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Why scary? B
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Very
of the lawn.
Blaine
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Because I dont think
the same voice speaks to you that speaks to me. Theres the voice of the Holy
Spirit, a
: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI
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(Blaine Borrowman) Blaine. Was it Lance
who was saying that your Christ is different from my Christ? I believe you
said that you believed in Christ so
ROFL!!!
Thats priceless. J Izzy
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Izzy,
Yes, I am aware of your perceptions, have been for a long
time--how could I miss it? LOL But you are wrong. The big
surprise was all mine,
1 JN 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
When the spirits say different things there is some lying going on.
Proverbs 27 A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple
Great wonderful bravo!
You guys fawn over one apostate after another.
James 2 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great, well said, wonderful, bravo. Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Finance Tax Center -
Kevin, Past, Kevin. Remember to look for the
context. I'm being sarcastic here. Get it?
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Great wonderful bravo!
You
er to look for the context. I'm being sarcastic here. Get it?
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Great wonderful bravo!
You guys fawn over one apostate after another.
James 2 But if ye ha
Drop it Kevin. Unless Iam confused about Who
you are,I don't need to. Please stop trying to cause trouble.
Bill
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And I
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Everyone has stuff that just comes
to them - where it comes from is the question.
This is why believers should have spiritual
discernment
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And I am talking about your love for one heretic after another.
You still have not produced one shred of evidence that the men their thoughts thatyou idolizeare
Why scary? B
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Very scary,
Blaine. Iz
Blaine: This is very
interesting Izzy. I have had similar
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_a five letter word_
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I stand corrected. What's the point?
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I just wanted to say that I appreciate the things being
shared. This thread of discourse is most revealing.
There arethe originators of knowledge, those who
experience or discover it first hand. And then there are the purveyors of
knowledge, who pass along what others say without first
, March 26, 2004 8:25
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I just wanted to say that I appreciate the things being
shared. This thread of discourse is most revealing.
There arethe originators of knowledge, those who
experience or discover it first hand. And then there are the
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I just wanted to say that I appreciate the things being
shared. This thread of discourse is most revealing.
There arethe originators of knowledge, those who
experience or discover it first hand
know what was being
said? Not to be inconsiderate -- I didn't.
Welcome and call again,
Bill
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Gary,
Bill's sentence below was contextualized in his
be
understood because what he says makes no sense to begin with. You pick. Izzy
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Thank you, Sherrie.
I think
Thank you. That will help me to begin to learn how
to accept him. You nailed it:that is tolove him.
Bill
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Sherri
personality
types using astrolgy. No other personality theory can account for so much
human variability.
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Watching the stars helps us determine time
apologies for any confusion I may have
caused.
Bill
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In a
message dated 3/26/2004 7:31:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL
Watching the stars helps us determine time, the seasons, etc.
Astrology does not have theories about the universe. A theory is
testable and the results of those tests are reproducable by other trained
scientists. Astrological myths are not the same as a theory.
I don't believe
Vince wrote:
Watching the stars helps us determine time, the seasons, etc.
But what about the signs. The Bible mentions not just times and
seasons, but signs. What do you think that means?
Josephus noted that the destruction of Solomon's temple happened on the
exact same date as the
ime in all of Scripture that Jesus encouraged us to mislead
one another. Can you help me out here?
Bill Taylor
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Bill wrote:
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_a five letter
word_
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:45:47 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" [EMA
whilePolanyi criticizes
subjectivity,you fluidlyembracesubjectivismand,
therefore,teachpeople, falsely; e.g.,:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:24:04
-0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I came to..understanding by a
revelation concerning 1 Cor. 2:6-7...[in which] there
is much overlap..
disagree, DavidM; knowing the source of
certain valid doctrine, acc to JC,is only contingent upon something
afollowerdoes, not at all contingent on, e.g.,
philosophy,experience/s in which the follower is already trained or
otherwise (unwittingly:) engrossed
ftr, this comment is germane
Vince wrote:
Theology is more like math than science
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Math is the language of science.
Without math, science cannot do what it does. Maybe you can elaborate
on what you had in mind when you said that theology is more like math
than science.
Vince wrote:
you
Science needs math, but math doesn't need science.
Mathematicians and theologians both can and often do start with
premises which they find interesting but are not necessarily rooted in
the real world, then they follow out the logical implications of those
premises. The analogy breaks
ffice
for now.
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Science needs math, but math
doesn't need science. Mathematicians
and theologians both can and often do start with pre
Blaine: Good reasoning, as usual, David--good backup scriptures, too
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Gary wrote:
... you fluidly embrace subjectivism
Vince wrote:
The analogy breaks down in that theologians'
conclusions can be tried against God's truth
as revealed in the bible, but there's no way
that I know of to check the conclusions of
mathematicians.
Didn't you ever work on proofs in math class? Math is strictly
deductive (isn't
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Your comments actually show your almost total ignorance of the subject of Astrology--I could say much more, but will suffice for now.
two things: I'll bet (and I am a betting man) that vince is somewhat
Wow! Bill, that was a fantastic read. Thank you for taking the time to write it.
I have often taught that words only approximate truth and can never really explain
truth precisely. The greatest truths remain a mystery when expressed in any language.
I came to this understanding by a
Vince wrote:
No offense, but this seems to fall into the category
of what many call psychobabble. I guess my brain is
just not suited to philosophy.
Everyone's brain is suited to understand the things discussed in Bill's
post. The problem is that some background for the relevance of what is
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:24:04 -0500 "David
Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I came to..understanding by a revelation
concerning 1 Cor. 2:6-7...[in which] there
is much overlap.. with what you
shared about Polanyi. The terms explicit knowledge
and tacit knowledge will
certainly help me
Yes.
Theology is more like math than science; you start with an
assumption or set of assumptions, regardless of how much they do or do
not seem to reflect a real-world situation, then you derive conclusions
from those assumptions. (The final conclusions drawn by theologians can
be
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:33:29 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:(The final conclusions drawn by theologians
[about 'science' and/or magic, as in
(e.g.) the
case of the OT's Daniel]can be checked for
validity by comparing them with truth as
presented by God in the
bible.)
(and when you do
,
Bill Taylor
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Wow! Bill, that was a fantastic read. Thank
you for taking the time to write it. I have often taught
hmmm..
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:24:04 -0500 "David
Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I came to..understanding by a
revelation concerning 1 Cor. 2:6-7...[in which] there
is much overlap.. with what you
shared about Polanyi. The terms explicit knowledge
and tacit knowledge
G, you would have to understand not only "subjectivism" but also
the Lordship of Christ to understand why your "but" doesn't get it.
Bill
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writes to BB:
..why not let the Lord work in
mysterious ways and us marvel at
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[re: someone
misunderstanding]"subjectivism"
how so?
it'sunfathomable where the
misunderstanding could be, Bill, e.g.:
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2004
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[re: someone
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how so?
it'sunfathomable where the
misunderstanding could be, Bill, e.g.:
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Polanyi doesn't teach subjectivity, G. That's the
point. You would have to know him to know that. Why are you so upset? What's
troubling you, really.
Bill Taylor
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Subject: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE
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Bill: This is what the search engine turned up for Mars Hill. "For what
man knoweth the things of a man, save the spir
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"So what new thing can Polanyi come up with that God is
unaware
of?"judyt
I don't think he came up with anything that God is
unaware of, Judy. But I think he
had much to say about the things of God that you
are unaware of.
jt: Not so Bill -Polyani had
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Bill: This is what the search engine turned up for Mars Hill. "For what
man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
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"So what new thing can Polanyi come up with that God
is unaware
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"So what new thing can Polanyi come up with that God
is unaware
of?"judyt
I don't think he came up with anything th
Thanks Lance. Good advice. I think I'll take
it.
Bill
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So then, are you telling me that Jung is sitting
. Rest those
tired bones, Judy. The days are piling up, getting longer.
Bill
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So then, are you telling me that Jung is sitting on
your throne?
jt: Are you kidding? Jung was
into the occult big time. He had
familiars spirit by the name of
Philemon, Anima and Animus from
whom he received what wisdom he
dispensed to others. There
Judy, I thought you were going to "clear the air of Polanyi" and "lift up Jesus for
a
change."
Praise the Lord,
Bill Taylor
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The Truth has been THROUGHLY MANIFESTED w/o Polygymy or Polyanyi in SIMPLICITY!
2 Co 11 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we
other than yourself might have something important to say. Rest those tired bones, Judy. The days are piling up, getting longer.
Bill
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From: &
Careful Kevin you touch their idol and you will be
relegated with me and my
Shirley Temple curls - along with the scowl,
concordance, and topical Bible :)
You'll have the Epicureans and the LDS on your case
but you can count it joy
to suffer for the sake of the Lord so it's not all doom
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Wait a second I thought you were so timid when you first enetered this
forum.
David Miller admonished us to something like take it easy on you and you
might give us
Bill: This is what the search engine turned up for Mars Hill. Imagine others having to interpret what he was talking about? "For
what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?"
(1 Cor 2:11). I notice your theologian Torrance is one of Polanyi's
interpreters.
Kinda sounds like a "Zen the art of motorcycle maintenance" thing.
http://www.oberlin.edu/stlife/For%20Students/Spirituality/Z/Spirituality%20Book%20List%20z.html
This "silent knowledge" is it the same or similar to Gnosticism?
Self awareness?
... Michael Polanyi's ... ideas are based
on the belief that all knowledge is either
tacit (silent and unspoken) or rooted
in tacit knowledge.
I never heard of Polanyi until this forum introduced me to his name,
however, never fearing to rush in where angels fear to tread, I'll say
eaning.
Thanks. I hope this is helpful.
Bill
Taylor
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... Michael Polanyi's ... ideas are based
on the belief that all knowledge is eithe
this is helpful.
Bill Taylor
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... Michael Polanyi's ... ideas are based
on the belief that all knowledge is either
tacit (silent and unspoken
questions, I will be glad
to work you through them.
Bill Taylor
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If this was meant for me, then it was wasted. I recognize that the
words
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