Re: German »ß«

2013-02-18 Thread Asmus Freytag
Nice collection of links, here, Neil. A./ On 2/17/2013 10:52 AM, Neil Harris wrote: On 17/02/13 10:48, Philippe Verdy wrote: I was not citing empirical results but things that are regulated by legislation. And your existing empirical results are just nfomal tests ignoring important parts of

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-18 Thread Charlie Ruland
Ne vous moquez pas de monsieur Verdy: il s’ agit là du dernier des Mohicans polymathes ! ☺ Charlie Op zondag 17 februari 2013 schreef Asmus Freytag: Would not be the first time that Mr. Verdy's statements are in an interesting relation to empirically determined results. :) A./

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-18 Thread Asmus Freytag
Toll, eine dreisprachige Nachricht! Wer macht weiter? A./ On 2/18/2013 10:25 PM, Charlie Ruland wrote: Ne vous moquez pas de monsieur Verdy: il s’ agit là du dernier des Mohicans polymathes ! ☺ Charlie Op zondag 17 februari 2013 schreef Asmus Freytag: Would not be the first time that Mr.

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-18 Thread Charlie Ruland
Trilingue sì. Perché la lingua madre del signor Verdy è quella francese. And it was in reply to your English message. En het Nederlands kwam van Thunderbird. Tja, so kann’s gehen. 对不起。 Charlie Asmus Freytag: Toll, eine dreisprachige Nachricht! Wer macht weiter? A./ On 2/18/2013 10:25 PM,

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-17 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 2/16/2013 11:19 PM, Julian Bradfield wrote: On 2013-02-17, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: True lowercase letters are causing problems on road sign indicators on roads with high speed : they are hard to read and if the driver has to look at them for one more second, he does not look

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-17 Thread Philippe Verdy
I was not citing empirical results but things that are regulated by legislation. And your existing empirical results are just nfomal tests ignoring important parts of the population of drivers, notably: - those driving by night : the effet of some visual defects like asygmatism, which is only

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-17 Thread Dominikus Dittes Scherkl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 17.02.2013 05:40, schrieb Asmus Freytag: For Germany, look at http://www.ace-online.de/fileadmin/user_uploads/Der_Club/Presse-Archiv/Bilder/Verkehr/Autobahn/Autobahn_01.jpg Too bad that this picture is not a few pixels wider, else you would see

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-17 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2013-02-17, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I was not citing empirical results but things that are regulated by legislation. No you weren't - you were making explicit claims that lowercase is harder to read than capitals. You said nothing about regulation. And your existing

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-17 Thread Neil Harris
On 17/02/13 10:48, Philippe Verdy wrote: I was not citing empirical results but things that are regulated by legislation. And your existing empirical results are just nfomal tests ignoring important parts of the population of drivers, notably: - those driving by night : the effet of some visual

German »ß« (was: s-j combination in Unicode?)

2013-02-16 Thread Otto Stolz
Hello, Am 16.02.2013 11:48, schrieb Stephan Stiller: Or a non-name example: Buße (repentance) vs Busse (buses). But then, non-name examples are far less likely to remain ambiguous in context. Years ago, I have seen with my own eyes, in a Swiss magazine (where they consistently replace “ß”

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-16 Thread Stephan Stiller
Or a non-name example: Buße (repentance) vs Busse (buses). But then, non-name examples are far less likely to remain ambiguous in context. A reason why Jukka's original example – like most proper name examples – was better than mine is that it's truly minimal in that context will really not

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-16 Thread Philippe Verdy
2013/2/16 Stephan Stiller stephan.stil...@gmail.com: Of course in my worldview, all-caps writing is deprecated :-) This is a presentation style which makes words more readable in some conditions, notably on plates displayed on roads (cities are extremely rarely written in lowercase, as this is

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-16 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2013-02-16, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: 2013/2/16 Stephan Stiller stephan.stil...@gmail.com: Of course in my worldview, all-caps writing is deprecated :-) This is a presentation style which makes words more readable in some conditions, notably on plates displayed on roads

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-16 Thread Philippe Verdy
Another solution is also used: Capitals written as Big capitals, and lowercase written as small capitals (i.e. just a minor font size reduction). True lowercase letters are causing problems on road sign indicators on roads with high speed : they are hard to read and if the driver has to look at

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-16 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 2/16/2013 12:06 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote: 2013/2/16 Stephan Stiller stephan.stil...@gmail.com: Of course in my worldview, all-caps writing is deprecated :-) This is a presentation style which makes words more readable in some conditions, notably on plates displayed on roads (cities are

Re: German »ß«

2013-02-16 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2013-02-17, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr wrote: True lowercase letters are causing problems on road sign indicators on roads with high speed : they are hard to read and if the driver has to look at them for one more second, he does not look at the road. AS I SAID, empirical evaluation