Re: ubuntu-releases package
On Mon Nov 23 18:22:55 -0500 2009 Benjamin Drung wrote: Am Montag, den 23.11.2009, 16:28 -0500 schrieb James Westby: Have you considered making something similar for Debian (though it's a problem that bites less there)? No. unstable will stay unstable. All my uploads to Debian targeted unstable (that may differ for security and QA people). What kind of information should the debian-release tool offer? What would be the benefit of it? It would be possible to write tools that worked the way they should when targetting that distribution. Would a generic interface be a good idea? A 'release' script return the information about the running distro (Debian or Ubuntu). This would be great for derivatives, they could extend the script and tools would know how to work with them instantly. With an parameter -D / --distribution, you could select Debian or Ubuntu. And if not provided the currently running distribution's information would be provided? 'ubuntu-release' would do the same as 'release -D ubuntu' and 'debian-release' would do the same as 'release -D debian'. Or would this be an overkill? These scripts are overkill for scripted use I think, but would be good if humans wish to use them. Thanks, James -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ubuntu-releases package
Am Montag, den 23.11.2009, 16:28 -0500 schrieb James Westby: On Sun Nov 22 19:16:57 -0500 2009 Benjamin Drung wrote: Introduce a ubuntu-releases package. This package will have a list of all known Ubuntu releases. A small script will give you the needed information, based on the releases list and the current date. Examples: I have often thought this would be useful. My only question would be on the package that it would go in, as a whole new package may be unnecessary. The package needs to be updated every six month via SRU. Therefore it should be standalone. I have a whole bunch of scripts that I would move over to this if it was available. I filed an ITP for Debian [1] and pushed it into a git repository [2]. Have fun with testing. Have you considered making something similar for Debian (though it's a problem that bites less there)? It has now a generic interface. [1] http://bugs.debian.org/559761 [2] http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/release.git -- Benjamin Drung Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Maintainer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ubuntu-releases package
Am Sonntag, den 06.12.2009, 03:53 -0500 schrieb James Westby: On Mon Nov 23 18:22:55 -0500 2009 Benjamin Drung wrote: Am Montag, den 23.11.2009, 16:28 -0500 schrieb James Westby: Have you considered making something similar for Debian (though it's a problem that bites less there)? No. unstable will stay unstable. All my uploads to Debian targeted unstable (that may differ for security and QA people). What kind of information should the debian-release tool offer? What would be the benefit of it? It would be possible to write tools that worked the way they should when targetting that distribution. The 'release' script is not distro specific. Would a generic interface be a good idea? A 'release' script return the information about the running distro (Debian or Ubuntu). This would be great for derivatives, they could extend the script and tools would know how to work with them instantly. It should be now extensible. With an parameter -D / --distribution, you could select Debian or Ubuntu. And if not provided the currently running distribution's information would be provided? 'release' will point to the distribution's version of the release tool. 'ubuntu-release' would do the same as 'release -D ubuntu' and 'debian-release' would do the same as 'release -D debian'. Or would this be an overkill? These scripts are overkill for scripted use I think, but would be good if humans wish to use them. The implementation is different: There are two scripts debian-release and ubuntu-release. release will be a symlink to one of both. -- Benjamin Drung Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Maintainer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ubuntu-releases package
On Sun Nov 22 19:16:57 -0500 2009 Benjamin Drung wrote: Introduce a ubuntu-releases package. This package will have a list of all known Ubuntu releases. A small script will give you the needed information, based on the releases list and the current date. Examples: I have often thought this would be useful. My only question would be on the package that it would go in, as a whole new package may be unnecessary. I have a whole bunch of scripts that I would move over to this if it was available. Have you considered making something similar for Debian (though it's a problem that bites less there)? Thanks, James -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ubuntu-releases package
Am Montag, den 23.11.2009, 16:28 -0500 schrieb James Westby: On Sun Nov 22 19:16:57 -0500 2009 Benjamin Drung wrote: Introduce a ubuntu-releases package. This package will have a list of all known Ubuntu releases. A small script will give you the needed information, based on the releases list and the current date. Examples: I have often thought this would be useful. My only question would be on the package that it would go in, as a whole new package may be unnecessary. A whole new package would be better than integrating into an other package. When a new series is announced, we can simply update this package via SRU. I have a whole bunch of scripts that I would move over to this if it was available. Ok, then I will write this tool. Have you considered making something similar for Debian (though it's a problem that bites less there)? No. unstable will stay unstable. All my uploads to Debian targeted unstable (that may differ for security and QA people). What kind of information should the debian-release tool offer? What would be the benefit of it? Would a generic interface be a good idea? A 'release' script return the information about the running distro (Debian or Ubuntu). With an parameter -D / --distribution, you could select Debian or Ubuntu. 'ubuntu-release' would do the same as 'release -D ubuntu' and 'debian-release' would do the same as 'release -D debian'. Or would this be an overkill? 'debian-release -d' would always return unstable. 'debian-release -s' would return squeeze and change from time to time (less often than in Ubuntu). -- Benjamin Drung Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Maintainer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
ubuntu-releases package
Hi, Install karmic and start packaging. Then you will discover this: dch will use karmic as default, but new packages target either lucid or karmic-proposed. lintian does not know lucid. They may be other package, wich are not aware of lucid. Here is my idea to solve this issue: Introduce a ubuntu-releases package. This package will have a list of all known Ubuntu releases. A small script will give you the needed information, based on the releases list and the current date. Examples: ubuntu-release returns the running series (same as lsb_release -sc) ubuntu-release -d returns the current development series (now it would be lucid) ubuntu-release -s returns the latest stable series (currently it would be karmic) ubuntu-release --lts returns the latest stable lts release (currently hardy) ubuntu-release --supported returns a list of all supported series lintian, dch, and other tools would use ubuntu-release instead of using hardcoded values. Then only one package needs an update, if Mark announce the next codename. I am willing to write this script and to maintain it. What do you think about it? -- Benjamin Drung Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Maintainer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
