Re: Aw: Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-11-10 Thread Walter Tross via Unicode
Correct. Just a note: the current hyphenation is Bä-cker (as I wrote in a previous email) ( https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Baecker ) 2017-11-10 4:27 GMT+01:00 Philippe Verdy via Unicode : > So this is effectively (custom HTML-like markup) > "Bäck-ker" > > >

Re: Aw: Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-11-09 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
So this is effectively (custom HTML-like markup) "Bäck-ker" 2017-11-10 4:11 GMT+01:00 Asmus Freytag via Unicode : > On 11/9/2017 6:40 PM, Elias Mårtenson via Unicode wrote: > > On 9 November 2017 at 18:12, Walter Tross wrote: > >> Long story short:

Re: Aw: Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-11-09 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
2017-11-10 3:40 GMT+01:00 Elias Mårtenson via Unicode : > On 9 November 2017 at 18:12, Walter Tross wrote: > >> Long story short: it's Abschlusssatz now (and Rollladen, etc.) One of the >> criteria of the reform was to normalise hyphenation. This has

Re: Aw: Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-11-09 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/9/2017 6:40 PM, Elias Mårtenson via Unicode wrote: On 9 November 2017 at 18:12, Walter Tross wrote: Long story short: it's Abschlusssatz now (and

Re: Aw: Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-11-09 Thread Elias Mårtenson via Unicode
On 9 November 2017 at 18:12, Walter Tross wrote: > Long story short: it's Abschlusssatz now (and Rollladen, etc.) One of the > criteria of the reform was to normalise hyphenation. This has gone so far > as to hyphenate Bä-cker, with the additional criterion of keeping the

Re: Aw: Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-11-09 Thread Walter Tross via Unicode
Long story short: it's Abschlusssatz now (and Rollladen, etc.) One of the criteria of the reform was to normalise hyphenation. This has gone so far as to hyphenate Bä-cker, with the additional criterion of keeping the c inside its group. 2017-11-09 9:47 GMT+01:00 Elias Mårtenson via Unicode

Re: Aw: Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-11-09 Thread Elias Mårtenson via Unicode
On 4 July 2017 at 00:49, Werner LEMBERG via Unicode wrote: > > > No, the hyphenation oddity involving the addition of letters with > > hyphenation (or, to be more precise, to suppress letters in > > unhyphenated words) never affected the letter s. > > I'm not sure that this

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-04 Thread Gerrit Ansmann via Unicode
On 04.07.2017 12:19, Otto Stolz via Unicode wrote: I was referring to contemporary writing systems. Indeed, several east European languages (including, e. g. Latvian) were written in blackletter, with German sound-letter correspondence, before they developped their own writing systems. Sure.

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-04 Thread Otto Stolz via Unicode
Hello, on 03.07.2017 19:01, Otto Stolz via Unicode wrote: Since German ist the only language using “ß” (if I am not mistaken), […] Am 2017-07-03 um 20:15 Uhr hat Gerrit Ansmann geschrieben: Some old Sorbian (blackletter) orthographies also employed the ß. It was also used at the beginning of

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-03 Thread Gerrit Ansmann via Unicode
On 03.07.2017 19:01, Otto Stolz via Unicode wrote: Since German ist the only language using “ß” (if I am not mistaken), […] Some old Sorbian (blackletter) orthographies also employed the ß. It was also used at the beginning of words where it was capitalised to Sſ at the beginning of

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-03 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
a.lukyanov wrote: > Is it possible to design fonts that will render ẞ as SS? > > So we could choose between ẞ and SS by just selecting the proper font, > without changing the text itself. > > Or perhaps there will be a "font feature" to select this rendering > within the same font. I thought

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-03 Thread Otto Stolz via Unicode
Hello, am 2017-06-30 um 17:34 Uhr hat Michael Everson geschrieben: It would be sensible to case-map ß to ẞ however. Since German ist the only language using “ß” (if I am not mistaken), Unicode should comply with the official German orthographic rules with respect to this letter. As I have

Re: Aw: Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-03 Thread Werner LEMBERG via Unicode
> No, the hyphenation oddity involving the addition of letters with > hyphenation (or, to be more precise, to suppress letters in > unhyphenated words) never affected the letter s. I'm not sure that this is really true. As far as I know, `sss' in Swiss German was handled similar to other

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-03 Thread Otto Stolz via Unicode
Hello, am 2017-07-03 um 18:16 Uhr habe ich geschrieben: This rule did hold for all consonants, there’s nothing particular about double-s. On 2017-07-03 at 18:05 Jörg Knappen had written: the hyphenation oddity … never affected the letter s. Jörg is right. I forgot the additional rule that

Aw: Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-03 Thread Jörg Knappen
, the hyphenation oddity is removed completely.   --Jörg Knappen   Gesendet: Montag, 03. Juli 2017 um 09:43 Uhr Von: "Alastair Houghton" <alast...@alastairs-place.net> An: "Jörg Knappen" <jknap...@web.de> Cc: a.lukya...@yspu.org, unicode@unicode.org Betreff: Re: LATIN C

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-03 Thread Alastair Houghton via Unicode
On 2 Jul 2017, at 16:59, Jörg Knappen via Unicode wrote: > > > Is it possible to design fonts that will render ẞ as SS? > > In fact, that has happened long before the capital letter sharp s was added > to Unicode: The T1 encoding (aka Cork encoding) of LaTeX > does this

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-02 Thread Michael Everson via Unicode
Now that it has been added, however, the situation is different. > On 2 Jul 2017, at 16:59, Jörg Knappen via Unicode wrote: > > > Is it possible to design fonts that will render ẞ as SS? > > In fact, that has happened long before the capital letter sharp s was added >

Aw: Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-02 Thread Jörg Knappen
all caps.   --Jörg Knappen   Gesendet: Samstag, 01. Juli 2017 um 08:51 Uhr Von: "a.lukyanov via Unicode" <unicode@unicode.org> An: unicode@unicode.org Betreff: Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized Is it possible to design fonts that will render ẞ as SS?

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-02 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Sat, 01 Jul 2017 09:51:00 +0300 "a.lukyanov via Unicode" wrote: > Is it possible to design fonts that will render ẞ as SS? > > So we could choose between ẞ and SS by just selecting the proper > font, without changing the text itself. > > Or perhaps there will be a "font

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-01 Thread Michael Everson via Unicode
On 1 Jul 2017, at 10:34, Werner LEMBERG via Unicode wrote: > It's even more complicated. Take for example the word `Straße' > (street), which gets capitalized as `STRASSE’. Or as STRAẞE. > In Germany and Austria this word gets hyphenated as `STRA-SSE' (since >

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG via Unicode
> > Is it possible to design fonts that will render ẞ as SS? > > > > So we could choose between ẞ and SS by just selecting the proper > > font, without changing the text itself. > > I think, and others agree, that this is a bad thing. Those who want > SS can simply use 'S' and 'S', ẞ was

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-01 Thread David Faulks via Unicode
. On Sat, 7/1/17, a.lukyanov via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: Subject: Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized To: unicode@unicode.org Received: Saturday, July 1, 2017, 2:51 AM Is it possible to design fonts that will render ẞ as SS? So we could choose bet

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-07-01 Thread a.lukyanov via Unicode
Is it possible to design fonts that will render ẞ as SS? So we could choose between ẞ and SS by just selecting the proper font, without changing the text itself. Or perhaps there will be a "font feature" to select this rendering within the same font.

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-06-30 Thread Christoph Päper via Unicode
Letters in some scripts are a class of two or more characters. Usually, all letters have the same number of such case variants. Rarely, characters may be constituents of different letters within the same script. A closed set of letters, usually with a canonical sort order, makes an alphabet.

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-06-30 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
True but this only applies to "simple case mappings" (those in the main datatase), not to extended mappings (which are locale dependant, such as mappings for dotted and undotted i in Turkish). So the extended mappings can perfectly be changed for German: they are not part of the stability policy

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-06-30 Thread Mathias Bynens via Unicode
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Michael Everson via Unicode wrote: > > It would be sensible to case-map ß to ẞ however. I’m hoping this can happen — converting ß to SS is lossy, so mapping to ẞ would be far superior. However,

Re: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER SHARP S officially recognized

2017-06-30 Thread Michael Everson via Unicode
It would be sensible to case-map ß to ẞ however. > On 30 Jun 2017, at 16:29, Otto Stolz via Unicode wrote: > > Hello, > > der Rat für deutsche Rechtschreibung which is responsible for the further > development of the official German orthography has finally recognized