Perry, If Elsman was being funny, it worked--it cracked me up. :-) Izzy
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Izzy, recall my comment on his humor escaping many? You response is a case
in point.
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Perry, I wasn't
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]You still are not
grasping Hubert's theology about women. You
misunderstand him. He did NOT oppress women. Hubert believed in
women preachers. He accepted Kathryn Khulman, and the one preacher I heard
him speak about more than anybody in his later
Tertullian
likened all women to Eve, calling them "the devil's gateway," "the
unsealer of that forbidden tree," and "she who persuaded him whom the
devil was not valiant enough to attack." It was because of Eve,
Tertullian argued, and therefore because of all womankind, that "God's
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Had I been a girl, I would have been the shame of the family.
In those days, my idea of the perfect woman was a beautiful blue eyed platinum blond deaf and dumb nymphomaniac that owned a liquor store.
I
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Meladrama is what we have here.
DavidM speaks as if we are supposed to know something about
HH. Who beat his wife? When?
Elsman admits that her mental problems were not the result of trauma. DavidM seems to be saying
exactly the opposite."Have you no decency?"
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wisdom.
The phrase "Love means never having to say you're sorry" comes from Jonathan Livingston Seagull, and
is New Age philosophy. We all err constantly and God holds us accountable so we are responsible
Judy,,
I believe the phrase Love means never having to say you're sorry comes
from Love Story, not Jonathan Livingston Seagull.
Perry
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Els: Corretamundo!!
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wisdom
Jim Elsman, Charles and Lance:
I stand corrected with regard to the origin of that
saying, you are right
it was Erich Segal who I believe is Jewish. Do a
"google" search and you
will find that it is used for everything out
there.
I still say that it is not godly wisdom.We are
accountable
Judyt: I was a sappy, sentimental movie of
yesteryear filled with, as you refer to it, "ungodly" wisdom. Blessings,
Lance
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Jim Elsman, Charles and Lance:
I stand corrected with regard to the origin of that saying, you are right
it was Erich Segal who I believe is Jewish. Do a "google" search and you
will find that it is
Elsman:
One thing is certain, my confidence is not in myself,
nor is it in anyman who is full of mixture.
My confidence rests in the fact that I know whom I have
believed and am persuaded that he is able
to keep that which I have committed to Him against that
day...
I don't set myself up as
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JUDY, HOW CAN WE TRUST ANYTHING YOU SAY IN THE FUTURE? YOU HAVE PROVEN YOURSELF FULL OF ERROR--AND YET, CONFIDENCE. YOU PROVE ONE THING---THE FALLEN NATURE OF IMPERFECT MAN (WOMEN). ---ELSMAN THE
Thanks for the information on HH and his wife. I agree with just about everything you say in this post. I just want the truth on this man. When you put his "accomplishments" side by side on the same page, they are more than noteworthy. Were all these things true, HH would have third party
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Elsman:
One thing is certain, my confidence is not in myself, nor is it in any man who is full of mixture.
My confidence rests in the fact that I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is
Elsman you are incorrigible;
I didn't mean "manure" I meantwhat I
said "mixture" which is what most of us
are unless you have found the "perfect" believer who is totally sanctified and fullyconformed to the 'image of
Christ' Until this happens we are
ALL "under construction" - works in
Elsman, You need to spend less time in the Mens
Room. Izzy
THIS HAS NOT BEEN A GOOD DAY FOR YOU. DID YOU MEAN TO SAY:
.NOR IS IT IN ANY MAN WHO IS FULL OF MANURE?
THAT IS THE ONLY CONSTRUCTION THAT MAKES SENSE. A FREUDIAN SLIP,
EH?
--ROTFWL
jt: The title of Hubert's book refers to those he is
addressing; he did not include himself in this category
so far as I can tell from reading the book and being a
product of Southern Baptist Uhe was probably a
Calvinist who believed "once saved always saved"
during this part of his ministry
of almost always adding a PS. And I have
come to appreciate his subtle humor, which I think escapes many.
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Izzy, this is the second or third time you have responded to Jim by
referencing the men's room. You seem to be the only one dwelling on
this.
And I must say, I was not offended
David Miller wrote:
You are so cruel to speak about him this way.
Judy wrote:
Is it cruel to question David?
I'm sorry if I came across a little sensitive. Imagine if you got in a
car accident, and then someone on this list said something to the
effect, What is wrong with Judy's husband?
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Judy wrote:
... from other objective first hand observations
Phoebe was afraid of people - and since perfect
love drives out fear someone's heart was not made
perfect in love.
I agree.
Judy wrote:
Judy wrote:
Mostly what I have found so far are contradictions
such as Elsman and his book saying he could drive
a car and DavidM claiming that he never learned to
drive and didn't drive at all.
Judy, I might be wrong about this in terms of never learning to drive a
car. On the other
Amazing Elsman, you amaze me
Look at the influence this man has had on you?
Look at how you judge women who have been set free in Christ?
If you were in his church and subjected yourself to his
ministry then his doctrine affected you. Evaluating his ministry is
notcruely judging the
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Elsman, You need to spend less time in the Mens Room. Izzy
THIS HAS NOT BEEN A GOOD DAY FOR YOU. DID YOU MEAN TO SAY: ".NOR IS IT IN ANY MAN WHO IS FULL OF MANURE"?
It's why his hair kept
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subtle
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy
wrote:Hubert may not have been as harsh as this personperceived but
he did not protect his own woman from the violence following him.
DavidM: Have you no decency? They beat his wife
and damaged her brain permanently, causing Hubert to have to
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judyt: Is it cruel to question David? Hubert's wife is a silent shadow in anything I've read so far (other than what Elsman has written). If she also suffered for the cause of Christ then why isn't this
Meladrama is what we have here. DavidM speaks as if we are supposed to know something about HH. Who beat his wife. When. Elsman admits that her mental problems were not the result of trauma. DavidM seems to be saying exactly the opposite."Have you no decency?" Lighten up. I am working on
] Hubert and women
Izzy wrote:
I wonder if Holy Hubert had the same attitude towards women
Hubert certainly did not believe in women being in authority over men,
but he loved and respected women preachers. When I spent a lot of time
with him around 1993-1994, he spoke with praise about one
Point well taken Lance; I've been doing a bit of research
myself onStreet Preaching after being exposed to some of them and their
Lawyer on TT. I'm still hoping that these are the exceptions rather than
the rule. They certainly do not treat women like the one they claim to
represent to the
Judy wrote:
Hubert may not have been as harsh as this person
perceived but he did not protect his own woman
from the violence following him.
Have you no decency? They beat his wife and damaged her brain
permanently, causing Hubert to have to commit her to a mental hospital.
And you blame
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Maybe you should turn TT into a "Men's Room" and invite Daniel back? Izzy
P Lzzz.
Izzy wrote:
I wonder if Holy Hubert had the same attitude towards women
Hubert certainly did not believe in women being in authority over men,
but he loved and respected women preachers. When I spent a lot of time
with him around 1993-1994, he spoke with praise about one particular
woman
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