All the answers to 'what' are in the Bible,
Dean?
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From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk
Sent: January 23, 2006 00:09
Subject: [TruthTalk] beginning
cd: Blaine I believe all the answers are in the
Bible DAVEH: What do you perceive the beginning
Who other than Israelites?
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From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 23, 2006 01:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Question
Regarding Covenants Salvation
DAVEH: The Lord made covenants with groups of people
Example? The triune God is creator of the cosmos. Creationism puts the
triune in a 'box' of our making.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: Linda Shields [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 22, 2006 16:55
Subject:
Please expand on 'personal covenant' DH.
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From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 23, 2006 00:16
Subject: [TruthTalk] Question Regarding Covenants Salvation
DAVEH: I would appreciate hearing from any TTers who
IFO see almost no comparison between the ministry of Jesus and the ministry
of Hinn.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 22, 2006 17:25
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and biblical language
cd:
I think the
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From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: January 22, 2006 14:23
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man
I think the stumbling block for those coming from a
viewpoint like Judy's is that Jesus could not have been an acceptable sacrifice
for
When one employs a text in order to address a
concern or, to make a point then, ONE HAS A DOCTRINE, JUDY.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 22, 2006 23:00
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of
God's Nature?
A point made some time ago to Judy. She didn't
understand it then and, she'll not understand it now.
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 22, 2006 23:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of
God's Nature?
cd:David Miller-Because I haven't preached at Hinns money fleecing
operations it seems that I am disqualified from answering for those whom
preach at Hinn money fleecing operations-but I will endeavor to get someone
here that has to better answer your questions as to why they believe God
had lead
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/22/2006 9:09:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?
Are you saying that Christ sinned and served Satan John? Notice 1John started by warning of deception-He
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/22/2006 9:29:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?
If Christ came in the fallen state He would have been a sinner-
First of all, Dean, Christ is God and Man.
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From: Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk
Sent: 1/23/2006 12:09:11 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] beginning
cd: Blaine I believe all the answers are in the Bible DAVEH: What do you perceive the beginning to be, Dean? I am asking this in context of Gen 1:1..[1] In the
cd: Everything that God wants us to know Lance.
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/23/2006 4:52:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] beginning
All the answers to 'what' are in the Bible, Dean?
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From: Dave Hansen
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From: Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/22/2006 12:32:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man
cd: No Bill -I did not completely understand Judy-I viewChrist as Wholly God Wholly Human and Judy does not. Not do I agree
Question:Let's say that everything that Bill Taylor
has been outlining these past weeks concerning Who Jesus Is is absolutely the
case and, there is yet more to be said. In spite of his valiant, lucid attempts
at explanation, most do not apprehend/believe what he's saying.What
question(s)
JD wrote:
Regarding Adam and Eve - if they did not have a
sinful nature before their decision to disobey the
Lord, they would have never disobeyed Him !!
What is your basis for this assumption, John?
Consider the following passage:
Ezekiel 28:15
(15) Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the
Judy wrote:
A sin nature and a fallen nature are one and
the same So far as humanity is concerned -
There is none righteous, no not one.
There is none righteous, no not one refers to sinful actions, not to a
sinful nature residing in the flesh. The passage does not include the man
Jesus,
By your same reasoning AE were not human beings
either then; they were not born
by procreation and neither was the second Adam.
Why don't you just let God be God and
His Word be true and every man a liar??
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:06:04 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A point
DaveH wrote:
Do you feel that there is a personal covenant
associated with salvation?
Yes.
David Miller
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
If you do not want to
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy wrote: A sin nature and a "fallen nature are one and
the same" So far as humanity is concerned - There is none righteous, no
not one.
"There is none righteous, no not one" refers to sinful actions, not to a
sinful nature residing in the flesh. The
DAVID:
Do you intend to answer my questions concerning your thesis?
Lancel
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 23, 2006 08:57
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?
JD wrote:
Regarding Adam and
Lance wrote:
IFO see almost no comparison between the ministry
of Jesus and the ministry of Hinn.
I don't know about your extreme view of NO comparison, but I certainly
don't find enough in the anecdotes that come my way to warrant me making too
much of an effort to know this man. At the
Lance wrote:
Do you intend to answer my questions concerning
your thesis?
Sorry, Lance. I have lots of unread messages. What thesis? What
questions?
David Miller
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
how you ought to answer every man.
In your economy Lance; I don't think or speak in those
terms. To me a "text" as you call it is
God's Word for which one either does or does not have
understanding. Man shall not live by
every "text/doctrine" but by every word that proceeds
from the mouth of God"
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 05:03:45
Thanks for the insight..into David Miller.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 23, 2006 09:14
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and biblical language
Lance wrote:
IFO see almost no comparison between the
Ph.D. thesis, David.
Title, chapter headings, availability to be read?
That one!
Lance
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 23, 2006 09:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?
Lance wrote:
Do
In that case Judy, you are wrong!
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 23, 2006 09:15
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of
God's Nature?
In your economy Lance; I don't
DAVEH: The Lord made personal covenants with Abraham.
Lance Muir wrote:
Who other than Israelites?
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Original Message -
From:
Dave
Hansen
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
January 23, 2006 01:25
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Question
DAVEH: My comment about Abraham in a parallel post is an example of
personal covenants. Is this concept foreign to Protestants?
Lance Muir wrote:
Please expand on 'personal covenant' DH.
Subject: [TruthTalk] Question Regarding Covenants Salvation
DAVEH: I would appreciate hearing
A personal note: I do beleive God attends the service of worship of any who lift their hands or hearts toward God. Per an emotional witness, I have "seen" God's presense at Hinn's wervices. On the other hand - Benny is quite fraudulent in his personal claims as a faith healer. The old "slain in
Well.with Israel.through
Abraham...Oh Oh it's the unilateral covenant things one more time.
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From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 23, 2006 09:47
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Question
Regarding
DAVEH: You are losing me with that comment, Lance. Do you not believe
the Lord makes personal covenants with individuals?
Lance Muir wrote:
Well.with
Israel.through Abraham...Oh Oh it's the unilateral covenant
things one more time.
-
Original Message
No
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From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 23, 2006 10:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Question
Regarding Covenants Salvation
DAVEH: You are losing me with that comment, Lance.
Do you not believe the Lord makes
And I agree with Debbie's analysis of the difficulty experienced by Judy. In addition, I think Judy's attachment to her thinking concerning the "generational curse" is a huge problem as well.
As for me, I just do not see a change in human nature with the event of the fall. In fact, the fall is
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:32:45 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And I agree with Debbie's analysis of the difficulty experienced by
Judy. In addition, I think Judy's attachment to her thinking
concerning the "generational curse" is a huge problem as well.
Not for me JD; the
Most of your 'wisdom', as you call it, Judy, comes
fromyour fertile imagination.Should you choose to equate that (your
imagination) with God, I can sort of live with that.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 23,
David Miller wrote:
There is none righteous, no not one refers to
sinful actions, not to a sinful nature residing in
the flesh. The passage does not include the man
Jesus, but this does not settle the question of whether
or not his flesh was like ours in the affections and
appetites that
You Lance, are obviously not familiar with the Word of
God. Your have been
tutored by the theological arguments put together by
men... so between your opinion
and spiritual reality there is a vast
gulf.
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:41:26 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Most of
That may be true of one of us, Judy. Methinks it is
thou!
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 23, 2006 13:32
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The fall -
Where's the beef ??
You
Lance wrote:
Ph.D. thesis, David.
Title, chapter headings, availability to be read?
That one!
In my biology program, we did not have a thesis for the Ph.D. We had a
dissertation. I never completed this part of the Ph.D. program; hence, I
never earned a Ph.D. My Master's thesis concerned
John, the concept of the fall and original sin is basic 101 theology.
Unfortunately, many of the modern theologians ignore the subject completely,
so it might appear to you to be only an assumption. Not true. There is
much literature on this, so much so that I hardly know which to point you
Thanks David.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 23, 2006 13:38
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy, Lance, Bill, John, David?
Lance wrote:
Ph.D. thesis, David.
Title, chapter headings, availability to be read?
That
The 1/3 2/3 thingy...speculation more than reality...right?
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 23, 2006 13:47
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] The fall - Where's the beef ??
John, the concept of the fall and
Things are really busy for me, right now. Don't get to write as much as I want.
See my comments below.
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:32:45 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And I agree with Debbie's analysis of the
No. I am simply speaking of the human nature versus the fallen nature.
James tells us how temptation works. Well, it works on us EXACTLY like it worked on Adam and Eve. If not , why not?
That being true, the fruit appealed to his "lust," and he decided to entertain this temptation until it
You have mine.
jd
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Question:Let's say that everything that Bill Taylor has been outlining these past weeks concerning Who Jesus Is is absolutely the case and, there is yet more to be said. In spite of his
As far as I know, temptation preceeds sin and sinning. And temptation appeals to personal desire (called "lust" by James). Human nature is sin nature. I do not mean to say that a sin nature sins !! Christ had this very nature - I believe you called it "sinful flesh" on several occasions in the
myth (all ppl from
the biblicalAEinc JC himself through his Momma from thier
fashioned dirt,are fromfashioned dirt: homo
sapiens)
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:00:41 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By your same reasoning AE were not
human ..either then
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DAVEH: As you probably know, I associate baptism with such a
covenant. How do you perceive it? (The covenant, that is.) And, do
you know if many Protestants believe in personal covenants relating to
salvation as well? (My guess is that they don't, and that you may be
the odd duck on this
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
cd This Universe/Time and all therein. The exceptions
being The GodHead,Heaven,and the Angles.
DAVEH: I understand you to mean that the pre-existence (where The
GodHead,Heaven,and the Angles were in existence) was not part
of the
Title: BENNY HINN, SATAN'S PROPHET
DAVEH: Lancedo you know if BH considers himself a Protestant?
BTWHarry Walther sure didn't have much good to say about BH,
eh!!! :-(
Lance Muir wrote:
BENNY
HINN: WOLF IN SHEEP'S
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Dave Hansen
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