[TruthTalk] Judy asks a rhetorical question re:Lance employing 2 Peter 3:3,4

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Could it be that such are the 'silly women' spoken of in 2 Timothy 3? Let us hope not brethren and 'sistren'. There's never a Debbie, Caroline, Lise, Tanya, Marina, Barb, Lydia etc. around when you need one!

[TruthTalk] So then, its 'footnotes' you're after??

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
One would not have thought you so easily impressed, Judy. Ya wants footnotes? May I suggest Karl Barth? I've met the 'Huntmeister' and, we spoke. He's big into this 'end times' drivel. .

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Assuming 500 more years..........

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02, 2005 22:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Assuming 500 more years.. Lance, Tell us, then, what you believe relative to Christ's promised return, and his 1000

[TruthTalk] The 'chicken little' contingent

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
There are many ways to go with this.Your mission, should you accept it 1. J. N. Darby and the end of the world. 2. William Miller and the end of the world and, by extension, Ellen G. White. 3. Hal Lindsay and the end of the world. 4. Grant Jeffrey and the end of the world. 5.

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: lancet_10-29-04_article_on_IRAQ_casualties.pdf

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
A Iz, how simple such distinctions are for some. I see your political beliefs,as I have heard you express them, to bebordering on the cultic BUT, I see you as one of the more sincere 'doers of the Word' on TT. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To:

Re: [TruthTalk] So then, its 'footnotes' you're after??

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Footnotes?? Only if the original thought makes any sense. Barf definitely would not qualify. On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 06:06:20 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One would not have thought you so easily impressed, Judy. Ya wants footnotes? May I suggest Karl Barth? I've met the

[TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
This man served our Lord faithfully throughout his life as did John Calvin. To take note of these truly shallow, petulant, and uniformed caricatures is reprehensible. What 'spirit' inhabits such an one as this? Take care Judy" - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
I am not in any position to judge Barf's personal life and neither are you Lance. Calvins' was a bit more public. And didn't you write the following "I've met the 'Huntmeister' and, we spoke. He's big into this 'end times' drivel. . " Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, isn't the

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Oh Lance, I forgot to mention that I can not take credit for your descriptive subject line It is an original Kevinism (if I remember correctly) but after perusing some of the subject's theological ideas I found it appropriate. Remember ad hom is against the person. I don't know the man; my

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy says'I don't know the man/his work/his character BUT

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
I'm quite prepared to speak ill of him. Mind now, I've often criticized Lance for doing the same thing. You see, I'm the exception that proves the rule. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

[TruthTalk] Re:Tell ya what I'm gonna do, Judy

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
I'll engage you on Dave Hunt, utilizing my conversations with and those works of his that I've read. You engage me on Karl Barth based upon those works of his that you've actually read. How's that for fair? Thereafter we'll see whether either assessment stands. - Original Message

[TruthTalk] Dave Hansen's points were 'right on the money' including our highly sensitive ****MODERATOR****

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Hi kids! Today's word is 'recuse'. Do any of you know what it means? Does anyone know to whom it most applies? (Hint: he utilizes three names)

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Tell ya what I'm gonna do, Judy

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Just because I have used a few of Hunt's footnoted quotes in an online thread re John Calvin Geneva does not mean that I am a follower of Dave Hunt or that I interpret scripture according to his writings... so that won't fly. On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:10:46 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy says'I don't know the man/his work/his character BUT

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
If this is what you read from me Lance, then it is no wonder to me that we exchange words that are void of any kind of communication. Kind of like the one memorable post BillT sent that was a page filled with words words words words. I'd like to know how he didthat ... Sat, 3 Dec 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Tell ya what I'm gonna do, Judy

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
And, speaking of what won't 'fly'; just what of Karl Barth's own writings have you read? (primary source material) footnote:Same question of John Calvin footnote:Does it matter? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc:

[TruthTalk] Judy asks: 'Is this what you read from me, Lance?' CLARIFICATION****

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Kindly clarify for me what it is that you think of: John Calvin, Karl Barth, Michael Polanyi, Thomas F. Torrance, Dave Hunt, C. I. Scofield, J. F. Dake? Which of the foregoing have you actually read? (I mean a book of their's in your actual hands). For that matter, what primary source

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Tell ya what I'm gonna do, Judy

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Why would I waste God's time reading some theologian who with all his great learningdid not believe the scriptures to be inerrant? Obviously he was not led by the Spirit of God. I understand why you like him though as TFT is one of his fans and they study him at Princeton - so his must be

[TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
She can speak ill of the saints of God without having read a word of primary source material yet, our beloved MODERATOR gives her a total 'pass'. Happily, David Miller did not. Kudos to you, David. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Assuming 500 more years..........

2005-12-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, although there is no reply in your response, I will assume (let me know if I do so in error) that your subsequent post on the SDA indicates thatyou are a SDA? A few things in that description of SDAs struck me as interesting, not the least of which is the statement ... Roman

[TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves in the 3rd person?) NOT SDA PERRY

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Garden variety Christian am I. (How yoda-like).

RE: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves i

2005-12-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Okay, then the question remains why you posted the SDA stuff, and my questions to you remain unanswered. Perry From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Title: SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH I haven't a clue why Lance sent this, I asked him about it myself. Don't know what Dave Hunt is, if anything but I do know he is NOT SDA and I don't believe Lance is either. He couldn't be universalist if he were. I have a friend who began attending a SDA

Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves in the 3rd person?) NOT SDA PERRY

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Yoda - you mean that little wizened up devil in the Star Wars movies On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:39:10 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Garden variety Christian am I. (How yoda-like). judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves in the 3rd person?) NOT SDA PERRY

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
The same that David Christine went to see in SWIII. Ya him! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 03, 2005 09:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when

Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves i

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
I get the impression Perry that Lance thinks himself as way above us on an intellectual level and that most of the time he just plays with us here on TT. jt On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:44:52 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, then the question remains why you posted

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Title: SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH Two words in one day, kids! Can we all say EVASIVE? Keep this up Judy and you're going to change my mind concerning you and 'intentionality'. No, I don't think you'd care but, it'd say something quite important about the 'reading' of you by John, Bill and

Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves i

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Like I said to you the other day Perry, ya gots ta learn to read for meaning. It IS all in my post. Sadly, the word 'drivel' is the sum of it. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 03, 2005 09:44 Subject: RE:

Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves in the 3rd person?) NOT SDA PERRY

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Do you know why they went? Were they going for sheer entertainment or to keep up with what is important and relevant to the worldlings at the University they are involved with. Either way it is their business. Why do you bring it up? As an accusation? On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:52:50 -0500

Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves i

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Didja ever see Tom Jerry? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 03, 2005 09:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves i

[TruthTalk] Thank You TT

2005-12-03 Thread Dean Moore
cd: I have come to realize my passion are to much for extended stay on TT. To my family on this site-you have a place in my heart.Bill Thank you for being a brother. Judy and Izzy you are the reason(s) I have been here as I wanted to help. David I want to be brothers with you and if we continue

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Title: SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH Lance why do you always have to bring others into what you write; what do John, Bill, and Debbie have to do with what goes on between you and I on this list. If they want to be part of the conversation they are free to interject on their own behalf. I am

[TruthTalk] Re:Judy asks 'DID YOU BRING IT UP AS AN ACCUSATION?

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Most assuredly NOT! I've also seen it and, didn't much care for it. Didja ever think that you so readily assume the 'accusatory' 'cause that's what y'all do? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

[TruthTalk] JUDY!! Y'all have convinced me this very morning!

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Vacuity thy name is JUDY!

Re: [TruthTalk] Thank You TT

2005-12-03 Thread knpraise
see ya .-Original Message-From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:03:01 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] Thank You TT cd: I have come to realize my passion are to much for extended stay on TT. To my family on this site-you have a place in my

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Judy asks 'DID YOU BRING IT UP AS AN ACCUSATION?

2005-12-03 Thread knpraise
Amen to this !!! -Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:13:50 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:Judy asks 'DID YOU BRING IT UP AS AN ACCUSATION?" Most assuredly NOT! I've also seen it and, didn't much care for it. Didja

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY!! Y'all have convinced me this very morning!

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Did you think this a nonad hominem Lance or don't you really care?? On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:16:44 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vacuity thy name is JUDY! judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Judy asks 'DID YOU BRING IT UP AS AN ACCUSATION?

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
I asked you a question Lance, not having assumed anything so you are working with a false premise to begin with - which JD has very quickly endorsed. Oh well!! It figures. On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:13:50 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most assuredly NOT! I've also seen it and,

Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves i

2005-12-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
It would seem that way. From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org CC: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves i Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:50:28 -0500 I

Re: [TruthTalk] Thank You TT

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Oh Dean, Tell me it isn't so I for one will really miss you here and hope you will be back ASAP judyt On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:03:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: I have come to realize my passion are to much for extended stay on TT. To my family on this

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread Christine Miller
Geez, Lance, all these different retorts to Judy via subject lines makes me wonder if the discussion is more about Judy than any theological issue. Or has Judy become the issue for you?::yawn::Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She can speak ill of the saints of God without

Re: [TruthTalk] Thank You TT

2005-12-03 Thread Christine Miller
It was wonderful to "meet" you, cd. I thoroughly enjoyed your stay on TT. Lord bless you! Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:cd: I have come to realize my passion are to much for extended stay on TT. To my family on this site-you have a place in my heart.Bill Thank you for being a

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread knpraise
Your use of "Barf" is both a contradiction to your shallow claim thatyou do not judge Barth and a clear statement to the fact that you know nothing of what this man believes and the concerns he dealt with in his battle against liberal theologies (among otherconsiderations.) -Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Christine: Is there a great gap between what you say and who you are? Seriously! - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 03, 2005 10:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
I know he would not pledge allegiance to Hitler which is noteworthy but the very fact thatHitler and his occult socialist system gainedthat much control in his country somewhat proves the impotency of his message. He did teach at a University there - right? So he influenced others with his

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread knpraise
Total chunky style barnyard.By the same logic, I can call you Jezebel Taylor and Kevin "Dunce Deegan" and and so on.And "ad hom" has no such limitations except here on TT. Ad hom is an attack on the person or words of an individual "rather than an appeal to pure reason" (Webster's Encyclopedic

Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves i

2005-12-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, You may think that your responses are deep and meaningful, but they are too elusive for me to spend time on. I ask for your position on a few simple issues from the Revelation, and you post a 2000 word treatise on SDA that you copied from some web site without any explanation. Was I

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Take note: This is an excellent lesson in the art of "evasion" of which Lance is the undisputed King On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:10:10 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christine: Is there a great gap between what you say and who you are? Seriously! From: Christine Miller

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of A.Word.A.Day

2005-12-03 Thread Dave Hansen
I think there is only one quality worse than hardness of heart, and that is softness of head. -Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain

[TruthTalk] Nice but somewhat annoying, Perry

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
My first post on this said it all, did it not? Why not go back and read it? I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE SCRIPTURES PROVIDE US WITH ANY KIND OF AN END TIMES PANORAMA OF EVENTS THAT LIE IN THE FUTURE. If you do then, bless you. iS THIS SUFFICIENTLY UNCRYPTIC FOR YA? FYI, I named William Miller

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 03, 2005 11:15 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT Take note:

[TruthTalk] WHO is the issue? WHAT is the issue?

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
WHO? Judy, Linda, Christine, David, Dave, Lance, John, Bill, Kevin, Dean (whoops! not any more), Dave.. WHAT? The matter under discussion.

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread knpraise
Frankly, the most ridiculous criticism of Barth I have ever seen. An absolutely laughable commentary. Barth's regard for the scripture's far exceeds anything I have read in your post. He appeals to no other source of information. You criticize him for denying the infallibility of scripture

[TruthTalk] What is an argumentum ad hominem - for Lance JD Smithson

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
JD writes: By the same logic, I can call you Jezebel Taylor and Kevin "Dunce Deegan" and and so on.And "ad hom" has no such limitations except here on TT. Ad hom is an attack on the person or words of an individual "rather than an appeal to pure reason" (Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary.)

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:35:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frankly, the most ridiculous criticism of Barth I have ever seen. An absolutely laughable commentary. It's a short note and hardly a commentary but have a good laugh on me ... Barth's regard for the

Re: [TruthTalk] What is an argumentum ad hominem - for Lance JD Smithson

2005-12-03 Thread knpraise
are you calling Webster "carnal?" Incredible. And what carnal quotation is yours?? I don't need to readyour submittal. Mine is quite adequate. This is what Webster's says and thatsettles it. The only reason why - the ONLY reason why you continue to debate this, why you want to elevate

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:45:39 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth) On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:35:48 -0500

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread ttxpress
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:18:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She [maligns, maliciously--g] the saints of God without having read a word of primary source material yet, our beloved MODERATOR gives her a total 'pass'. Happily, David Miller did not. Kudos to you, David.

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 12:40:34 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD writes: Stop with the lie, Judy. You have nothing to back up your claim but when has that slowed you down in the past. You want Barth to be a threat THEREFORE he is. He spent his lifetime presenting the

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
The inerrancy debate and the search for Emus are on a par with one another.(Extinction is the word) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 03, 2005 12:54 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Judy WON'T answer because SHE CANNOT WITHOUT FALSIFICATION OR EMBARRASSMENT

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Oophs!! I forgot about you Gary but I can in good conscience add you to the list of infected ones since your affiliation sticks out like a sore thumb in everything you write... and you defend both Calvin and Barth .. even to the point of calling them 'saints' On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:39:37

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Not hardly Lance; Where did you get the idea that emus are in danger of extinction? There are emu farms here in the US. We visited one in Mississippi. So this is about as factual as your views on scriptural "inerrancy" Oh well! It's not as though we haven't beenwarned. "He that is unjust,

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, there are many dimensions to the ad-hominem argument on which Webster's does not elaborate. In fact, the way the ad hominem attack is most often used on TT is to demean the opponent for 1) hoping to discredit them to the point that their arguments seem untrustworthy, 2) to throw a red

RE: [TruthTalk] Nice but somewhat annoying, Perry

2005-12-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Thanks, Lance. We're getting there! Now, I understand your position that you DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE SCRIPTURES PROVIDE US WITH ANY KIND OF AN END TIMES PANORAMA OF EVENTS THAT LIE IN THE FUTURE. Since that is so, you must have a different view of all those scriptures that OTHERS think refer

[TruthTalk] Would I (Lance) mind taking the time to answer these questions?

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
I would mind. It's a go nowhere conversation, IMO. How much have I made off LB series? A most miniscule amount as I don't promote them. L

Re: [TruthTalk] WHO is the issue? WHAT is the issue?

2005-12-03 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: WHO? Judy, Linda, Christine, David, Dave, Lance, John, Bill, Kevin, Dean (whoops! not any more), Dave.. WHAT? The matter under discussion. Tell us more about the bridge. Modern or covered? Free or toll? Is it as blue as your car, or one of

[TruthTalk] Unjust?...Filthy?

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Sorry about the bird (I meant to name the Dodo). When one is untentionally funny Judy, people smileA LOT!!

Re: [TruthTalk] WHO is the issue? WHAT is the issue?

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
It is camouflage in color(s). Gun racks abound. Price is totally negotiable. One wouldn't attempt to con an ex-guard. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 03, 2005 14:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] WHO is the

RE: [TruthTalk] Would I (Lance) mind taking the time to answer these questions?

2005-12-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, I do not consider learning about you and your views as a go nowhere conversation. Other than quoting the opinions of others you, for the most part, seem to be very private with your personal views. Would you consider answering them for me privately? I do not promote LB either. Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] Would I (Lance) mind taking the time to answer these questions?

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Perry, The word itself , END, apparently has meaning. You and I will both arrive, finally, at some sort of ..well...END (it is the death thingy) Seriously Perry, ESCHATOLOGY as a subject for discussion, IMO. is a waste of time. I've held a variety of eschatological positions over the

Re: [TruthTalk] Unjust?...Filthy?

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Filthiness is only a joke to those who lack understanding Lance. You and others plagued by what is known as the "liberal" taint have been robbed blind by your mentors. Jesus told His disciples that they were clean through the Words he had spoken (they received them as is) Paul also uses this

Re: [TruthTalk] Unjust?...Filthy?

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
I'll take any day over the Judy(ian) brand of s-called interpretation!! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 03, 2005 14:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unjust?...Filthy?

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread knpraise
Comments concerning Webster are correct, I am sure. But I included the only definitionWebster entertains in the referenced work. One simply cannot say that the writing "is just plain stupid" without casting doubt on the intellectual abilities of the author. "Barf" is not the man's name and Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Unjust?...Filthy?

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't have an "interpretation" Lance so you are in no danger there ... Why not allow God the Holy Spirit to be your interpreter? On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:48:54 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll take any day over the Judy(ian) brand of s-called interpretation!!

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:54:27 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Comments concerning Webster are correct, I am sure. But I included the only definitionWebster entertains in the referenced work. One simply cannot say that the writing "is just plain stupid" without casting doubt on

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-03 Thread knpraise
The ICBI is defunct, as far as I know. Your network copy skills have manifested themselves with abundance in the following. Hats off to Judy and the party line ! The fact of the matter is that no one offers any real evidence . You knownothing of Barth's personal battle against some

Re: [TruthTalk] Unjust?...Filthy?

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS CERTAINLY NOT YOUR INTERPRETER Judy! The 'book' comes with no such guarantee. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 03, 2005 14:57 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Unjust?...Filthy?

2005-12-03 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS CERTAINLY NOT YOUR INTERPRETER Judy! The 'book' comes with no such guarantee. Please stop the blasphemy. Do you really think that your words carry more authority than Jesus Christ or the apostle John? John 16:13 (13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth,

[TruthTalk] ICBI-The inerrantist debate(?)-Judith knoweth not what she speaketh of (WHAT'S NEW?)

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
ICBI-I read all of the collected/bound papers. I still have all of the lectures on cassette delivered over the years. Seriously Judy, your knowledge concerning so much is so remarkably uninformed and hollow. I'm prepared to recant should you be able to do something beyond misquote

Re: [TruthTalk] Warning!!! Neo-Orthodoxy in our midst .... JD and Lance are infected

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:10:19 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The ICBI is defunct, as far as I know. The ppl involved have reorganized and I am not a part ofthis; I used the fact that they organized to fight this neo-orthodoxy in making a point tocounter your constant

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread knpraise
see my comments below. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:06:27 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth) On Sat, 03 Dec 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Unjust?...Filthy?

2005-12-03 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Sorry about the bird (I meant to name the Dodo). When one is untentionally funny Judy, people smileA LOT!! We have a dodo farm near us.

[TruthTalk] NO DAVID! YOU OUGHT TO GET OFF YOUR HIGH/PRIDEFUL HORSE!!

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
If I'm correct then 1. You don't know how to interpret these Scriptures 2. You are then, accusing a brother of blasphemy FALSELY!! Please tell me David, is the truth Jesus or, your interpretation of the words of Scripture? Are you, David, an inerrantist? Have you/do you EVER

[TruthTalk] You are an excellent but, flawed interpreter of Scripture yourself, David.

2005-12-03 Thread Lance Muir
Rikk Watts, NT professor at Regent College, concluded his course on Biblical Exegesis by asking 'Why doesn't God make it easier for us to understand Scripture?' Said he, 'I simply don't know." You've cited blasphemy on more than one occasion, David. I believe you'd best reign yourself in!

Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves i

2005-12-03 Thread knpraise
Funny, I often get the imprression that he is. jd-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 07:55:25 -0800Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves i It would seem

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
1 Tim 4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; ... Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meatshttp://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/qod/q18.htmSDA say Sunday

Re: [TruthTalk] The Eternal Sonship and the Adoption heresey

2005-12-03 Thread knpraise
Your heretical ignorance of thefacts of scripturecoupled with your refusal to deal with the issues presented in past postings. The myth that you function off the Holy Spirit in the interpretation of scriptureis herein debunked. Adoptionism is not a bibllical doctrine when applied to Christ. So

Re: [TruthTalk] JUDY!! Y'all have convinced me this very morning!

2005-12-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vacuity thy name is JUDY!From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:13:50 -0500Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:Judy asks 'DID YOU BRING IT UP AS AN ACCUSATION?"Most assuredly NOT! I've also seen it and,

Re: [TruthTalk] NO! Lance (doncha just love it when people speak of themselves i

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Your "impressions" are not known to be very stable JD; and neither are those you are impressed by. On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:30:17 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Funny, I often get the imprression that he is. jd From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would seem

Re: [TruthTalk] The Eternal Sonship and the Adoption heresey

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Adoptionism is a figment of your own extremely fertile imagination JD I have no part in any of it .. and no problems here. jt On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:35:34 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your heretical ignorance of thefacts of scripturecoupled with your refusal to deal with the

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
Hero of the FAITHless? "The Bible is God's Word so far as God lets it be his Word" (Barth, Church Dogmatics, I / 2, 123)"THE WORD WHICH ENTERS HUMAN EARS AND IS UTTERED BY HUMAN LIPS, IS THE WORD OF GOD--ONLY WHEN THE MIRACLE TAKES PLACE. OTHERWISE, IT IS JUST A HUMAN WORD LIKE ANY OTHER. ...

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Thanks Kevin; The Barthians have been at it all day today, so glad to see you are still about... What an unbelieving mess this is. I can not imagine anyone allowing this man to mediate between himself and God. Can you?? On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:49:36 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/special/131christians/barth.html American evangelicals have been skeptical of Barth because he refused to consider the written Word "infallible" (he believed only Jesus was). Others gave up on Barth's theology because it overemphasized God's transcendance

[TruthTalk] Take heed!! This evil fruit of unbelief is happening on TT as we speak

2005-12-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Once sufficient doubt is cast upon the Bible as a body of objective truth, it will cease to be either an instrument of faith or a standard of practice. It can be cherished as literature, adorning our tables and filling our libraries; yet it will be no more authoritative than Aesop's

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
Does this make Barfh qualify as a Monstrous Miscreant?CD = Church DogmaticsLike all ancient literature the Old and New Testaments know nothing of the distinction of fact and value between history on the one hand and saga and legend on the other (CD I, 2, 509). In common with the

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am speaking as a pastor. I do agree that such conduct isharmful and wrong spirited. Ido notbelieve that Jezebel isa word that should be used with you in mind, for any reason. Now, withthat statement of fact in mind -- go back and see if youcan figure outwhat I am trying to accomplish in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm

2005-12-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
By the way has anyone out there accepted this "GIFT", the saturday sabbath? Or was it a different gift?Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1 Tim 4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
To the FAITHless it would seem of no big import to consider parts of the Bible as just "Legend".They are part of the many thatconsider the Bible as Saga Legend,whats the big deal?Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kevin; The Barthians have been at it all day today, so glad to see

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:On Judy once again employing the ad hom (Barf for Karl Barth)

2005-12-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
What do I think? Well, I still think both the barf reference and the Jezebel reference are ad hominem references. One aspect of the meaning on jezebel may include a characteristic that you feel applies to Judy, but since there are many dimensions to the word, other uses of the word will

Re: [TruthTalk] Unjust?...Filthy?

2005-12-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Maybe you can trade that to Lance for his bridge. From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have a dodo farm near us. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you

Re: [TruthTalk] The Eternal Sonship and the Adoption heresey

2005-12-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, can you explain heretical ignorance to me? I always thought heretics claimed to more than others...not less! :-) Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Eternal Sonship and the Adoption heresey

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