Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-21 Thread Peter_Constable
Philippe Verdy wrote on 07/20/2003 08:37:19 AM: What would be the purpose of encoding these? I can't think of any. They certainly don't need to be encoded as distinct characters to use in a Last Resort font. Mostly for documentation purpose Since Unicode is not a glyph encoding

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-20 Thread Michael Everson
At 23:34 +0200 2003-07-19, Philippe Verdy wrote: I'm still convinced that these glyphs are much more informative than a default glyph showing a ?, a white rectangle, or a black losange with a mirrored white ?... Of course they are. And Unicode also uses these glyphs in the index page for its

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-20 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Sunday, July 20, 2003 2:21 PM, Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With SVG graphics containing character objects and drawing primitives I have no idea what this means. I used Fontographer. SVG is a W3C-promoted standard for Scalable Vector Graphics, based on a XML language, and

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-20 Thread Peter_Constable
Philippe Verdy wrote on 07/19/2003 01:24:48 PM: Isn't this page creating the idea for a specific block of script-representative glyphs, that could be mapped in plane 14 as special supplementary characters ? What would be the purpose of encoding these? I can't think of any. They certainly

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-20 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Sunday, July 20, 2003 3:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philippe Verdy wrote on 07/19/2003 01:24:48 PM: Isn't this page creating the idea for a specific block of script-representative glyphs, that could be mapped in plane 14 as special supplementary characters ?

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-20 Thread Michael Everson
At 08:20 -0500 2003-07-20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would be the purpose of encoding these? I can't think of any. They certainly don't need to be encoded as distinct characters to use in a Last Resort font. I am certain more people want to interchange the LITTER DUDE than would want to

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-20 Thread John H. Jenkins
On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 1:15 PM, Michael Everson wrote: So fonts containing these glyphs could be designed to display these glyphs, in a way similar to the current assignment of control pictures. Um, that's what the Last Resort font does, outside of Unicode encoding space. (I don't

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-20 Thread John H. Jenkins
On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 7:37 AM, Philippe Verdy wrote: Mostly for documentation purpose, but also in most system that want to be more informative to users missing a font for a particular script. Michael also judged it to be useful enough to create such a font for Apple, and Apple thought

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-20 Thread Rick McGowan
What would be the purpose of encoding these? I can't think of any. They certainly don't need to be encoded as distinct characters to use in a Last Resort font. Mostly for documentation purpose, Why bother to encode them as distinct characters? For purposes of documentation isn't a good

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-20 Thread Michael Everson
At 09:56 -0600 2003-07-20, John H. Jenkins wrote: No, it uses the acutal Unicode characters, and just has a huge cmap that maps everything in Unicode to the glyph for its block. That is just so cool. :-) -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-20 Thread Peter Kirk
On 20/07/2003 06:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philippe Verdy wrote on 07/19/2003 01:24:48 PM: Isn't this page creating the idea for a specific block of script-representative glyphs, that could be mapped in plane 14 as special supplementary characters ? What would be the purpose of

Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-19 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Saturday, July 19, 2003 1:55 PM, Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm. See http://developer.apple.com/fonts/LastResortFont/ where it shows glyphs for illegal characters (FFFE/ etc.) as well as undefined characters (valid code positions which have not been assigned). I thought

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-19 Thread Michael Everson
At 20:24 +0200 2003-07-19, Philippe Verdy wrote: Isn't this page creating the idea for a specific block of script-representative glyphs, that could be mapped in plane 14 as special supplementary characters ? Good heavens, no. It's one thing for me to update this font regularly for Apple when

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-19 Thread Philippe Verdy
On Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:15 PM, Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So fonts containing these glyphs could be designed to display these glyphs, in a way similar to the current assignment of control pictures. Um, that's what the Last Resort font does, outside of Unicode encoding

Re: Last Resort Glyphs (was: About the European MES-2 subset)

2003-07-19 Thread Deborah Goldsmith
Apple's version of the Last Resort font is a (relatively) normal font. It just has a cmap that maps lots and lots of characters to the same glyph. :-) Deborah Goldsmith Manager, Fonts / Unicode Liaison Apple Computer, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 12:15 PM, Michael