Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-07 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/6/2004 11:38:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do we need a Savior, or what? Terry Soemtimes when we pray (wife and I) we mention our thanks for His repeated patiencd and ask that He never refuse to continue with us (knowing of course that He will

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-07 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/6/2004 9:48:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Except I usually feel more like a goat than a scapegoat. :-D Just don't take it personally . John

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-07 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/6/2004 9:48:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Except I usually feel more like a goat than a scapegoat. :-D Just don't take it personally . DAVEH: I don't, John. But every time I look in

RE: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil In a message dated 4/7/2004 7:03:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: I don't, John. But every time I look in the mirror, I'm reminded

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-07 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/7/2004 10:29:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: being transformed into the same image from glory to glory A most important verse. We are all in the process of being transformed. We know the scriptures teach that we have been saved, are being saved, and

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Lance Muir
e of the case up to the point of our "departure". Also, I believe that any discussion of sinlessness and humanity in the same sentence may be applied only to that Vicarious Humanity of Jesus. Blessings, Lance To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 06, 2004 00:37 Subj

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Lance Muir
"Being part of..." Sure! However, I apparently live and work with people who do reflect, daily, this "admixture" of which I spoke.Before you consign these people to the kingdom of darkness let me add that they are believers. I find such in the church, workplace, parachurch groups, on this

Re: [TruthTalk] Resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Lance Muir
Answer: An unequivocal resounding NO to both!!(visa vis example greater works). I do understand what you and some others are alluding to, I just don't believe that the Scriptures are doing the same. Lance - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Lance Muir
"The words of Jesus plain and simple". Many with Him didn't "get it". Many since (2,000 yrs) haven't "gotten it". "Plain and simple" just won't cut it. In this response I'm not referring to unbelievers. To KNOW HIM is to know His Word not necessarily His Words. This, to me, is an obvious

Re: [TruthTalk] Resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Lance Muir
Judy, I can see just how uncomplicated you believe it all to be. Thankfully, due to the truthfulness of tacit knowing (oops) you are apprehending HIM even through this panoply of citations that often don't reflect the meaning youascribe to them. As God is gracious one is able to display

Re: [TruthTalk] Resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Lance Muir
The "devil" has nothing to fear from either of us (one animate, the other inanimate). He does however fear Jesus (see scripture). Only through His victory and his indwelling are we capable of being "fear-free". Good "shot" by the way Judy.Though not a direct "hit" I did sense it whiz by my

Re: [TruthTalk] Resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Lance Muir
It's hard to believe that it used to be referred to as "Toronto the good" eh? Blessings, Lance - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 06, 2004 08:09 Subject: [TruthTalk] Resist the devil From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread David Miller
John wrote: I put it this way -- Before Christ, I practiced sin and committed acts of righteousness. After the cross in my life, I practice righteousness and commit acts of sin. The problem I have with this definition is that it is contradicted by the Bible. Following are just a few

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/5/2004 9:18:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says,"Resist the devel and he will flee from you". Just wondering. Has anyone on this list had the devil flee from her/him? Terry Actually

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2004 11:22:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Discussions on the matter of the will, our human will that is, have ranged from "bondage" to "freedom". There is, it seems to me, one consideration of "will" that borders on indisputable - self will. I

RE: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
Frequently. (Sometimes it's a bit harder to chase of G) :-) How about you? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] resist the devil The Bible

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/6/2004 2:27:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: So being part of the New Creation with old things passed away and all things becoming new has no place in your theology Lance? What a dismal prospect. jt Romans 6:11 admonishes us to consider

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/5/2004 8:05:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says,"Resist the devel and he will flee from you". Just wondering. Has anyone on this list had the devil flee from her/him? Terry

RE: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
is not in us. Perry From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] resist the devil Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:39:58 -0400 John wrote: I put it this way -- Before Christ, I practiced sin and committed acts of righteousness. After

RE: [TruthTalk] Resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: ... If it is positive thinking or a blatant denial of reality that is being spoken here... No, we are speaking about the reality of Christ being manifested to take away our sins. Christ not only forgives, but he cleanses of unrighteousness. We speak something that is contrary to

RE: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his

Re: [TruthTalk] Resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Lance Muir
bunch. Lance - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 06, 2004 11:41 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Resist the devil Lance wrote: ... If it is positive thinking or a blatant denial of reality that is being spoken here... No, we

Re: [TruthTalk] Resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Lance Muir
we participate in His sinless vicarious humanity. We ourselves do not become sinless. Jesus The Undoing of Adam says what I mean by this. Lance - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 06, 2004 11:41 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Resist

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/5/2004 11:22:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Discussions on the matter of the will, our human will that is, have ranged from "bondage" to "freedom". There is, it seems to me, one consideration of "will" that

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-06 Thread Knpraise
Thanks Perry for posting this. I missed the response. In a message dated 4/6/2004 9:18:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote: I put it this way -- Before Christ, I practiced sin and committed acts of righteousness. After the cross in my life, I practice

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2004 8:05:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says,"Resist the devel and he will flee from you". Just wondering. Has anyone on this list had the devil flee from her/him? Terry It happens. But I guess this means that when I sin, it is my

Re: [TruthTalk] resist the devil

2004-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2004 9:18:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Bible says,"Resist the devel and he will flee from you". Just wondering. Has anyone on this list had the devil flee from her/him? Terry Actually another thought came to my little pea brain. I do not