Probably the most disappointing time of all, here on TT. JD-Original Message-From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:14:12 -0800Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Theology of violence? But, it seemed good to me to deflect this discussion from

Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH's Reply to the Controversy

2005-11-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
C'mon, Dave. I am the moderator of TT, not the moderator of SLC. The point is not to whom you are directing the attention, the from whom you are directing it. From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH's

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Touche! Charles Perry Locke wrote: The more you stir crap, the more it stinks. - Terry Clifton, November 27th, 2005 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: Wake up folks...when Dave said, Do you suppose CPL will know anything about them, Dean, the implication was

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Terry such things should never be among our conversations as a part of the body-I will not accept such-nor allow someone to speak such to my wife. I am from the south here we have chivalry-such thing are not done-nor will we allow a women to be mistreated in our presence.If being this way is

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread knpraise
Zzzz...-Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:42:53 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
I have been in the south longer than you dean, so let me burst your bubble. Chivalry is a ggod thing. It is also a rare thing. Here in the south we have men who beat their wives. We have men that cheat on their wives. We have men who lie to their wives. The fact that you and I do not do that

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Lance Muir
Game, set, match! This, Terry, is THE ONE AND ONLY PERSPECTIVE into which such things can be put. One could not but Amen what you've written. I suspect that Dean would so acknowledge. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] Take care lest you be overcome with a 'religious spirit'

2005-11-27 Thread ttxpress
as only the HScan On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:42:23 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..one has made one's point..the better part of wisdom [is] to move on.. allow the Spirit to do the rest.

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread ttxpress
yo/firth, this coulda helpeth theehugely whilst hangin' around som'a these TT women, Bro---never knoweth thee whenstone mayeth firth come forth outa from under yon couch though lika cat catless... On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:38:25 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:.. (BTW G, I've got

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread Lance Muir
rtg doc on Woodie...sn it? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 27, 2005 14:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect. yo/firth, this coulda helpeth theehugely whilst hangin' around som'a these TT

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread ttxpress
redactd 'urban life music', c. 1677 On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:18:26 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: rtg doc on Woodie...sn it? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 27, 2005 14:06

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread Lance Muir
That serves me right! What I said was: I'me renting a dvd documentary on Woodie Guthrie. Have you seen this documentary? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 27, 2005 14:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's

Re: [TruthTalk] Back to Heb 10:14

2005-11-27 Thread knpraise
John respondsDavid wrote this: Apparently you have not consulted too many grammars. A.T. Robertston in "A Grammar of the Greek New Testament" writes about Hebrews 10:14 in the following way:"But usually the pres. part. is merely descriptive. Cf. Mk. 1:4; Ac. 20:9; 2 Cor. 3:18; 4:18. There is no

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:35:28 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect. redactd 'urban life music', c. 1677 On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:18:26 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: rtg doc on

Re: [TruthTalk] Imputed Righteousness is Essential Doctrine

2005-11-27 Thread knpraise
You would have to be completely IGNORANT of God's UTTER DISGUST with the smallest disobedience, to deny imputed righteousness. A good point. What do you have in mind when you present the notioin that the "atonement" is limited to believers only? jd -Original Message-From: Andrew

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread ttxpress
write on! On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:52:08 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:35:28 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect. redactd 'urban life music', c.

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology of violence?

2005-11-27 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:14:12 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But, it seemed good to me to deflect this discussion from increasing threats toward DH -- and I still think that the best choice. DAVEH: I appreciate you trying to moderate the pressure of the situation, Bishop.

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology of violence?

2005-11-27 Thread ttxpress
and here you are--ain't you gotta couch catshelter somewhere? On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:15:41 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For some reason he loves to get in the middle of these kinds of things

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology of violence?

2005-11-27 Thread Judy Taylor
Yeah! I'm here, and I'm here for some talking - some talking about Truth that is; how did the focus get from Him to DaveH's morals and JD's wrestling mat at home? On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:18:25 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and here you are--ain't you gotta couch catshelter

RE: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
FTR, Irma was not playingshe meant it, as she did not want personal private information, but wanted it to be public information, or she didnt want to know at all. She tried to make that clear in a humorous manner. iz Then Irma says, You know I'll tell!. [Irma is playing with

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Terry Clifton
Dean Moore wrote: - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/27/2005 1:21:13 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you. I have been in the south

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread knpraise
cd: Hmm-None withchivalry in the south-No good street preachers anywhere. So you are saying I am no good and I have no chivalry. OK, we will leave it as we are accountable for every word-I have no problem with praying for you-but at least now I understand you-may God bless you Terry. I find

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Dave
now my character is being questioned DAVEH: Golly Dean.I don't recall anybody questioning your character. I think we all pretty well understand your character by the nature of the posts you've been making. Dean Moore wrote: cd: Terry such things should never be among our

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Calvin's beliefs are of Satan-He was an evil man' says Dean Moore

2005-11-27 Thread David Miller
Dean wrote: -No I did not read the entire work-but as you know we can know a tree by its fruit-when A Saints plan and carries out a gruesome death of another Christian and later shows no remorse they have nothing that I want to study to find truth. Such a comment tells me that you do not

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/27/2005 4:49:58 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you. Dean Moore wrote: - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Back to Heb 10:14

2005-11-27 Thread David Miller
David Miller's comments in blue. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Back to Heb 10:14 John respondsDavid wrote this: Apparently you have

Re: [TruthTalk] Back to Heb 10:14

2005-11-27 Thread knpraise
It is almost -- but not quite - humorous, your inability to converse with me without the put downs. Also, for some reason, when I go down into the body of your post, I cannot singlespace my response unless I write it somewhere else and copy it into the post -- below the "-Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] Back to Heb 10:14

2005-11-27 Thread Taylor
Okay, one more "last word" on the subject :) -- this time looking at some theological/interpretive aspects of my translation. I find it significant that Hebrews 10.10 presents our participle in the perfect tense: "are sanctified" in the KJV and "have been sanctified" in the NKJV. "Have

Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator Comment **

2005-11-27 Thread ttxpress
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:27:00 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From this point forward all posts relative to the ongoing discussion between Dave and Izzy are to be taken off-line. This includes threads that were spawned from that discussion. || pls consider includg

Re: [TruthTalk] Back to Heb 10:14

2005-11-27 Thread ttxpress
myth [while couch shopping at eBay,one salient saintly critique: Neither sanctification nor itsgrammar, whethr Eng or Gk, is an element of an 'equation'--no biblical author thinks of it in philosophical terms; correspondingly, math is not germane to biblical revelation partic

Re: [TruthTalk] Theology of violence?

2005-11-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
There is something seriously wrong with you[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Maybe you should go back and take a look at the context of my invite to Dean, before you get too far down that road. Secondly, have we just movedon from my comments about the Temple and the supposed violent encounter Christ

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave's Disrespect.

2005-11-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
So here is the Real Problem when are you going to stop beating your wife type of problem.The problem has now become that VIOLENT man! LOLDave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: I trust that Dean is a Christian first, and his propensity towards violence is tempered by his understanding of what

Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller****

2005-11-27 Thread Dave Hansen
Do I have this about right, Dave? DAVEH: Yes DavidMyou are reasonably close in briefly explaining my understanding of hell for the purposes of this discussion.except for the comment about.. but not too many .I'm not sure where you got that one. Consider it a

Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you.

2005-11-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
Ya know I am getting sick of your bragging about your Inteligence[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Zzzz...-Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 27

Re: [TruthTalk] Back to Heb 10:14

2005-11-27 Thread knpraise
"But everyone who partakesonly of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern goodand evil" (Heb 5:13-14). If (a) you do not see babe - maturity as a process and (b) if you do

Re: [TruthTalk] Moses sees god's face and lives in the PoGP!

2005-11-27 Thread Dave Hansen
Do you have any examples of Spirit Bodies? DAVEH: The Bible implies and describes several. Lk 24:37 tells us that the apostles thought they had seen one. Jesus then explains to them in verse 39 that they are not seeing a spirit, as a spirit does not have flesh and bone. The implication is