Re: Indic Devanagari Query

2003-01-29 Thread Keyur Shroff
Hi Aditya, --- Aditya Gokhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had few query regarding representation of Devanagari script in Unicode (Code page - 0x0900 - 0x097F). Devanagari is a writing script, is used in Hindi, Marathi and Sanskrit languages. I have following questions - In the same

Re: Indic Devanagari Query

2003-01-29 Thread Keyur Shroff
Hi, Forgot to reply implementation query. The reply is inline. --- Aditya Gokhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Implementation Query - In an implementation where I need to send / process Hindi, Marathi and Sanskrit data, how do I differentiate between languages (Hindi, Marathi and

Re: Indic Devanagari Query

2003-01-29 Thread Aditya Gokhale
Hello, Thanks for the reply. I will check the points as you said, as far as the font issues are considered. We all know how jna,shra and ksh are formed in UNICODE and ISCII, but the point I wanted to make was, if we have to sort / search / process the data in Devanagari script, then we have

RE: Indic Devanagari Query

2003-01-29 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Aditya Gokhale wrote: Hello Everybody, I had few query regarding representation of Devanagari script in Unicode All your questions are FAQ's, so I'll just reference the entries which answers them. (Code page - 0x0900 - 0x097F). Devanagari is a writing script, is used in Hindi, Marathi

Re: Indic Devanagari Query

2003-01-29 Thread Keyur Shroff
--- Asmus Freytag [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of the above can be composed through following consonant clusters: jna - ja halant nya shra - sha halant ra ksh - ka halant ssha The point that the above sequences are considered as characters in some of the Indian languages has

Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Keyur Shroff
Hello, There are few discrepancies in Indic FAQ. Though it was reported earlier by Andy White, I see they still have place there in the FAQ. I also clarified it but by mistake I sent the mail to Yahoo groups where this mailing list is archived and hence my mail never reached to this mailing list.

Re: Indic Devanagari Query

2003-01-29 Thread John Cowan
Keyur Shroff scripsit: Sentiments are attached with cultures which may vary from one geographical area to another. So when one of the many languages falling under the same script dominate the entire encoding for the script, then other group of people may feel that their language has not been

Re: Indic Devanagari Query

2003-01-29 Thread Michael Everson
At 02:13 -0800 2003-01-29, Keyur Shroff wrote: I beg to differ with you on this point. Merely having some provision for composing a character doesn't mean that the character is not a candidate for inclusion as separate code point. Yes, it does. India is a big country with millions of people

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Keyur Shroff wrote: In the FAQ http://www.unicode.org/faq/indic.html#16 It is mentioned that following are equivalent ISCII Unicode KA halant INV KA virama ZWJ RA halant INV RAsup (i.e., repha) The last line is really bizarre! I would agree that it is

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Kent Karlsson
The [new] INV character in Unicode can also be used for displaying dependent vowel matras without dotted circle. A space followed by a dependent vowel sign should display just the dependent vowel sign, no dotted circle. Indeed, (except for a show invisibles mode, or a character chart display

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Keyur Shroff
--- Marco Cimarosti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not representing INV with a double ZWJ? E.g.: ISCII Unicode KA halant INV KA virama ZWJ ZWJ RA halant INV RA virama ZWJ ZWJ (i.e., repha) INV halant RA ZWJ ZWJ virama RA

RE: Indic Devanagari Query

2003-01-29 Thread Kent Karlsson
I wouldn't go so far. The fact that clusters belong together is something that can be handled by the software. Collation and other data processing needs to deal with such issues already for many other languages. See http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr10 on the collation algorithm. I

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Keyur Shroff
--- Kent Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A space followed by a dependent vowel sign should display just the dependent vowel sign, no dotted circle. Indeed, (except for a show invisibles mode, or a character chart display mode) no (Indic or other) text that does not contain the

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Keyur Shroff wrote: But sometimes a user may want visual representation of these symbols in two different ways: with dotted circle and without dotted circle. Why not using a dotted circle character explicity, when you want to see one? Example of this could be RAsup on top of dotted circle

Re: Indic Devanagari Query

2003-01-29 Thread Christopher John Fynn
Michael Everson wrote: At 02:13 -0800 2003-01-29, Keyur Shroff wrote: I beg to differ with you on this point. Merely having some provision for composing a character doesn't mean that the character is not a candidate for inclusion as separate code point. Yes, it does. India is a big

Re: Indic Devanagari Query

2003-01-29 Thread Rick McGowan
Aditya Gokhale wrote: 1. In Marathi and Sanskrit language two characters glyphs of 'la' and 'sha' are represented differently as shown in the image below - Actually, for everyone's information: these allographs for Marathi were recently brought to our attention, and Unicode 4.0 will have a

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Kent Karlsson
Keyur Shroff wrote Kent Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A space followed by a dependent vowel sign should display just the dependent vowel sign, no dotted circle. Indeed, (except for a show invisibles mode, or a character chart display mode) no (Indic or other) text that does not

RE: Indic Devanagari Query

2003-01-29 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Christopher John Fynn wrote: I had thought that the argument for including KSSA as a seperate character in the Tibetan block (rather than only having U+0F40 and U+0FB5) was originally for compatibility / cross mapping with Devanagari and other Indic scripts. Which is not a valid reason

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Keyur Shroff
--- Marco Cimarosti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keyur Shroff wrote: But sometimes a user may want visual representation of these symbols in two different ways: with dotted circle and without dotted circle. Why not using a dotted circle character explicity, when you want to see one? Note

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2003-01-29 Thread Barry Caplan
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