[Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2008-03-02 Thread Matthew East
The discussion on this bug has become so long and complicated that it is impossible to understand easily what it is about. Since the issues are complex, I'd recommend writing a specification/blueprint to clarify the ideas and then discussing it on the ubuntu-doc mailing list if there is interest

[Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-29 Thread Phil Bull
I've had a stab at doing things in a graphical, step-by-step way. Make sure that: * You are running GNOME * You have the python-dogtail and python-xlib packages installed * You have ticked 'Enable assistive technologies' in System - Preferences - Universal Access - Assistive Technology

[Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-28 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Fair point. GiuseppeVerde, can you give more detail about why you mentioned the command line? As far as I can tell, Guided Help doesn't involve the command line at all. http://blogs.msdn.com/activecontentwizard/ Anyway, I still think this would be better addressed to the Gnome and Yelp developers

Re: [Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-28 Thread oldmanstan
GiuseppeVerde did you check out what Phil Bull had worked up? I thought it was interesting since it could handle command line as well as some other functions. -George -- ~ George T. Lesica [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu needs Guided Help https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/145673 You received this

[Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-28 Thread GiuseppeVerde
Command-line was mentioned because I was introduced to Guided Help through a KB article which had Guided Help or some command-line things. I didn't know that it encompassed more. Only after a conversation with GNOME devs did I realize that it could be larger. Besides, implementing a command-line

[Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-28 Thread GiuseppeVerde
It does look interesting, but I've not time to delve into it in detail. My main concern is security, which looks like it's addressed to an extent. -- Ubuntu needs Guided Help https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/145673 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which

[Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-27 Thread Jerome Haltom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Guide I want to point this out as another method of the same. I think this paradigm is vastly better than MS'. -- Ubuntu needs Guided Help https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/145673 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which

[Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-27 Thread Jérôme Guelfucci
** Changed in: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: None = ubuntu-docs ** Changed in: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist -- Ubuntu needs Guided Help https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/145673 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which

[Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-27 Thread oldmanstan
I don't really see how this would help anyone... the MS guided help is essentially just a way of showing people precisely what to click on for each step in a procedure. It is necessary because it is very difficult to describe, in an effective way, which button a person should click to do a

[Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-27 Thread Vincent
I think the resistance among many people to using the command line is natural since the command line is seen as geeky and complicated. No, the main problem with the command line is that it is ugly and that it depends on typing which is scary because you often don't know what the result of a typo

[Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-27 Thread Phil Bull
I've implemented something which can sort of do this, if it's of any use: http://philbull.livejournal.com/43421.html Basically, it just runs a bash command when you click a specially formed link on an HTML page. It will only execute commands which appear in full on a whitelist. You can allow

Re: [Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-27 Thread oldmanstan
No, the main problem with the command line is that it is ugly and that it depends on typing which is scary because you often don't know what the result of a typo might be. Clicking stuff is easier because either you're doing something you know you want to and you click Apply or something, or

Re: [Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-27 Thread oldmanstan
On 9/27/07, Phil Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've implemented something which can sort of do this, if it's of any use: I like this a lot personally, it creates a pretty good middle ground since it (shouldn't) be too complicated to implement (it's only html with some scripting after all...)

[Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-27 Thread Vincent
when you copy-paste from a forum post or help dialog there is no change of a typo provided the original command was vetted properly (which I would assume to be the case if we put them in the docs)... Well, yeah, but then you don't know what you're doing (not that most people know when they are

Re: [Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-27 Thread oldmanstan
On 9/27/07, Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when you copy-paste from a forum post or help dialog there is no change of a typo provided the original command was vetted properly (which I would assume to be the case if we put them in the docs)... Well, yeah, but then you don't know what you're

[Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-27 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
So when trying to solve the problem of people not yet knowing how to do something in the GUI, you should invite them to do the same thing in the command line instead? Now you have two problems. This bug report has nothing whatsoever to do with the command line, and it's unfortunate that it got

Re: [Bug 145673] Re: Ubuntu needs Guided Help

2007-09-27 Thread oldmanstan
On 9/27/07, Matthew Paul Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So when trying to solve the problem of people not yet knowing how to do something in the GUI, you should invite them to do the same thing in the command line instead? Now you have two problems. This bug report has nothing whatsoever to