I loved Florida - even the heat and storms. The people were so friendly. We stayed in a kid- friendly place the second week and at the Marriot in Tampa the first week. Renting a van from Tampa to Orlando was a pain but everything else was a great experience. I have this "thing" though - I really
to the rescue!!!
Just wait--your day is coming, Grandpa Bruce!
Izzy
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Since the new covenant made the firstold, decayed and
ready to vanish away (Heb.8:13) neither Jews nor Gentileshave any direction
from God to construct any sort of "temple" or "sanctuary"for gatherings of
new covenant saints!
Bruce,
So you believe that the whole OT is null and void now?
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Bruce,
So you believe that the whole OT is null and void
now? Funny, I was under the impression that the first century Believers
(including Jesus) worshipped at temples, honored the Sabbath, and believed
that Torah was eternal. But now it
I would like to address several of the comments made about house church
and institutional church. I think my perspective falls somewhere
between the extremes expressed.
I perceive that God works in both. I also perceive that Satan works in
both. Man also works in both. :-) So you won't
for breakfast!) :-)
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Izzy:
Our church has no pastor. Many
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Izzy, you say home churches are hard to find...but
I'll bet there'sone in your living room just waiting for you and your
friends to attend!
Hi Grandma Izzy!
Georgia peaches and ice cream make a great breakfast! My wife and I are
enjoying our first grandchild at every opportunity we get, a beautiful 5
month old bundle of joy! What a treasure they are!
You wrote:Let me put it this way--I, as a female woman-person, do not feel
that
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The best organized experience I had was in
a home church as well... in Wisconsin. We had a "facilitator" who helped
keep us on track and who would study the passage before hand and have a
Hi Kay I just got back from Florida and was about 80 miles from the Miller's. You are right about it being warm!!! LOL They have some wonderful light shows in the form of thunder and lightening too! Glad you are near friends and family. Laura
Bruce,Hi Grandma Izzy!Excuse me, but
it is "Grandmother". :-) (Don't confuse me with thegrannies in
the family.)Georgia peaches and ice cream make a great
breakfast! My wife and I areenjoying our first grandchild at every
opportunity we get, a beautiful 5month old bundle of joy! What a
Hi Grandmother! I'm the Gramma on the list. I thought 2,4 and 9 were a handful- 3 under 5 sounds like a nightmare!!! Just kidding. I love my girls and if I could lower the volume level I'd be content!!! I'm anxious to find out whose covering you are under. I don't have a hubby and if I'm not
Hi Grandmother Izzy,
Please pardon my improper designation of your relation to your little
peaches!
Our grandchild is a little girl, Marika.
You asked:What in your estimation is a pastor?
First of all, the singular form of the word is NEVER used in scripture to
designate any other
It probably offered a salary.
shalom
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Hi Laura,
You wrote:Believe me if my church taught false doctrine I'd be looking for
another place to worship.
Dear Sister, does your church teach and ractice:
-that the church is to be lead by the pastor?
-that the pastor is hired
I'm back - I was away on church related business and then a vacation to the forbidden land! Both weeks were great! I still am happy with my present church and have no problem with you worshipping in a "home setting". Whatever floats your boat! I would have a problem if you said home churches were
Hi Laura,
Welcome back!
You wrote: I still am happy with my present church and have no problem with
you worshipping in a home setting. Whatever floats your boat!I would
have a problem if you said home churches were the only way to worship.
Dear Sister, Is our happiness with a situation the
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Hi Laura,
Welcome back!
You wrote: "I still am happy with my present church and have no problem with
you worshipping in a "home setting". Whatever floats your boat! I would
have a problem if you said home
What right do you have to say that my church has many false teachings and practices? Laura
I think it was you who said that if you found that your church held false
doctrines, you'd soon be finding another church. But you haven't responded
to my questions about many false teachings and
Hi Laura,
You wrote:OK Let me rephrase that! GOD has not told me to change my method
of worship!
The point is not whether He told you to change, but rather did He give you
scriptural guidance to commence your current method of worship in the
first place?
In other words is the system, in
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Hi Laura,Welcome back!You wrote: "I still am
happy with my present church and have no problem wit
None of you have any idea where I worship and how I worship and how my church functions. You are jumping to conclusions. I refuse to be pulled in. Laura
Laura:
God has given you overwhelming evidence in His word. He has told you how to gather with other believers and be the Church. He has
No, you refuse to be pulled out.
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None of you have any idea where I worship and how I worship and how my church functions. You are jumping to conclusions. I refuse to be pulled in. Laura
Laura:God has given you overwhelming
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The point is not whether He told you to change, but rather did He give you
scriptural guidance to commence your current "method of worship" in the
first place?
Yes God opened doors for me to be able to
But Im not a qualified pastor. J Izzy
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But Im not a qualified pastor. J Izzy
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is better.
Terry
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comments).
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Izzy:
Our church has
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why did he do
*that*?
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the best church experience I ever had was in a
Wonderful home church. I wont elaborate on all the reasons why.
However *the leader of that church took a pastorate in a church
Woodford
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Hi
Laura,
You
wrote:Believe me if my church taught false doctrine I'd be looking
for
another
place to worship.
Dear
Sister, does your church teach
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Hi Laura,
You wrote:"Believe me if my church
David Miller wrote:
Laura wrote:
How wrong you are. We give a huge amount
to outside giving and that doesn't count
ministry within the church.
Hi Laura. What are the actual numbers? Do you have a financial report
we could look at?
DAVEH: Hey DavidM..why ask Laura? Why not
Terry wrote:
Very little of your money is being used for
the kingdom. Most of it goes to the bank that
holds the mortgage, the flower shop, the secretary,
the janitor, the guy who sprays for bugs and the
electric and phone company.
Laura wrote:
How wrong you are. We give a huge
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Even that outside giving that you mention, how much of it
is actually given to people in need?
I do have a financial report but I don't have a scanner. 7% of outside giving for Foreign Missions goes to
Hi Laura. What
is the total budget of your church? Give some of the major breakdowns of
how the money is spent.
With regard to your reporting that 7% went
to administrative costs, that does not mean much. Administrative costs generally do not include housing, buildings,
salaries of
Interesting that you use Tampa as an example. I'm headed there tomorrow. Regarding money - I don't have the figures where I can put my hands on them. (The little ones are in the room where that file is kept) I didn't mean to mislead you - we give that total amount to the Foreign Missions Dept and
Laura wrote:
Interesting that you use Tampa as an example.
I'm headed there tomorrow.
I lived in Tampa for 17 years and was very active in ministering to the
homeless there. The Salvation Army would not let us see their financial
statements because they are exempt from the Florida Sunshine
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Dear Sister, does your church teach and practice:
-that the church is to be lead by the pastor? YES With a board
-that the pastor is hired and paid by the church? Yes and he earns every penny
-that the
Hi Laura,
You responded to my questions as follows:
Dear Sister, does your church teach and practice:
-that the church is to be lead by the pastor? YES With a board
-that the pastor is hired and paid by the church? Yes and he earns
every
penny
-that the church building is to be
Hi Laura,
You wrote:I'm interested too in who they are accountable to besides God. I
guess I'm leery because friends of mine back in DE got mixed up in a home
church and really were taught some false doctrine.
You have mentioned two very important items: accountability and false
doctrine.
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Has anyone in any religious organization or denominational church ever
taught you that ALL accountability in scripture is VERTICAL! (i.e. Godward!)
Absolutely I agree that it is ulitmately vertical but I
In a message dated 7/17/2003 8:25:25 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The popular accountability doctrine teaches that I need to be "under
accountability", that I need to get my assignments from a pastor, from a
board of directors etc and that I must report on how I have
Laura:
Very little of your money is being used for the kingdom.
Most of it goes to the bank that holds the mortgage, the flower shop, the
secretary, the janitor, the guy who sprays for bugs and the electric and phone
company.
In our home church, we see a need and we meet that need.
We see
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