Re: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-02-05 Thread Doug Ewell
Kent Karlsson kentk at md dot chalmers dot se wrote: Consider English. If I write , that may well be a spell error. Or even Ŋŋŋŋ!, as Michael Everson wrote in WG2 N2306. -Doug Ewell Fullerton, California

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-02-03 Thread Kent Karlsson
--- Kent Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No fallback rendering is coming into picture with your explanation. Yes, there is. A character sequence FULL STOP, VOWEL SIGN E (say) is very unlikely to have a ligature, specially adapted (and fitting) adjustment points, or similar.

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-02-03 Thread Kent Karlsson
No, with proper reordering (and normal display mode), the e-matra at the beginning of the second word would appear to be last glyph of the first word. Similarly, for the second case, the e-matra glyph would have come to the left of the pa. The fluent reader (ok, not me...) would

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-02-02 Thread Keyur Shroff
--- Kent Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without that dotted circle appearing, the e-matra would appear to have been properly encoded, No, with proper reordering (and normal display mode), the e-matra at the beginning of the second word would appear to be last glyph of the first

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-02-02 Thread Keyur Shroff
--- Kent Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No fallback rendering is coming into picture with your explanation. Yes, there is. A character sequence FULL STOP, VOWEL SIGN E (say) is very unlikely to have a ligature, specially adapted (and fitting) adjustment points, or similar. The

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-31 Thread Kent Karlsson
Keyur Shroff wrote: ... No fallback rendering is coming into picture with your explanation. Yes, there is. A character sequence FULL STOP, VOWEL SIGN E (say) is very unlikely to have a ligature, specially adapted (and fitting) adjustment points, or similar. The rendering would in that

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-30 Thread Kent Karlsson
I don't know where you find support for that position in that text. Can you please quote? There are no invalid base consonants for any dependent vowel (for Indic scripts; similarly for any other script). Actually, there is a mention of displaying combining marks on dotted circles:

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-30 Thread Kent Karlsson
Let me give a proper example this time. Consider a Vowel Sign E [U+0947] appearing after any non-consonant character. This sign is generally attached to the consonants. It has zero advance width with negative left side bearing in the font. Ok. Clearly, since in this case the sign is not

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-30 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Keyur Shroff wrote: However, I totally agree with Kent that this funny rendering is *not* a requirement of the Unicode standard, as Keyur Shroff seems to suggest. It is just an example of many several methods [that] are available to deal with strange sequences. A sequence should

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-30 Thread John Hudson
At 01:20 AM 1/30/2003, Marco Cimarosti wrote: However, I totally agree with Kent that this funny rendering is *not* a requirement of the Unicode standard, as Keyur Shroff seems to suggest. It is just an example of many several methods [that] are available to deal with strange sequences.

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-30 Thread jameskass
. Kent Karlsson wrote, I add that this is a good way of displaying a combining mark that has no base character, i.e. one occurring at the begin of a line or paragraph. No, those should be displayed *as if* preceded by a SPACE (TUS 3.0 page 121). So it says. But, the 'space method' could

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Keyur Shroff wrote: In the FAQ http://www.unicode.org/faq/indic.html#16 It is mentioned that following are equivalent ISCII Unicode KA halant INV KA virama ZWJ RA halant INV RAsup (i.e., repha) The last line is really bizarre! I would agree that it is

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Kent Karlsson
The [new] INV character in Unicode can also be used for displaying dependent vowel matras without dotted circle. A space followed by a dependent vowel sign should display just the dependent vowel sign, no dotted circle. Indeed, (except for a show invisibles mode, or a character chart display

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Keyur Shroff
--- Marco Cimarosti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not representing INV with a double ZWJ? E.g.: ISCII Unicode KA halant INV KA virama ZWJ ZWJ RA halant INV RA virama ZWJ ZWJ (i.e., repha) INV halant RA ZWJ ZWJ virama RA

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Keyur Shroff
--- Kent Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A space followed by a dependent vowel sign should display just the dependent vowel sign, no dotted circle. Indeed, (except for a show invisibles mode, or a character chart display mode) no (Indic or other) text that does not contain the

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Keyur Shroff wrote: But sometimes a user may want visual representation of these symbols in two different ways: with dotted circle and without dotted circle. Why not using a dotted circle character explicity, when you want to see one? Example of this could be RAsup on top of dotted circle

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Kent Karlsson
Keyur Shroff wrote Kent Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A space followed by a dependent vowel sign should display just the dependent vowel sign, no dotted circle. Indeed, (except for a show invisibles mode, or a character chart display mode) no (Indic or other) text that does not

RE: Suggestions in Unicode Indic FAQ

2003-01-29 Thread Keyur Shroff
--- Marco Cimarosti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keyur Shroff wrote: But sometimes a user may want visual representation of these symbols in two different ways: with dotted circle and without dotted circle. Why not using a dotted circle character explicity, when you want to see one? Note