Evan wrote:
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Dylan McCall dylanmcc...@gmail.com
wrote:
I chewed on this thought for a bit, and I think adding a really
close button to a window would compromise what is _potentially_ a
pretty well thought out bit of UI. That's not to say it is well
thought
Brandon Kuczenski wrote:
Derek Broughton wrote:
John McCabe-Dansted wrote:
Maybe. But the paradigm isn't really that pressing the Close
button minimizes the window to the systray.
I beg to differ. Think as a user, not a developer. I submit that
_users_ do not generally understand
Davyd McColl wrote:
For what my input is worth, I'd just like to point out that I'm one of
those people who is annoyed when an app which runs in the systray *exits*
when I close the interface window (main or otherwise). For apps that
support the minimise to tray functionality instead of
Phillip Susi wrote:
On 3/24/2010 10:13 AM, Alan Pope wrote:
That still wont guarantee access to user files. If you use ecryptfs
(the default encryption system for /home on Ubuntu live CDs) then even
having physical access won't give you immediate access to files in the
user home directory.
Fred . wrote:
Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background.
Windows has a terminal like this. Mac OS X have a terminal like this.
Ugh. I really thought that only primitive systems use white text on a black
background. It's ergonomically very bad. I never use such a
Thomas Templin wrote:
I would vote for
...
and also for
'Full Name' (DE_de: 'Vollständiger Name')
or better
'Name Surname' (DE_de: 'Name Nachname')
You'd know better than me if that's better in German - but it's certainly
wrong (confusing) in English. Translations don't
Amahdy wrote:
Like many ppl, I don't want to check a lists group over an rss like gmane,
You really, desperately, need to learn terminology if you want to convince
_anybody_ that you are right. gmane news is _not_ in any sense an rss.
and the reason of checking this list over web-browser
Amahdy wrote:
Because what we have works very well and doesn't rely on an external
entity.
We all know that there is no bug free software, so if mailman is very
good, google-groups are -per my usage- very good too
Mailing lists are the lifeblood of most open source projects.
Always
Amahdy wrote:
Anybody who read my original email in the digest will notice the problem,
the From has a special-char before it but I never typed it in my
original email, I don't know why this happened too maybe somebody could
explain, but my email is cropped at the original list website.
Brian Murray wrote:
On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 03:57:08PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
Brian Murray wrote:
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:46:14AM -0500, Adam Strawcutter wrote:
Ok I am a noob..kind of. Been a geek all my life but took the next
step to geek hood and got ubuntu. But I cannot
Brian Murray wrote:
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:46:14AM -0500, Adam Strawcutter wrote:
Ok I am a noob..kind of. Been a geek all my life but took the next step
to geek hood and got ubuntu. But I cannot fix msql server. I can't get
rid of it, or anything. Its so annoying. I have tried all the
James Westby wrote:
On Mon Nov 30 13:47:34 -0500 2009 John Moser wrote:
List some not-silly reasons.
You're serious? Ok.
* Takes a long time to crack any password that's not in the dictionary
and
more than a few characters long.
* Rainbow tables would be too large to fit on
Christopher Chan wrote:
Luke L wrote:
I read some comments on this thread, and I feel I must chime in,
because I get furious at the anti-GUI people.
Where? Where? I don't remember anybody being explicitly anti-GUI.
No, it's been explicitly
patrick wrote:
Dear madam, sir,
I wonder about the wisdom of even trying to respond to an email that starts
that way...
Give a distribution the time to mature, listen to your big chief, even
when it's for only time only: 1 distribution a year will bring quality
software instead of buggy
Palle Hellemann wrote:
Just a thought:
My 11 year old daughter asked: How do I save a document?
I answered: You just click on the Floppydisk Icon in the Menu bar!
She pondered over this and then asked: What is a Floppydisk?
I understand that the average user today has probably never seen one
Natanael Olaiz wrote:
Another thing: many shortcuts doesn't work anymore. Even configuring
them by hand!! For instance: screenshots, knotes, etc...
knotes? So you're presumably using Kubuntu: most of those shortcuts got
broken with the upgrade to KDE4 - LONG before 9.10.
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Natanael Olaiz wrote:
El 11/11/2009 08:32 PM, Derek Broughton escribió:
Natanael Olaiz wrote:
Another thing: many shortcuts doesn't work anymore. Even configuring
them by hand!! For instance: screenshots, knotes, etc...
knotes? So you're presumably using Kubuntu: most of those
Dotan Cohen wrote:
sigh They _are_ they sysadmin. Like it or not. And yes, they'll
enable an exploitable module - but they'll do that whether you make it
hard for them or not. If you won't give them the tools, they'll just
google for an answer, take the first one they find - safe or not -
Dotan Cohen wrote:
In the first place, nothing they can do in the world of server
configuration is going to be that hazardous, and in the second, it's not
and never has been about whether it's wise to let them do that: THEY WILL
DO IT. So it's in _everybody's_ best interest to give them the
Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
/me wonders if mom and pop in general will understand the stuff
below...and not enable an exploitable php module/formmail.cgi/remember
to update to security fixed packages. Best make this for zee sysadmin.
sigh They _are_ they sysadmin. Like it or not.
Christopher Chan wrote:
Derek Broughton wrote:
All the RFCs are defined as finite-state engines. There really is NO
reason that a tool capable of making all the correct configurations need
to be
predefined and fixed. It's 30 years since I did FSEs in university,
but I'm pretty sure we
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Oh feel free to code the thing then. Just don't ask mom and pop whether
they want their user account database in ldap or mysql or in passwd and
shared via NIS+.
My whole point has been that it could be done, while you've been saying
it couldn't. Having apparently
Christopher Chan wrote:
Derek Broughton wrote:
Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
Derek Broughton wrote:
I don't follow why you would think an X server on Windows is required.
Easy. Remote desktop for remote administration. Of course, I do not
necessarily agree with using
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Here is a great example of people administering things that they
shouldn't:
http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/PHP-has-an-eval-function-like-perl.aspx
Very funny. Now, wouldn't it have been better to give Jim some useful
tools?
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Dotan Cohen wrote:
My arguments are against making a dangerous tool accessible to the
masses. Assessible in this context meaning seemingly designed for.
I understand that - but the problem is the dangerous tool IS already
accessible to the masses. They can set up completely bollixed servers
Christopher Chan wrote:
Professionals need to be on-call. In fact, for most medical treatment,
the doctor _is_ on-call. If we could make the day-to-day
administration of servers simple and fool-proof, the small business owner
might be far more happy to consider keeping an expert on-call.
Steven Susbauer wrote:
On Oct 25, 2009, at 2:12 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Thank you for proving my point.
Or proving the point that easy to use GUI configuration tools can
actually help make the situation better, for example suggesting the
user set a password for their SMTP server.
Dotan Cohen wrote:
That tool is generally called a server. That Mac OS X tool is called
Samba, with a nice interface to configure it. I see no reason why they
should be forced to run Mac OS X to do this.
I think that Chan was giving an example.
People should have the choice to do what
Dotan Cohen wrote:
And you thing that simple file sharing server based on SMB are
comparable to Mustang GT?
No. But I think that running a public HTTP server is.
No way - everybody _and_ their monkey runs a public HTTP server today. You
can't expect that that will ever be done by
John Moser wrote:
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Ryan Dwyer ryandwy...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think there's any use discussing whether we think a GUI or CLI is
better. Shouldn't we focus on what the typical business wants and what
they're prepared to use?
This is an easy question.
Dotan Cohen wrote:
I agree that all networks should be managed by an experienced
administrator, but unfortunately a lot of them aren't. We can't change
that. Many businesses just want something that works and is easy to
manage, even if there are issues such as no backups. The target
audience
Markus Hitter wrote:
Am 26.10.2009 um 12:08 schrieb Dirk Hoeschen:
Now (3 days before the release) karmic seems to be unready.
Even if the system is stable, I found many bugs and inconsistent
issues.
Obviously, the team is totally overwhelmed by bugs. Look for example
at bug #459067:
Ryan Dwyer wrote:
BTW: GUI tools shouldn't run on a server, but on the admin's (or
pseudo-admin's) desktop. Using a secure connection to the server, of
course.
I take it no one has any issues with web based GUI tools?
Actually many people have issues with web-based tools. Webmin isn't
Ryan Dwyer wrote:
I agree that all networks should be managed by an experienced
administrator, but unfortunately a lot of them aren't. We can't change
that.
Indeed - so instead of saying that administration should only be _possible_
by experts, we need _poor_ administration to be
John Moser wrote:
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alvin Thompson
al...@thompsonlogic.com wrote:
First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty
much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.).
I laughed.
Your pet project is NOT pretty much required
shirish शिरीष wrote:
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 05:57, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org
wrote:
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:40:05PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:
a. Lots of background services which are started by default.
Background services are either doing something (in which case the user
Chris, please trim other people's .sigs - otherwise those of us who respond
to you will frequently actually lose your comments. Smart mail programs
trim at the first .sig separator...
Chris Jones wrote:
RE: Synaptic - Proxy - Network Connection
From:
Chris Jones chrisjo...@comcen.com.au
Martin Soto wrote:
On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 00:19 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
From the appcenter wiki page:
If Linux has an Achilles heel, from the point of view of a Windows
user, it's installing new software. Be prepared to enter a new world in
which Windows Update is a model of
Colin Watson wrote:
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 02:24:33PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote:
Markus Hitter wrote:
Am 09.06.2009 um 00:45 schrieb André Pirard:
Similarly, the swap partition should be a Linux file.
This frees the user from swap considerations and opens Linux to
dynamic swap size
Felipe Figueiredo wrote:
John,
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM, John Moserjohn.r.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Luke Llukehasnon...@gmail.com wrote:
How many of these things are actually going to make it into Karmic? A
dynamically sized swap file? GRUB 2 residing
Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
Jo is a nice fellow, met him at UDS. Didn't seem very much to be
infiltrating...more like sitting around being cheerful and chatting with
whatever folks sat down.
Oh sure. That's what he _wants_ you to think
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Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps I misunderstand why the term application framework is any
better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I
think it'd be extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
This is clearly a not invented here syndrome. please read wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here
I'm a software engineer, I personally tried both java and .net (I
don't like python very much because it's easy to get things out of
control)
I don't
Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca
wrote:
Remco wrote:
We're still being a Microsoft technology user, which is what Mark
Shuttleworth didn't want, and is the reason why Wine is not included
in Ubuntu.
It's not? When did that happen?
$
Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote:
As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless.
The appropriate response at that point is
Remco wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughtonde...@pointerstop.ca
wrote:
Remco wrote:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David
Schlesingerdavid.schlesin...@access-company.com wrote:
As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You
were completely mistaken
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
Il giorno sab, 06/06/2009 alle 23.55 -0400, Martin Owens ha scritto:
Is it? I didn't think is was the port that defined the protocol but
the
nature of the messages sent over the connection. The port is a default
but not a requirement, like ssh or ftp.
For heaven's
Remco wrote:
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Martin Owensdocto...@gmail.com wrote:
No, it isn't. HTTP is by definition over port 80 - or perhaps 8080:
Is it? I didn't think is was the port that defined the protocol but the
nature of the messages sent over the connection. The port is a
Mark Fink wrote:
MONO is a poor imitation of java, so why use MONO!?
Shows what I know I guess - I thought it was a poor imitation of .net...
I was a java evangelist for years. Too bad it never lived up to its
promise.
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Jan Claeys wrote:
Op dinsdag 02-06-2009 om 10:32 uur [tijdzone -0300], schreef Derek
Broughton:
I would add - keyserver.ubuntu.com should handle HTTP lookups! I
finally realized why I have so much trouble updating apt from work:
because the firewall blocks hkp.
HKP is HTTP, so your
Jan Claeys wrote:
Op maandag 01-06-2009 om 12:03 uur [tijdzone +0800], schreef Christopher
Chan:
Stop changing age old conventions.
kilo = 1000 is in fact ages older than kilo = 1024 :P
Well, generations older, at least. Perhaps not ages :-)
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Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
Derek Broughton wrote:
Christopher Chan wrote:
You've completely missed what the whole thread is about. The age old and
faulty convention is base2 for space and file sizes. That is what the
Ubuntu team wants to get rid of. But thanks for supporting my
Alexander Sack wrote:
Also, the abilitity to trigger .deb installs from the web by a single
click is considered a bug and we look into making ffox and other
webbrowsers not allow that (instead similar to windows .exe downloads
only allow them to be saved and not opened directly from the web).
Andrew Sayers wrote:
I agree that people can learn what mega and giga mean, so long as you
give them the opportunity to learn. Using million bytes
interchangeably with MB gives significantly more people that
opportunity.
Sorry, I simply can't believe that.
Mega is also a problem
solaris manzur wrote:
nowadays we have a huge problem when we are going to hibernate and wake-up
from hibernating: we do not have a progress bar so When we are going to
hibernate we just see a black screen and that is it, my first time on
going to hibernate, I thought: Ohhh My God!!! Ubuntu
John Moser wrote:
Mostly, a lot of things are supported and work just fine. We live in
a decent enough world, usually you're not really a target for anything
bad, and we can ignore all the hype about most stuff because hey, it's
just unlikely.
...
I call BS.
I call double BS :-)
If
richard wrote:
In order to try and get Virtualbox up I reloaded 2.6.28-11 server,
reloaded virtualbox, it starts but borks staring the VM
I ran apt-get update, in case I had only had a part update.
and got this:-
apt-get: update
Get: http://ftp.debian.org sid/main Sources
Get:
Felipe Figueiredo wrote:
Remco escreveu:
Are there any problems with enabling automatic updates by default?
Most users don't care about updates to the point that they never
install them. And even if they would open the update manager, they
Which is precisely why security should be
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
Erich Jansen wrote on 06/04/09 10:59:
...
My problem with the way things are currently done is that it's not
obvious to someone like my parents, who run Ubuntu, that this feature
exists. After switching my parents to Ubuntu the only real complaint I
heard from
James Westby wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 07:27 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote:
Maybe delaying upgrades until shutdown *is* the right
solution?
There are a couple of other issues with that.
1. The upgrades may need some feedback from the user, but the user has
just declared that they
raahi 108 wrote:
I am doing some syslog analysis from various devices.
For Linux, i was trying to find if there is a document listing formats for
ALL logs that linux sends out...
-e.g. ---
92pure-ftpd: (?...@theman) [WARNING] Authentication failed for user [root]
Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
On Wednesday 01 April 2009 3:34:06 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
No, he means install some packages while others are still downloading.
I can see that being very advantageous to a dial-up user, but I wonder if
it can even be possible.
If you download and install
Martin Olsson wrote:
Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
If you download and install everything that has 0 dependencies first,
then the ones that depend on those things, and on up the tree, it could
be doable. Except for cyclical dependencies. For those, you'd need to get
both downloaded before running
John Vivirito wrote:
On 03/31/2009 06:19 PM, Evan wrote:
While apt, synaptic, update-manager, and gnome-app-install all do decent
jobs of providing front-ends for package management, there are a few
issues and common feature requests which bear taking a look at. This is a
strawman, so feel
Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
Nils Kassube wrote:
Christopher Chan wrote:
Please do point out where it says megabit = 1000x1000 bits and not
1024 x 1024 bits.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitrate#Prefixes:
| When describing bitrates, binary prefixes have almost never
Paulo Silva wrote:
Well, i'm not yet using Jaunty (still on Interpid) - and i got an
annoying situation having both LXDE and Gnome installed - a dependence
named lxnm, not only it's not working, as well it removes by conflict
nm-applet (network-manager-gnome package), and if we insist
Stephan Hermann wrote:
TBH, I just bursted into a laugh attackfor easyiness: 500 Gigabytes
as written on a Harddrive label are not the same as 500 Gigabytes
transfered over the Network (when you know HD vendor definition: kilo ==
1000 and Network vendor definition normally kilo == 1024)
Stephan Hermann wrote:
as for msdos labels (which is the default) you won't come over 2TB
(reading as disk vendor means: 1000bytes == 1KB and not 1024bytes ==
1KByte)
You should know that this isn't unclear. 1024 Bytes is a KiB, not a KB.
2TB is 2*10**12 bytes, 2TiB is 2 * 2**40 (I think :-)
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:38:44PM +, Chris Jones wrote:
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
our best practices for reporting bugs. In particular, reporting bugs
directly to Launchpad is usually *NOT* the best approach. This should
only
Perhaps Launchpad could
Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
On Wednesday 25 March 2009 11:08:11 am Derek Broughton wrote:
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:38:44PM +, Chris Jones wrote:
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
our best practices for reporting bugs. In particular, reporting
bugs
directly
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
That's going to be news to the average user, of which a noticeable number
are _still_ using the old bug tools to file a bug straight
to ubuntu-users
We don't install those tools by default, while we do install apport.
I know, but there's still a significant number of
Mike Jones wrote:
Thanks for your reply. I understand the realistic restrictions that a
developer faces when packaging applications.
...
Is there just no way for a package maintaner to not have extra work
piled on their already hefty load while at the same time we allow a user
of
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