I am not going to argue with you about Tifinagh, Philippe.
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Old Italic.
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Don,
Berber is often written in Tifinagh without vowels. And sometimes
with vowels. Andd the same in Arabic. There is no point worrying
(without it even being encoded) about Latin transliteration standards
for it at this point.
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these, when they already have the merit of covering the whole abstract
character set covered by all scripts in the Tifinagh family?
Gosh. Because Latin is a different script.
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not decided what we will do with Tifinagh.
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At 01:39 + 2003-11-11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a newer link for a draft proposal for Theban:
http://catb.org/~esr/unicode/theban/
I discussed that at length with the author (ESR) at the time and it
never really got past use on ritual objects.
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drop the discussion?
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that I don't understand it at all.
It isn't ungrammatical. It's really, really old-fashioned though. The
means those responsible.
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At 04:11 -0800 2003-11-12, Peter Kirk wrote:
But is this a cipher (it was intended as a form of secret writing),
No. But it wouldn't be encoded until it got at least as popular as Shavian.
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At 16:08 +0100 2003-11-12, Philippe Verdy wrote:
From: Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 14:34 +0100 2003-11-12, Philippe Verdy wrote:
I doubt that ewellic will become more popular than IPA
No one suggested that it would. IPA, of course, is not a script.
But is Ewellic a script?
Of course
.
Sigmund Eisner, who taught me Middle English, once said that if it
was good to spell a word one way, it was twice as good to spell it
another.
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I think we should all be very proud.
http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ID=8704
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At 11:16 -0500 2003-11-12, Jim Allan wrote:
Michael Everson posted in answer to Philippe Verdy's query Is
Ewellic a script?:
Of course it is.
IPA is a subset of the Latin script.
Accordingly both Ewellic and Theban could be treated as ciphers of
subsets of the Latin script.
I don't see how
At 15:04 -0800 2003-11-12, Peter Kirk wrote:
Are the well-known systems of stenography or shorthand, e.g. Pitman,
Gregg, considered suitable for encoding in Unicode?
In principle, they are. The font/ligature tables for them would be
pretty monstrous however in implementation.
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At 20:21 -0500 2003-11-12, D. Starner wrote:
Ewellic will not serve as a replacement for IPA.
It maps not badly to Shavian, though. But it is not a cipher for Shavian.
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At 23:23 -0800 2003-11-12, Doug Ewell wrote:
For one thing, most of them seemed to think i
as in ice is a single vowel, and ch as in
church is a single consonant, and I happened
to disagree.
For the latter, compare catch it with cat sht
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is a pinyin transliteration of the Chinese name
of the script
3) The script is **ALSO** used outside of China.
4) We used Tai Le, the native designation, not Dehong Dai, the
Chinese designation.
5) This is pure politics.
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I am pleased to announce that Mac OS 10.3 (Panther) is now shipping
two Cherokee keyboard layouts (one ergonomic, one QWERTY-based) as
well as Tiro's lovely font Plantagenet in support of the Cherokee
language.
Congratulations and thanks to Apple for this support.
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At 11:07 -0800 2003-11-16, Doug Ewell wrote:
Michael Everson everson at evertype dot com wrote:
I am pleased to announce that Mac OS 10.3 (Panther) is now shipping
two Cherokee keyboard layouts (one ergonomic, one QWERTY-based) as
well as Tiro's lovely font Plantagenet in support
-- apparently this show is broadcast
nationally in the U.S. and should be aired on NPR stations at some
point during the day or evening, but listeners outside the US should
be able to tune in via the web. If not live, the show will be
archived in a few days.
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I knew Klingon would rear its wrinkled brow
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.
I really don't like this bidental percussive sound. Thanks for my teeth
(ooch!), my language does not use it!
No language does. It is used to record disturbed speech. If you had
no lips, for instance, you might approximate [b] with a bidental
percussive.
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... Also, it's quite hard to place a vowel
with such a dental percussive sound. If someone suggested to use teeth, he
may not have considered how harmfull this sound could be... better suggest
something else!
And there was a great weeping, and a gnashing of teeth
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At 21:13 -0800 2003-11-20, Doug Ewell wrote:
The link to the interview is at
http://www.theconnection.org/shows/2003/11/20031120_b_main.asp
Do you know if a transcript is available anywhere, or will be?
Click the Listen to show button on that page. There's no text transcript.
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Sirhcus asked:
The western alphabet has an equivalent for people who are unsighted.
Is there an equivalent for languages that use other characters...Cyrilic,
arabic.?
Braille.
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not support Unicode inputting via
keyboard, and doesn't shape Devanagari properly.
Eudora on OS X does not support Unicode.
These companies have work to do if their products are to be
Unicode-enabled for Mac OS X. It is frustrating.
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At 11:53 +0100 2003-11-25, Bertrand Laidain wrote:
On OS X the hebrew keyboard is part of the Unicode bundle so it is
inputting hebrew with Unicode right ?
And this works with InDesign ME 2.
What is that? A special Middle Eastern version?
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. But that sounds a lot
like a WorldScript hack.
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shut,
and with good reason. But don't accuse me of starting something new.
You are, because the floodgates, while once open, have been closed by
normalization.
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At 08:23 -0500 2003-11-25, John Cowan wrote:
Michael Everson scripsit:
Ridiculous. This happened centuries ago, and it is not why Ethiopic
was encoded as a syllabary. It was encoded as a syllabary because it
is a syllabary.
Structurally it's an abugida, like Indic and UCAS.
I disagree. And I
about Chinese, but it appears that one is limited to
WorldScript. Word hasn't been updated for Mac OS since 2001.
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* for the low level of Unicode support in applications. They
*all* have a lot of work to do.
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computations using Gothic numbers, Philippe.
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the numbers 90 and 900.
So what?
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to compose such a character.
No.
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it is TA, but
honestly, decisions should not be made on the basis of patchy stuff
like this. Indian government document or not, there is no evidence
there to base decisions on.
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of NNA and DDA and has the same glyph.
The book is Learn Oriya in 30 Days, a 150-page introductory grammarin
the National Integration Language Series.
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in the same way that DDA and TA do.
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to show that my thinking is consistent on this point.
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, not the structure of the script. It can't be a NNTA
since that would assimilate to NNTTA.
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no indication of the phonetic
values. Has anyone else seen these characters, and could provide
material for a submission?
I have not seen them but could put them into a document if you
provided evidence for their use. Scans, that means.
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. Tresillo might be U+0188 for instance and
cuatrillo, hm, might be U+0261. Though neither of those unifications
is really satisfactory.
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in a non-Helvetica font. Meaning: I want to see
it in a serifed Times font. Meaning: I would like to see a range of
actual publications in it before we decide anything!
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is Learn Oriya in 30 Days, a 150-page introductory grammarin
the National Integration Language Series.
Thanks for the reference. I've tracked down a copy and it's on its way.
I'm sure it's in http://www.evertype.com/scriptbib.html
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large Oriya dictionaries which should arrive
in a fortnight.
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is. It
appears to be a nuktated CA. It is not in Unicode.
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is that it IS an innovation; that syllables in -[wa]
were normally written with -BA and that WA was invented to cater for
the need for initial [wa] in Urdu and English words.
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At 22:12 -0800 2003-11-30, Peter Constable wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael Everson
What I haven't seen is clear evidence that the wa-phallaa is
considered to be related to nominal BA and not a distinct character
falling after LA.
WA has been added as a new independent letter
asked for details about the dictionaries, but I don't think
you replied to that.
Um, I'll hunt them down shortly. Actually I haven't had an
acknowledgement from the bookstore yet, which I figured I would just
forward to you when it arrived.
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have been saying.
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appropriate.
Yes.
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, a specific character.
It's better than not knowing what range the thing is in. It helps the
user know he has received, say, Telugu data or whatever.
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about what font to install to provide
legibility.
That's all it says it does.
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Telugu text might
be sorted correctly. ;-)
I think we would agree that even minimal font support for a
character would involve displaying something that is recognisable as
that individual character.
Of course.
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Certainly. There is a big difference between fallback and last resort.
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list know the shape of more
than 10 scripts ?
Actually, if you look at the Last Resort Glyphs (at a large enough
size) you will see that the block name and range numbers are part of
the image. See http://developer.apple.com/fonts/LastResortFont/
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correct. I tried to get Apple to put all the block names in
Irish, of course ;-)
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At 01:44 +0100 2003-12-03, Philippe Verdy wrote:
Michael Everson writes:
At 15:14 -0800 2003-12-02, Patrick Andries wrote:
Actually, if you look at the Last Resort Glyphs (at a large enough
size) you will see that the block name and range numbers are part of
the image. See http
and
lots of other fonts to print the standard. You are not suggesting
that I (for instance) should *give* those fonts to Apple and Sun and
Microsoft and Linux and any and everyone else so that they can add
such excellent value to their operating systems, are you?
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At 21:11 -0500 2003-12-02, Mark E. Shoulson wrote:
I particularly like the use of U+E631 SEUSS LETTER WUM for the PUA.
I particularly like the use of the Maya month name Mac for Maya Hieroglyphs.
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to commission such an enormous font.
You have, I think, no idea how much work that would be.
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At 03:39 -0800 2003-12-03, John Hudson wrote:
At 02:53 AM 12/3/2003, Michael Everson wrote:
Such a font seems easy to create automatically by using the basic
glyphs of a base font containing the ASCII letters and digits, and
a source text file giving the name and range of Unicode code point
. And you can get math software for your
platform if you really need it. Mathemeticians do.
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At 18:59 +0100 2003-12-03, Philippe Verdy wrote:
Michael seems to think that I will request that localization to Apple
No, I don't.
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font, and they are also in
a number of the Japanese and Korean fonts which ship with the OS.
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of work was done on encoding complex scripts in Unicode before there
were adequate font and shaping engine technologies in place to
implement the character/glyph model as envisaged.
John is absolutely right.
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At 12:51 -0800 2003-12-03, Peter Kirk wrote:
Understood. But in fact TUS contains some quite detailed rules for
Arabic shaping. I am only asking that there should be similar rules
for other scripts.
Did you notice that Unicode 4.0 has improved many of the script intros?
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sooner rather than later. There's Everson Mono, of course.
;-)
How much would you pay for a Linear B font, David? ;-)
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At 14:41 -0800 2003-12-03, D. Starner wrote:
0,1. That's all that's needed to encode any script. So why do we have to
include an image, anyway?
So that people know what the basic encoded entity is.
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? And not just you, Ed.
All of you.
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is a far better
minimum than MES-1.
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Fine, Philippe. Give even if it isn't to your advantage tax-wise.
Give because you believe in the Unicode Project, and you want to see
it succeed for the good of all humankind.
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the take I have on it.
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At 15:00 + 2003-12-04, Raymond Mercier wrote:
Arcane Jill writes
My next OS will be a Mac.
Before you rush off to the nearest Mac showroom:
Michael Everson 25/11/03 wrote
Microsoft Office on OS X does not support Unicode. Quark XPress on
OS X does not support Unicode. Adobe InDesign on OS X
on OS X? I thought it only ran in the X11 shell.
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to be what you said. Is it
really the case that characters in Word in OS X are not stored as
Unicode, even though they are so stored in Word in Windows NT (and
later) on a PC ? If not stored as Unicode on a Mac, then how are
they stored ?
Apparently Mac Roman. I don't know. Ask Microsoft.
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and possibly even donations e.g. to SEI from grateful users.
Doing the work of encoding the missing scripts isn't enough to
attract donations? Realizing that one is helping the Unicode Project,
helping to enable the encoding of the written history of our species,
isn't enough?
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their
uppercase version. As well there are missing letters like R STRIKED
(not the Rx symbol)
http://www.unicode.org/pending/proposals.html
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, then give them
all away for free, and hope that there's some Germanicist out there
sitting on a pile of money just waiting for that free Gothic font
I really wonder about my dharma sometimes.
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relationship
between the UTC and the U.S. SC2 tag, and I need to be able to free
to exercise opposing views on behalf of the Irish SC2 tag, so being
an employee of the Consortium itself could lead to conflict of
interests.
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At 13:13 -0800 2003-12-05, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
On the other hand, if you asked him nicely, Mark might find the more
marked form, NFD, to his liking, especially since it is likely to
contain more combining marks. Mark is definitely in favor of
markedness. I, on the other hand, am definitely
used in Athapascan.
What shall we do? Research seems required. ;-)
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HOOK (not the Germanic one)
And we find a T-with-stroke that corresponds to U+01AE LATIN CAPITAL
LETTER T WITH HOOK and should be considered a glyph variant. Note the
glyph variant of U+01A9 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER ESH.
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-case text word-internally. Now that's not necessarily a
problem; PALOCHKA is also upper-case and is used word-internally. But
I thought I'd mention it.
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mess with the basic glottal stop itself.
How would you like to display that in the code charts? This seems
worse, much worse, than the INSULAR G that you didn't like.
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Peter Constable is right: it is a lower-case glottal which has been
innovated in Athapascan.
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innovated a
wide capital to distinguish it from the lowercase tall letter. But
they didn't.
It would be nice to see texts and to have a local expert's view.
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At 17:24 -0800 2003-12-05, Peter Constable wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Michael Everson
I was looking at a book on Cherokee phonetics today and 0294 was used
in lower-case text word-internally. Now that's not necessarily a
problem; PALOCHKA is also
*will* be used, rather than the little
bit of data generated in the last twenty years.
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.
The shape chosen, U+04BA, was essentially a wide variant of h with
upper case serifs (conveniently also an inverted U+0427).
In principle, but that's not how the Athapascans are drawing their glottals.
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Of course, display of coloured diacritics isn't plain text.
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At 14:20 -0800 2003-12-08, D. Starner wrote:
http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2676.pdf is a
complete listing of new symbols to go into Unicode 4.1.
Remember that it's all still draft; there's a rumor
going around that Ken Whistler and Michael Everson plan
to get together after too much
Elaine asked
Eggnog sounds good--Guiness is that scary dark
stuff--distilled from peat bog water with charcoal for
flavor, right?--Elaine
Wrong.
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stop, that should be sufficient
to let people then design and use their fonts as desired,
without disturbing the identity of the already existing
encoded character, U+0294 LATIN LETTER GLOTTAL STOP.
I won't fight you on this one.
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. Maybe we need a pint glass
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At 23:40 -0800 2003-12-08, Peter Constable wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael Everson
to use the kinds of uppercase
glyph models used in similar instances of after-the-fact
uppercase inventions based on IPA or other phonetic
alphabets and usages.
A modified capital P would
At 11:06 -0800 2003-12-09, John Hudson wrote:
At 06:54 AM 12/9/2003, Michael Everson wrote:
Hm. We have a hot beverage symbol. Maybe we need a pint glass
... and combining shamrock and harp marks.
I did get the shamrock in. ;-)
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I have no problem with Qumran scribes being multilingual or using
Greek symbols in either Coptic or Hebrew or Aramaic text.
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