: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection
DAVEH: May I assume you are
addressing DM???
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DAvid,
How is one saved and what do you mean with the use of that
term "saved?"
Is there a point in time when one is given the ability
DAVEH: May I assume you are addressing DM???
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DAvid,
How is one saved and what do you mean with the use of that term
"saved?"
Is there a point in time when one is given the ability (from
God) to resist all manner of sin?
You once said that
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DAVEH: May I assume you are addressing DM???[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAvid,
How is one saved and what do you mean with the use of that term "saved?"
Is there a point in time when one is given the ability (from God) to resist
Almost all of us do, DavidM being the sad
exception.
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I am appreciating what you have written, G. I
enjoy
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Gary wrote:
... consistently, there is no NT segment where law
and grace are considered on equal footing
Study the book of Romans a little more closely, paying special attention
:
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Almost all of us do, DavidM being the sad exception.
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Debbie Sawczak wrote:
I am appreciating what you have
written, G. I enjoy your rare forays into explicitude.
Debbie
If envy were not a sin, I would envy your ability to understand G. I
seldom have any idea
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FortranDeclarations
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I wish that you'd write more stories that come from your
life. (block party, going to a ball game, sitting on a curb eating ice cream
with your daughter, quilting) You write well
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Many writers on TT
are far more talented than this cat. But my husband thinks I should
write more. Am praying about it. Perhaps when I retire to the
country? J Thanks,
anyway. How about yourself? iz
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: [TruthTalk] Christian
Perfection
Debbie Sawczak wrote:
I am appreciating what you have written, G. I
enjoy your rare forays into explicitude.
Debbie
If
envy were not a sin, I would envy
I was distinguishing Terry's response from your's,
Debbie.
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Itwas certainly a compliment--but perhaps
Oh, sorry! I forgot that Terry's are always on the
bottom.
Debbie
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I was distinguishing Terry's
DAvid,
How is one saved and what do you mean with the use of that term "saved?"
Is there a point in time when one is given the ability (from God) to resist all manner of sin?
You once said that the cross only forgives past sins. Is that your opinion this day?
John
: July 05, 2005
08:52
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Christian Perfection
Many writers on TT are far more talented
than this cat. But my husband thinks I should write more. Am
praying about it. Perhaps when I retire to the country? J Thanks,
anyway. How about yourself? iz
From
Terry wrote:
No one could be perfect under the law.
We agree on that I think, because all have
sinned and come short.
Yes.
Terry wrote:
The picture remains the same in the new testament
with one important exception. We can be considered
perfect because of a perfect sacrifice that was made
David, I perceive that you are in error. I am teaching nothing. I am
giving my opinion. I have no arguement with what jesus said in chapter
five, but keep in mind that He was speaking to people still under the
law. At that time, it had not been fulfilled. He spoke of those who
kept the least
Seems we are discussing two separate issues
A Believers
STANDING
and
STATE
Which are you discussing?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Terry wrote: No one could be perfect under the law. We agree on that I think, because all have sinned and come short.Yes.Terry wrote: The picture remains
Terry wrote:
I am teaching nothing. I am giving my opinion.
I understand the humility here, Terry, and I don't want to split hairs on
this, but your opinion certainly can be taken to be teaching.
Terry wrote:
I have no argument with what jesus said in chapter
five, but keep in mind that He
Not exactly right. Nobody under law is in the kingdom of heaven, and he is speaking about those in the kingdom of heaven. I think we agree that righteousness does not come from the law.Kingdom Theology is clearly not your strong suit, David. Christ Himself was under the Law. Kingdom theology has
David Miller wrote:
Terry wrote:
I am teaching nothing. I am giving my opinion.
I understand the humility here, Terry, and I don't want to split hairs on
this, but your opinion certainly can be taken to be teaching.
You can take it any way you want it, or you can take
man has no such
covenant--you made this up; it's patenly unilateral and there's nothing in
biblical writng to justify such a comment
written law and
prophecy have always had one common mission motive and methodwhich JC
taught us smartly, e.g.:
If you, then, though you are evil, know
how
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man has no such covenant--you made this up;
it's
patenly unilateral and there's nothing in biblical writng to justify such a
comment written law and prophecy have always had one common mission
motive and methodwhich
Oophs! Big mistake - I stand
corrected, God's law is spiritual, it is not and never was temporal; I
mistakenly fell back to using Garys wording - sorry about that.
judyt
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David Miller wrote:
Not exactly right. Nobody under law is in the kingdom
of heaven, and he is speaking about those in the kingdom
of heaven. I think we agree that righteousness does not
come from the law.
John wrote:
Kingdom Theology is clearly not your strong suit,
David. Christ
Terry wrote:
Still those who were being spoken to were under
the law, as all Jews were, including Jesus, until the
moment that the veil in the temple was rent.
Coming out from the law and coming under Christ was happening before the
veil in the temple was rent. I have already given you some
David Miller wrote:
Terry wrote:
Still those who were being spoken to were under
the law, as all Jews were, including Jesus, until the
moment that the veil in the temple was rent.
Coming out from the law and coming under Christ was happening before the
veil in the
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David Miller wrote:
Not exactly right. Nobody under law is in the kingdom
of heaven, and he is speaking about those
your confusion
originates inreactionary writing, not in reasoned
reflection/s
no biblical author
dealt with 'grace granted by permission termed a covenant'
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Oophs!.. God's law is spiritual,
it is not and never
I am appreciating what you have written, G. I enjoy
your rare forays into explicitude.
Debbie
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Gary wrote:
... consistently, there is no NT segment where law
and grace are considered on equal footing
Study the book of Romans a little more closely, paying special attention to
chapters 2, 3, 5, 6, 7.
Time and time again, while Paul is distinguishing the covenant of grace from
the
Terry wrote:
We are blessed to belong to a God of grace who
not only demands righteousness but provides what
is needed to enable righteous.
I like the way you said that. Very nice.
Terry wrote:
Some day I will stand (or prostrate myself) before my
Lord, the guy who paid my price. If He
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I am appreciating what you have written, G. I enjoy your rare forays into explicitude.
Debbie
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DM falls prey to drama when employing terminology such as 'shocked' and
'wrong'. Relax Terry, he's just offering 'his' take on the matter. Maybe
yes. Maybe no. With the latitude David's expressed in the last while, I have
every confidence that such an expression of theological exactitude is his
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DM falls prey to drama when employing terminology such as 'shocked' and
'wrong'. Relax Terry, he's just offering 'his' take
Note to Terry: These words could have been spoken to Eve in the garden.
(Hear the hiss? Relax.)
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DM falls prey to drama when employing terminology such as 'shocked' and
'wrong'. Relax Terry, he's just offering 'his' take on the matter. Maybe
yes. Maybe no. With the
be not dismayed, Terry. I actually think your little paragraph is profoundly stated. At least it was ahelp to me.
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Lance, could it be that you can't relate to those dramatic words because
you have no deep sense of right and wrong? Or that you are not grieved
within by a brother in faith when he
David Miller wrote:
Terry wrote:
When God gave Moses the law, He knew that
it could not be kept. It was an impossible goal.
Something to strive for, but never attainable.
I see the command to be perfect in the same light.
We strive to be perfect. Some come closer than
others,
DavidM - glad we got this misunderstanding straightened out. My computer has been down due to the "trojan-byte" virus. A very persistent bug. I have nearly 500 posts to work through I will not try to respond to most of them -- just want to see what I missed. I do intend on replying to your post
David Miller wrote:
To my knowledge, I have never taken anything
that you have said personally. You have never
made a personal remark toward me that I can
remember.
John wrote:
I am curious. You were very critical of me for
slinging judgments and using ad hominem attacks.
by
heaven.. I think many Christians have it a bit backwards in their understanding of salvation...Until we reach heaven, it seems to me that we have the promise of salvation.
Perry
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D
David Miller wrote:
Do you really think God is blind to your sin?
Do others here who believe in the
Christians-continue-to-sin theology also think
that the atonement means that God does not see
your sin? From my perspective, this defies
reality. This is pure fantasy.
John wrote:
Hi John. After reading your post, it is very clear that we have
different personalities and different ways that we approach truth. I'm
going to comment on your post, but only to help explain where I am
coming from. I don't expect you to appreciate me much, but it is who I
am and it might help
Try it with your wife keep calling her Susie.
Especially during those special momentsI am sure she will appreciate it.
God never did mind a few details being wrong did he?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Perry
John wrote:
I do not understand your claim to sinlessness as
being a statement that you are better than others.
My claim to sinlessness? What are you talking about? When did I ever
claim to be sinless? I think you are confusing my theology with
somebody else's theology.
Peace be with you.
Confusion? Yes no. David: I believe that some thought that this was
exactly where you were going in your 1 John discussions. Blessings, Lance
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John wrote:
I do
Judy: "Calvinistic POV" I read Calvin (Institute
Commentaries) I appreciate Calvin. He is, I believe, one of
Christianity's important men of God. Have you read him? Do you "know" the
content of his work? If you do please substantiate your apparent dislike of
him/his work. If you don't
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:22:20 -0700 Dave
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"If every discussion in TT is
supposed to have the conclusion that one of the debaters is supposed to
concede to the argument of the other and change to thinking that way..then
in very short order, everybody
In a message dated 4/17/2004 10:28:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote:
... All I know is when I finish some of your responses
to me, they have left me more than frustrated.
I try to be challenging in my posts in order to bring about some
learning, so I am not
ven, it seems to me
that we have the promise of salvation.
Perry
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:59:27 -0700
DAVEH: ...In the LDS realm, grace is the
action Jesus did (I don't think I worded it very well) that makes it po
No I havent. Can you tell us more about
what you like about it? Izzy
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Has anyone
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Question DaveH, can the blood of Jesus cover the sin of murder?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH, I know you say you are not on TT to espouse your Mormon Theology, but isn't that what you are doing with Terry below?
DAVEH: Hmm
My cat has decided to ignore that comment as coming from a grossly inferior
Species..Izzy
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I do not think that I am any better than you or anybody else on this
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Has anyone heard of Care of Souls by David Benner? A book on dream works from a Christian perspective.
John
Actually, I cannot. I am on a Christian psych list (although I am not a mental health provider) and someone mentioned this book
In a message dated 4/17/2004 10:28:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To my knowledge, I have never taken anything that you have said
personally. You have never made a personal remark toward me that I can
remember.
I am curious. You were very critical of me for slinging
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My cat has decided to ignore that comment as coming from a grossly inferior
Species..Izzy
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I do not think that I am any better
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Charles Perry Locke wrote:
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To add just one more thing. These questions always happen to be on subjects where Mormonism departs from the Christian faith and are designed to create a premise that once accepted lead to further LDS doctrine. If you know LDS doctrine you can see them coming a MILE away!Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL
Sure He sees your sin!
But he does not IMPUTE it to those that are Blessed!
Romans 4
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Smithson wrote: God does not see this sin -- it is covered.This idea is what I have serious problems with. Do
: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:59:27 -0700
DAVEH: ...In the LDS realm, grace is the action Jesus did (I don't think I worded it very well) that makes it possible for us to be saved. Had he not atoned for our sins, nor been resurrected
This is LDS salvationTYPE 1 "RESURECTION"
All people will be ressurected in spite of their actions or faith even unbelievers heretics. Sort of like Jesus opened the door, without him no one can progress.
This is only the beginning, they must proceed with "EXALTATION" TYPE 2 to get to the
DavidM the citation is from the BOM, which is an obvious lifting of Ephesians 2:8-9
2 Ne. 25: 2323For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we
I am into my busy season and sometimes there are a few long days. The past several days, it is eat, sleep and work. For an old guy, that is hard. Hey, works a curse.
But I am back, for what it is worth.
John
David Miller wrote:
What did I say in any of my posts that causes you
to
In a message dated 4/14/2004 6:50:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perry clarified:
John, if your Christ is the brother of Satan, the literal son of a god
who was once a man who comes from the planet Kolob, then they may very well
be the same christ. But, if your Christ
In a message dated 4/14/2004 6:55:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A heartfelt amen to these words. When I was a kid ( I can just barely remember), the church I attended taught a 5 step "plan of salvation." Then I moved on and that was great, because the "plan of
In a message dated 4/14/2004 7:39:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This idea is what I have serious problems with. Do you really think God
is blind to your sin? Do others here who believe in the
Christians-continue-to-sin theology also think that the atonement means
that
Here is something I do agree with DavidM. DavidH IS a Mormon. I would expect him to refer to that teaching from time to time. He is great, i believe, in supporting his doctrine with KJV, leaving out of the discussion (generally speaking) the other Mormon writings.
John
In a message dated
Welcome back, old guy.
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I am into my busy season and sometimes
there are a few long days. The past
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Welcome back, old guy.
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Looks like the new threads are interesting. I believe I will watch and read for a while -- but be it known that I am not far away. Good looking
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Sure He sees your sin!
But he does not IMPUTE it to those that are Blessed!
Romans 4
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
David Miller
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John Smithson wrote:
God
Kevin, surely you arent considering
it? DaveH isnt really that
bad.is he? Izzy
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Question
John,
Work is a blessing. Working 7 days a week
is a curse.
Izzy
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I am into my
In a message dated 4/17/2004 9:05:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John,
Work is a blessing. Working 7 days a week is a curse.
Izzy
I am trying to believe !! Can we say cortisone shot -- woe is me ?
And Izzy --- if pastor Chris chooses not to practice I Cor
ROTFLOL
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Kevin,
surely you arent considering it? DaveH isnt reallythat
bad
.is he? Izzy
Question
DaveH, can the blood of Jesus cover the sin of murder?
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If you wish to
Hi John. I feel that this one paragraph you wrote has a lot of spin on
it, so I just want to try an frame it a little more objectively.
John wrote:
From time to time I see or I think I
see a condenscending spirit.
I do not think that I am any better than you or anybody else on this
list
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do not think that I am any better than you or anybody else on this
list (well, maybe I think I'm better than Izzy's cat), so perhaps what
you are seeing are just terse opinionated statements and nothing
Has anyone heard of Care of Souls by David Benner? A book on dream works from a Christian perspective.
John
s of those
participating.
Perry
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Perry wrote:
... I just cringe when
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:05:30 -0700
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH,
I know you say you are not on TT to espouse your Mormon Theology,
but isn't that what you are doing with Terry below
: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:09:01 -0700
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:05:30 -0700
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH,
I know you say you are not on TT to espouse your
Wm. Taylor wrote:
Dave, I think we've discussed this
before, but let's do it again. What do you believe happens to little
children who die before coming to faith, repentance, and obedience. Are
they lost?
DAVEH: No, I don't believe such. But it seems to me that is the way
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who's left but you?
DAVEH: Only those who endure to the end, g.
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:59:27 -0700
DAVEH: ...In the LDS realm, grace is the
action Jesus did (I don't think I worded it very well) that makes it
possible for us to be saved. Had he not atoned for our sins, nor been
resurrected so we too can
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated
4/13/2004 7:40:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So.to me,
fellowship does not start and end with Church.it begins with Jesus
and crosses most all boundaries.
A heartfelt amen to these
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Perfection
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:05:30 -0700
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH,
I know you say you are not on TT to espouse your Mormon Theology, but
isn't that what you are doing with Terry below?
DAVEH: Hmm.I'm
Lance wrote:
If it is clear to you what an rb is and, that this
is one then may I ask if you've ever fundamentally
changed your mind on an rb of similar magnitude.
I am not that familiar with regulative belief, other than what you
shared in that one post. It seems like regulative belief is
David: I have in mind the subject under discussion with William. So,
something of that magnitude re:your Christian Belief System (sorry for the
word system). Blessings, Lance
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Dave wrote:
Terry Clifton wrote:
DAVEH:
You are suggesting LDS theology adds to the requirements, yet
you seem to have requirements for salvation too, do you not Terry? It
seems to be a matter of where the line is drawn in your theological
world. In the LDS
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Perry wrote:
... I just cringe when you say (type) that you are
not hear [sic] to teach LDS theology, then you teach
LDS theology.
I understand Dave to be saying that the reason he
Terry Clifton wrote:
Dave wrote:
DAVEH: How do you perceive Jesus' comment..
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
...Do you perceive endurance unto the end to equate to
faith/repentance? To me, this comment suggests
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:37:50 -0700 Dave
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[re:]..a saved Christian who
converts to Mormonism...
there is no way anybody could persuade
such a person to do this
you have no clue about the role
of the Holy Spirit in conversion to Christ--try
John wrote:
Even though DavidM believes in sanctification, he is
not perfect and his imperfection comes to light in much
of his discussion.
Are you saying that you have observed immorality within me because of
this discussion?
I have said that I am not perfect in knowledge. Nobody is or
DaveH wrote:
In the LDS realm, grace is the action Jesus did (I don't
think I worded it very well) that makes it possible for us
to be saved. Had he not atoned for our sins, nor been
resurrected so we too can enjoy that gift.then nothing
we could do on our own could bring salvation
DAVEH:
You are suggesting LDS theology adds to the requirements, yet
you seem to have requirements for salvation too, do you not Terry? It
seems to be a matter of where the line is drawn in your theological
world. In the LDS realm, grace is the action Jesus did (I don't think
I worded it very
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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writes:
Bill,
Funny, I thought the discussion between you and David
was about Greek translations, but now I realize it was really all about
you. Guess that
My perception is that nobody can be saved with this attitude that
Mormons and many Protestants have. Many of us here believe in
repentance from dead works. This is a deep realization that we can do
NOTHING. Only by a person realizing that all his efforts are vain and
dead can he put the kind
implications. It is certainly an imperfection on my part.
What do you think about this?
bill
- Original Message -
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:43 AM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christian
Perfection
John wrote: Even tho
In a message dated 4/13/2004 3:44:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What have I said in this discussion that constitutes sin in your eyes?
Please quote it for me. It is very easy for you to sling ad hominem
insults and judgments, but it takes a little more effort to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated
4/12/2004 6:23:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: So Terry, do
you think a saved Christian who converts to Mormonism has lost
their salvation?
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