"words Christ spoke", "words Bible says" =
TRUTH ?? ACTUALLY Dean, it is the interpretation that you've
drawn from both. This is pretty much hermeneutics 101.
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 06, 2006 16:58
Dean says "I AM RIGHT"!! The 'mantle' has been
passed from DM to CD.
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 06, 2006 16:58
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/6/2006 6:16:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
Actually, Dean, I have no reason to talk to someone whoclaims I make Jesus a liar. You can go straight to if you
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 6:48:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Dean says "I AM RIGHT"!! The 'mantle' has been passed from DM to CD.
cd:Lance I can back up what I state with the bible that makes me righteous therefore I
John stop implying that others should go to hell by stating"You can go straight..." and keep your discussions ona non-personal level. This is the second warning that point out a breach of the TT rules in this manner. There is a list of rulers at TT home page that can help you in this area-when
Something of interest for the student disciple:
http://www.thepaulpage.com/Summary.html
jd
Can't we all though, Dean? EVERYONE (even Lance
when pressed) can back up that which she/he says that the Bible says. Please
tell me that you know that, Dean?
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 07, 2006 07:31
Actually Dean, there is only one RULER
(dm).
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk
Sent: February 07, 2006 07:28
Subject: [TruthTalk] Moderator
John stop implying that others should go to hell by
stating"You can go straight..." and keep your
Dean writes: Bill for some reason I think
you know what I am saying to be the truth . . .
Dean, with all respect, you
are not in a position to make such a determination, as you have not examined the
argument from my perspective. Yours is a different paradigm altogether,
onewhich functions
And, yet, you have ignored most of the biblical arguments sent your way. If I have not addressed a truly biblical consideration, repost. Just keep in mind that your surmisings and "logical" deductions are not necessarily a function of truth.
And, Dean, if you cannot preach hope and salvationto
JT sinks to the bottom of the pond "being baptized into Christ"
is being baptized into his death, . . .
AND RESURRECTION!!
Down in his death. Up in his resurrection. Lest
you drown in the (metaphorical)pool!
Bill
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From:
Judith H
Taylor
To:
Are you going to stop insisting that I call Jesus a liar?
jd
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John stop implying that others should go to hell by stating"You can go straight..." and keep your discussions ona non-personal level. This is the
Dwight Friesen (Divine Dance...12/20/002) p.3: "God is neither male nor
female".
How can this be as we were created in the image of the Father and women were
created from a part of Adam? How can there be Father ,Son,and Holy Ghost when
the Father "is neither male nor female"-Your gospel is
By the way -- this is your first warning to me.
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John stop implying that others should go to hell by stating"You can go straight..." and keep your discussions ona non-personal level. This is the second warning
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/6/2006 10:19:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
in brute reality, Bro, (you, whoever) walkin' in holiness (or not) has nothin' to do with having 'fellowship w/ JC', below,
cd: Gary that is not
And what am I allowed to say in response to this drival:
I realize you are going to take this hard but out of caring for your souls I will continue on by saying you do not teach/preach the Christian Gospel.
Please enlighten us.
jd
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/6/2006 10:47:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
..ftr, 'perhaps '[one's] ownpriorities(dead set on contra-biblical concerns)' qualifies the substance of 'darkness'
cd: Webster dictionary of
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 6:48:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
"words Christ spoke", "words Bible says" = TRUTH ?? ACTUALLY Dean, it is the interpretation that you've drawn from both. This is
And he says he has no sin is a liar - I John 1:8
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 6:48:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
"words Christ spoke", "words Bible says" = TRUTH ?? ACTUALLY Dean, it is the
To all TT's -Any replies to the Moderater are to be sent in private [EMAIL PROTECTED].
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 7:55:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator
Actually Dean, there is only one RULER (dm).
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk
Sent: 2/7/2006 8:06:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator
Are you going to stop insisting that I call Jesus a liar?
Take this private John. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
jd
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Yes Dean, they do. And that MEANING would
be..?
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 07, 2006 08:12
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd
2 cd)
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I am not challenging your orders to me as a moderator.
I am addressing you as a member of TT who took the time to insist that I called my Lord a liar. Are you going to continue accusing me of speaking evil of Christ? I think this to be a fair question.
jd
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 7:54:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Can't we all though, Dean? EVERYONE (even Lance when pressed) can back up that which she/he says that the Bible says. Please tell me that you know that,
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 8:01:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
And, yet, you have ignored most of the biblical arguments sent your way. If I have not addressed a truly biblical
Dean says this:
a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
This next passage
CLARIFICATION PLEASE, DEAN: Are you saying
(meaning) that GOD IS MALE?
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 07, 2006 08:39
Subject: [TruthTalk] God Male?
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Dean writes: Bill for some reason I think you know what I am saying to be the truth . . .
Dean, with all respect, you are not in a position to make such a determination, as you have not examined the argument from my perspective. Yours is a different paradigm altogether, onewhich
Have you ever seen or heard of a female "father?" Lance
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:52:39 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CLARIFICATION PLEASE, DEAN: Are you saying
(meaning) that GOD IS MALE?
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From:
Dean
Moore
To:
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 8:27:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dean the man
I am not challenging your orders to me as a moderator.
I am addressing you as a member of TT who took the time to insist that
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 8:52:54 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God Male?
CLARIFICATION PLEASE, DEAN: Are you saying (meaning) that GOD IS MALE?
cd: Well He is the Father that Has a Son. He did create Adam (a male) in his
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 8:56:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God Male?
And why am I being addressed in your responce, Dean?
I expect you to do a better job of keeping up with my beliefs. If you are
Well..there's those 'friends' of DM @ UofF.
HOWEVER, I'd ask you, JT, what I asked Dean..is God the Father Male? and, just
what does that mean?
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From:
Judith H
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 07, 2006 08:59
Subject:
I think that I asked you a question and, you gave
me a 'smart answer', Dean. How 'bout giving me a straight (no pun intended DM)
answer, Dean? I ask 'cause I have some follow-up questions.
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 8:18:16 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
And he says he has no sin is a liar - I John 1:8
cd: Lance read the rest of it. It is speaking ofwhy one
But thetext says "Let us make man(kind) in our image, MALE AND FEMALE created He them."
jd
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 8:52:54 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God Male?
CLARIFICATION PLEASE, DEAN: Are you saying (meaning) that
Lance wrote:
"words Christ spoke", "words Bible says" = TRUTH ?? ACTUALLY Dean, it is the interpretation that you've drawn from both. This is pretty much hermeneutics 101.
cd: If that is to be true-thenthe words of the Biblehave no meaning-due to interpretation.Yet this gospelhas the
This timeit is John, not Lance, Dean. And verse 8 is in the PRESENT TENSE, not the past. "If you say YOU ARE HAVING not sin, you are a liar."
And in very 7, the blood of Christ "keeps on cleansing."Present time or past?
And the Heberw writer speaks of the sacrifice FOR SIN to be "once and
Then don't complain when I defend my self or accuse you of same.
John
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 8:27:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dean the man
I am not challenging your orders to me as a moderator.
I
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Lance wrote:Yes Dean, they do. And that MEANING would be..?
cd: You are asking for my interpretation but to do socould take from or add to the words Christ gave and I am
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: February 07, 2006 10:03
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
WHT How bizarre! I have never
heard this line of reasoning before (about imago Dei vs part of
Adam--am I understanding him?), even in
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 9:28:33 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God Male?
I think that I asked you a question and, you gave me a 'smart answer', Dean. How 'bout giving me a straight (no pun intended DM) answer, Dean? I
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 9:37:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God Male?
But thetext says "Let us make man(kind) in our image, MALE AND FEMALE created He them."
jd
cd: God was created man in His
cd: This is getting into the area of Moderator and needs to also be private.
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 9:50:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dean the man
Then don't complain when I defend my self or accuse
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 9:44:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
This timeit is John, not Lance, Dean. And verse 8 is in the PRESENT TENSE, not the past. "If you say YOU ARE HAVING
- cd: Again- Lance anybody that doesn't know better then to use the" F" word has nothingto offerthatI would want to learn from as a Bible student-Please send this back to her.
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: February 07, 2006 10:03
Subject:
Wow Dean! Shades of your 'conversation' with DH.
Are you applying the same censure to him? Does he also having nothing to say
worth listening to? Do you put cotton in your ears upon leaving the house?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To:
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: February 07, 2006 10:25
Subject: what they are doing
ironically, is creating God in Adam's
image.
D
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From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: February 07, 2006 10:27
Subject: So
does God have a penis?
After all, Adam did.
D
P.S. You can tell I am
getting steamed!
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- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: February 07, 2006 10:20
Subject: I am incredulous
This male God thing got me curious, so I went to the archives and looked at
this morning's messages on the topic. I could not believe my eyes.They've
got to be
Patience Dean, patience. You're becoming just a
little silly.
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From:
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 07, 2006 09:59
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd
2 cd)
1Jo 2:4
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 11:12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
Wow Dean! Shades of your 'conversation' with DH. Are you applying the same censure to him? Does he also having nothing to say
So your logic trumps Gen 1:27 " So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created he him; MALE AND FEMALE created He them." Is there something about this you disagree with? Do you not know that the word for "man" is better translated "mankind?"
jd
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From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: February 07, 2006 10:25
Subject: what they are doing
ironically, is creating God in Adam's image.
D
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Land sakes alive!!
Where is this girl at? She is obviously way out there someplace
...
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:04:48 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: February 07, 2006 10:03
Subject: RE:
I have preached this for years, Dean No one I know is the lest bit confused. Apparently you think that you have to keep all 613 of the commandments and I think that such a claim isafalse gospel.
Your message is not Good News to anyone who is a sinner and Christ died for that sinner - not for
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:11:26 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well..there's those 'friends' of DM @ UofF.
jt: I take it yourefer to those involved in
the perversion of what was good at the beginning..
HOWEVER, I'd ask you, JT, what I asked Dean..is
God
Mario Cuomo once said "As governor of NY I'm
pro-abortion and, as a believing Catholic, I'm anti-abortion. You figure it out,
Dean.
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 07, 2006 11:28
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
I pastored a church in the north state. We brought in a "guest" speaker and I asked that he housed with a particular family. They were poor folk but neat and clean. Very involved in the work of the church. But she refused to open her doors to this minister and his wife !! After some discussion,
So here we go round the mulberry bush
Back to the genitalia - some things never change. You ppl are earthly
minded and so are your friends...
Steamed or unsteamed...
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:14:03 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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From:
That is not what Dean is saying JD - why twist his words. The 613
laws are not God's Torah
You are not even sure what God's Law is yourself. Sin is a fact of
life present tense, but it should
not remain in the life of a believer, only those without understanding
and over and over the
AMEN!!! Hey Dean!
Can you imagine this? We are dealing with ppl who intimate that God
must be either
a hermaphrodite or a woman - and they say we are tainted by the
enlightenment and
that we are gnostic and/or dualistic? Sometimes I wonder if they own
a Bible much
less read/study it. judyt
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From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: February 07, 2006 12:19
Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
"way out there someplace"--heavens to Betsy! I was about to
say the same thing about Judy!
D
From: Lance Muir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Judith H Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 12:11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God Male?
AMEN!!! Hey Dean!
Can you imagine this? We are dealing with ppl who intimate that God must be either
a hermaphrodite or a woman - and they
cd: Is Jesus male or female John/Lance/Bill-If he is God as you say what is he?
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 11:52:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
I have preached this for years, Dean
cd: As there is no marriage or giving in marriage in heaven-why would one need that organ? Are you suggesting there is reproduction in heaven? If a person get castrated and loses that organ does that change his gender?
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From: Judith H Taylor
To:
We have been told again and again that all we have to do is read the text -- forget about interpretations; that interpretations are no more than someone adding to the Word. So, here is "law." We are to obey the "law" or go to hell (ps, sorry). So which is it, Judy. Do we interpret or read?
DM:Does a stance such as that being put forward by
JT CD ever embarrass you? Worse yet, do you concur with them?
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From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 07, 2006 12:23
Subject: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] Rightousness
(jd
From 'Henny Youngman's Giant Book of Jokes' "Take
My God, Please" (co-authored by Judith H Taylor and Dean Moore).
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 07, 2006 12:42
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd
2
And to think that we here on TT own most of the rough draft !!
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From 'Henny Youngman's Giant Book of Jokes' "Take My God, Please" (co-authored by Judith H Taylor and Dean Moore).
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From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 8:51:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rightousness (jd 2 cd)
Dean says this:
a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have
Dean, as far as my posting on 2Pet 2.1-22 is
concerned, I posted the verses which served to establish a context in terms of
its referents. I left most of the verses out because they rested upon other
verses to supply an antecedent. I clearly stated in my address that this was
what I was
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:23
PM
Subject: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] Rightousness
(jd 2 cd)
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent:
I'm receiving an abusive number of emails from you
all! Please stop!!
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From:
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:27
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Dean, as far as my posting on 2Pet 2.1-22 is
I'm receiving an abusive number of emails
from you all! Please stop!!
DAVEH: FWIW..I've thought the same at times too, Stephanie. But,
don't despairsimply try unsubscribing yourself by this approved
method..
If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an
John, don't lift verses out of context to try and prove that those in Christ
always keep sinning. Also, you must recognize the wide range of meanings
that the word sin has. Sometimes sin refers to an action. Sometimes sin
refers to a condition.
Consider carefully verse 7 8 in the full text
Stephanie, in order tobe taken off the
list,you may need to"send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be
unsubscribed."
Bill
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From:
Stephanie
Smith
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:43
PM
Subject:
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From: Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/7/2006 8:16:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Dean, as far as my posting on 2Pet 2.1-22 is concerned, I posted the verses which served to establish a context in terms of its referents. I left most of the
cd: Is Jesus male or female John/Lance/Bill-If he is God as you say
what is he?
Jesus is a man, Dean, and he is God -- two natures
in one person. Please stop confusing the two.
You createGod in Adam's image, and Judy calls
us earthly minded: what a joke! Have you considered how close you
cd: God was created man in His imagethen took a part from man
andchanged that part into women-who was to be the help-mate for man which
was taken out of man.Man was created from the ground and women was created from
a bone of man -Gen 2:22.
Adam is male; therefore, God must be male.
How
David writes: But if we walk in the light AS HE IS IN THE LIGHT (walk as Jesus Christ himself walked... without sinning), we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin (not SINS, but SIN, the condition in which we find ourselves).
John
in Hebrews, that
certain pplcurrently pursuing universal global peacerooted in
holinesswill 'see the the Lord' somedaymeans thatthese
pplare already 'following' the Lord himself, not(a) partic_holiness
teaching_
the word
'holiness', below, regardless of the textual
..the word 'follow'
in its biblical context is an eschatological verb the very eternal motion of
which becomes that trail through time space created byhe who is
generating a certain vital leadership
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 21:21:22 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
in Hebrews, that
..from the
Future
..the word 'follow'
in its biblical context is an eschatological verb the very eternal motion of
which becomes that trail through time space created byhe who is
generating a certain vital leadership
in Hebrews, that
certain pplcurrently pursuing universal global
And I think this comment to bejuxtaposed to Gary's:if you pursue something that is greater than yourself, when you "catch" it, it consumes you !!
I in you, you in me, they in us !! In this consumption, there is a blurr for some between relationship and blessing. Mr G explains the difference
Suppose, if you will, that the Ist letter of John is couched in the gnostic controversy. Is it possible that God chose the words for this letter (providentially speaking , of course) with such forethought as to find this letter having application for all time -- that these words have
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