Friend of mine asked for advice on what sort of graphics card to put in a
machine he is putting together for his kid. It will be i5 probably, and he
wants to get something that will be respectable with photoshop processing.
An i3 of mine with onboard graphics was definitely not fast enough
A solution is to change owner. After chown to my user, it runs and updates
the DGH fine. Should not have to do this, however, and it does not solve
the problem that every account should be able to use it. I will write to
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zyrip, it did not work for me, but chown -R of runrev to my account did. I
still don't understand the reregistration problem but will raise it with
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Chipp, not saying you are wrong, but how would you know? That's the thing
that got me, and why I think Alejandro's thought of taking Windows offline
is quite sensible. The problem with windows getting compromised is I am not
sure you necessarily know when its happened. Most studies on anti
Yes, I get this too. Always assumed it was a feature, just the way it works.
How are you modifying the button graphic? What I have done is underlay a
graphic with a transparent button not showing its name, but you'll have
thought of that.
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Zryip, another thing which is probably a Linux peculiarity, the DGH is asking
should it do an upgrade. So you say yes, but then it can't open the file.
Its probably permissions. The LC app is installed into /opt, and of course
the user does not have write permissions in /opt, which is what the
Has anyone else had this?
I installed and registered my 4.5 copy. Works fine. Now, I want to update
the Slug's package. It won't let me, most likely because its installed the
app in /opt and as user I have no write privileges there.
OK, no problem, become root with the root environment,
Yes, there is a .revolution folder. And it does indeed have a cryptic
preferences text file in it. But what I'm having trouble understanding is
that if I just acquire root permissions, by doing
su
rather than doing
su -
Then I retain the same home directory. So if I then fire up
pe...@:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5$ ls
Documentation livecode.x86 Resources Runtime
Externals Pluginsrevpdfprinter.so Toolset
License Agreement.txt Release Notes.pdf revsecurity.so
pe...@:/opt/runrev/livecode-4.5$ ./livecode.x86
Nope, same thing. Also su -m -p, or su -p, also same thing. Weird.
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I don't know if its safer than current versions of Windows 7 intelligently
used. It certainly is a lot safer than earlier versions of XP, used as they
came out of the box.
One reason is that desktop linux is a small population and so not being
targeted.
A second is when you do an install, it
Yes, the interesting question, don't know the answer, is if you set up
windows in the same way Linux is normally set up, limited user accounts and
so on, how much more vulnerable would it be? Those hack fests they have
every so often suggest that OSX is a dead duck almost right away, Windows
not
Yes, it was the annual hackfests. I only know two people with OSX, and
neither one has been compromised. Whether the Unix underpinnings make OSX
more secure? I think the hacks, but maybe others recall better, were due to
applications and privilege escalation.
I am really not sure what to
Thanks guys, food for thought. This would probably do most of it, have him
able to write it in something he is comfortable with, but also centralize it
so as not to proliferate copies. Should have thought of it. Thanks.
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I have been to http://revweb.runrev.com/ and it says, as it has for some
years now, that the Linux version is coming shortly.
Is it in fact coming? And if so when? I'm asking because I need that kind
of functionality one way or another in the next couple of months.
Peter
Its a really simple application, its for a guy that I work with. I would
really like for him to be able to write it and keep it going himself. I am
lately rather seriously in the mode of lessening people's dependence on me
for this stuff. What it is, he will have a large map on a big screen.
Well thanks to this thread at least I found out where the # key went on the
UK Mac keyboards, which maybe might come in handly one day. Its surreal to
have it be alt + 3 unmarked. How on earth are you supposed to know that?
I guess you have to read the Human Interface Guidelines?
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To most people, this has never had anything to do with OS choice or with
Apple's stock price. It has to do with corporate conduct. It has to do
with the following:-
1) Do you want a society in which your access to applications and thus
increasingly to media is in the control of a few
Yes, Richard's post is spot on. They have a track record, and this is how it
will start.
Peter
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The Apple corded full USB is very nice. Far better than the Cherry Strait
which is a contender also, but the keycaps wear off. Otherwise, Logitech
OEM is very good value and everyone really likes it. Or the extreme
clickety clack made by PCKeyboards, which if they are into that sort of
thing,
I have to say, reluctantly, not being an admirer of Apple or its works, that
the latest keyboards, if that's the sort of thing you want, basically do not
have any competition. I was using the aluminum usb full one, really came to
like it, apart from the irritating keycaps. It is virtually
Chipp Walters wrote:
Jeez, how long before you have to JAILBREAK your Mac in order to put
your
own programs on it? I believe it's just around the corner..haven't been
wrong yet.
We all have to decide, its both a personal thing and a society thing. The
personal thing
is do we
Have you tested the increase type size on Linux? It does not seem to work
for me. Debian Squeeze and Fluxbox.
Peter
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Its a most wise and helpful creature, this Slug, and so I bought it.
Peter
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I have done set the rect of stack xyz to the screen rect.
With Gnome this floats the stack above but touching the task bar, as with
all apps meximized, with no overlap. With Fluxbox, the task bar is
overlappng and over the stack which occupies the whole screen, and this
happens with all apps.
Yes this is right, it does it with flux on Debian also.
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I do like wmii, but what I keep coming back to for everyday use is Fluxbox,
and some of the time ion2. Mostly Fluxbox feels very intuitive and plain.
I agree the suckless people are very interesting.
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Printing and fonts are the big deals. I haven't encountered the slowness in
tables, and have never used ODBC. I would check all displays to make sure
the fonts fit at different size displays, check revPrintField to make sure
it works (it does not for me), check print card, which used to print
It is always a Faustian pact, using closed source software, especially when
it is in rapid development. Rev is perfectly entitled to abandon the Media
experiment. It was noble, but evidently it did not work out. I also think
its treated the Studio buyers such as myself fairly, it was entitled
No, I missed out on the fun with vi and ed. I am old enough to remember text
only interfaces however and felt that the GUI was a great liberation from
them. This was Macs, and for many years I bought into 'ease of use' and
HIGs until the GUIs started to get more and more obtrusive and
Sorry, sloppy, I meant tab delimited. I do tend to wrongly say csv and
automatically assume that tab delimited will be understood.
Peter
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The interesting thing about ion is that it makes you think really hard
about what is ease of use, what is user friendly, what about those famous
laws, the HIG, and the one about where your points of clicking ought to be
that I always forget the name of because I hate it so much. Here is how
I have finally fired up Rev Media 4.0 on two minimalist Linux distributions
as a start on the effort to discover whether the problems are really due to
not having all the necessary files installed, and whether they are due to
the mulifarious nature of Linux.
I began with Slitaz and Tiny Core,
Richmond, I am just trying to find out if there ARE any dependencies of note
that will not be included in most any distro. I think the answer is
probably no based on this. I do not expect anyone to use these distros in
anger, except for embedded systems.
I also wanted to know, were any of the
It's a nice work, but I'm not sure it's the best choice for testing
standards.
No, agreed. Or rather, admitted! But Rev should however work with tiling
window managers, as long as everything else does with them. If it did, it
would probably do virtual desktops right as well. No, this is not
Andre, thanks so much for this. I picked up Bash, Python and Web. Now it is
only a question of finding the energy to work through them. As the poet
said (or rather the parody of him said): As we get older, we do not get any
younger...
Peter
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Bob, are you saying, just the tables...? So why not export the tables as
csv? Am I missing something to do with relations?
Peter
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http://jimlynch.com/index.php/2010/09/09/linux-mints-debian-delight/
Another review, more of an explanation for why. In lots of ways, Mint is
Debian for the rest of us. Or as Lynch puts it, Debian on steroids. I like
Debian straight up, but can see the attractions of grafting on the Ubuntu
http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/debunking-the-1-myth.html
Saw this today. Martin is an intelligent well informed writer. Its
admittedly OT but maybe worth posting in view of recent discussions about
the potential for the Linux flavor of Rev.
Peter
This may also be of interest to some of you or your customers. The problem
with Ubuntu has always been that it is not a rolling release. Mint is a
well regarded flavor of Ubuntu. Well now the Mint guys have now released a
Debian based version of Mint, and it is a rolling release.
Hey, this is really great news. Looking forward to getting my hands on this
one!
Peter
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Richmond, sincere apologies if the slightly flip tone was upsetting in
difficult circumstances. We are struggling with our own expensive hardware
issues right now, so I know the feeling.
All the same, later and at leisure, the serious point is that it may no
longer be worth struggling with old
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
Is this the point where I try to find a computer engineer?
No, this is the point at which you make a Hackintosh!
Peter
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If YOU were wanting to print the text from a Field named Results what
specifically would YOU script...
Well, you did ask!
Stop struggling with revPrintField etc. Just export the content to a text
file, then call some other program to print it.
Peter
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Yes, excellent! From a long list of things the exclusively linux user takes
so for granted that it never occurs to him he needs to explain them to
anyone else. Good one!
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I'm not knocking it, this is indeed absolutely the right way to track down
and fix dependencies. But it would be a mistake to think this is the source
or the main source of the Rev on Linux problems. You can pass the test,
have all the dependencies, which I always have had, and you will still
OK, I'm corrected. But still, is there any evidence that cut and paste
problems in the editor, inability to handle fonts properly, issues with
printing, mutliple desktop issues, any evidence any of them are due to
library or dependency compatibility issues?
Maybe they are - in that case lets
It seems to be an alternative to Rev, not a complement to it. When fully
featured, you will write code in a different IDE, and it will run on any OS
that has an HTML5 compatible browser. That is, it will run on all but
hobbyist OSs, and it will run in all mainstream browsers.
You will not need
Ian Wood-3 wrote:
On 26 Jul 2010, at 10:22, Richmond wrote:
Ahah; what I don't understand is why RunRev don't seem to have a problem
about something that could be seen as a direct competitor advertising on
their use-list:
Probably because it's powered by On-Rev/revServer under the
There is Gnome-Mag in Linux. Never used it, but it was part of Gnome's
effort to be visually impaired compliant. It seems to install automatically
as part of the Debian distro, so its probably in Ubuntu also, if not, must
be in the repositories.
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Wise comment. Mac and Windows seems from my perspective to be basically a
matter of personal preference with Apple being the more restrictive of the
two in the ways in which Open Source people care about. Its Coke and Pepsi,
both having too much sugar, one a bit more than the other.
Open
If you can afford to drop your own money on overpriced hardware, then I
suppose you aren't in any kind of place to judge what I have to do to
survive.
This has been part of the reason I have installed Linux for some people.
One case in particular comes to mind, a thoroughly infected machine
apt-get remove glipper
apt-get install klipper
Done.
Peter
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Sarah, I guess actually that you won't be limited to webkit based browsers,
as long as they fully support HTML5, is that not right? Its a question of
supporting an open standard. So the answer to the original question might
be, right now you need a webkit based browser for editing and app
All the same, it cannot just be parcellite (never heard of that before)
because my crash on cut and paste occurred in a totally untweaked Debian new
install, so it must be using glipper as the clipboard. The thing to do
might be, replace parcellite with glipper, then reproduce Andre's result,
-- revPrintField needs to work properly - permit font choices and formatting.
This is a major hassle, what you would be able to do with it, you're instead
obliged to export the file and then hack around in awk or something
similar.
-- virtual desktops, ie the ability to put different windows
That is brilliant! Cannot imagine how you ever thought of trying that. I'll
fire up Gnome and have a go.
Much of today was spent struggling with trying to decode a .mny file for
someone. Hopeless. You cannot even go through it and extract the ascii.
It will no longer open in any of the
Webkit came about like this. KDE, who make a Linux desktop environment
complete with office apps etc, developed a rendering engine as the basis for
their browser, called Konqueror. It was open source.. Apple then took this
rendering engine and made it the basis of Safari. There was tooing and
Yes, this is indeed a complete showstopper, there is no Mac hardware in the
future of quite a lot of us. Its very interesting, in particular the
Transfer package is very interesting, but nothing is interesting enough to
move one back into that particular ghetto.
On the future of web apps on
Sarah, could you explain exactly what one can do from Linux.
Edit the app using another editor. Then load it to the Rodeo server. Then
make a standalone that will run under webkit in Linux?
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Richmond, presumably you used the command to set which the movie player is?
You did
set videoClipPlayer
and gave the full path of the executable? I've never done this, but it
sounds like it ought to work. Yes, the instructions in the dictionary on
what is the default do seem a little
OK, this is how to reproduce it.
Fire up Rev, start a new stack, put a button on it.
Now open the script editor, the property inspector, the dictionary.
Send the dictionary to desktop A, the property inspector to desktop B.
Now use either the dictionary, property inspector or the editor.
They're a small outfit with limited resources, and to some extent we are in
this together. I agree, its not optimal, but rolling up our sleeves is
probably the way to make progress. Maybe there should be some buyer caveats
around the Linux version marketing materials also, to manage
This is on Fluxbox, Debian Squeeze, six desktops. I did the recipe just to
verify, and crashed Flux and logged out, which is sort of amazing. What
happened was, all the bits of Rev did indeed reassemble themselves onto one
desktop. Then, in Fluxbox, you can flip through the desktops by
Here is how I would go about tracking down these things. Just to recap,
the things we are seeking to track down are these four:
-- not all and only installed fonts are visible and useable
-- revPrintField does not work properly
-- virtual desktops don't work
-- editor slows down, freezes and
Yes, wise post. Sad but wise. We all get to the same place on this in the
end, the trick is to try to remain both forceful and good humored while
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There is no Linux per se. Linux is like blocks, modules that people
snap together at will. Without a known set of variables, Rev is very
likely to fail in some areas depending on which software the current
user has installed.
Jacque, I don't think this is either true, or a useful explanation of
If anyone wants to follow along with Slackware, this is where to get the
isos. Only the first three CDs should be needed.
http://spheniscus.uio.no/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-13.1-iso/
Be aware though, this is not exactly Linux as she is known today, this is
not the land of graphical
The point is diagnostic. If we knew the answer, there would be no need to do
this. We need to find the lowest level at which the problems occur. Or
don't occur. At the moment, we have no idea if its Linux, Gnome, Ubuntu.
We have no idea if its the basic packages as they come from the
Let me explain again. You take the most minimalist possible Linux. As
little gui tools as possible. You take the distro that has the least
possible tweaking of any applications. Then you try to find out: do
virtual desktops work here? Are all fonts visible here? Does the editor
crash here?
I'm not (publicly at least) telling Kevin how to run his business. I am
saying to him, I bought it, and I want it to work. That is an entirely
legitimate point to make, first privately, then publicly if that has no
results.
Are native Linux apps distro and installation specific? No. Are they
Alejandro, I have never compiled either one from source, they are included in
the repositories with their dependencies. Gedit, being a gnome package,
probably needs the basic gnome libraries. I looked up Python dependencies
in Slackware, which does not automatically resolve them, and found a
Its probably libc that is required. In Debian, glibc seems to refer to the
source package. But whatever, it is going to be built in to any mainstream
distro, and almost all minority interest ones too.
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Richard, your offer of tracking down and submitting patches or fixes is a
wonderful gesture. I will try to document some of them to you privately
with very complete recipes.
The stuff about RB is a bit dismaying. I do find it rather forbidding, and
actually, if forced to leave Rev, have
The choice of software components that makes Linux so appealing to its users
is also the reason that Rev doesn't work with everything.
Jacque, I'm afraid this is really not what is going on. Consider a personal
case. I now use mainly ion2 and openbox as window managers. Before that it
was
Here is how it should work. Fire up Open Office. Now open the help screen.
You now have an open document window and the help window on the same
desktop. Now click in the very top left part of the help screen. Or you
may have to right click it, I forget exactly how Gnome does it. You should
Tell me, why is there no custom version of gedit for each individual
distribution? Or Python? This is a crazy idea. The problems are not
because it is insufficiently tailored to one particular distribution that it
works flawlessly on, the problems are because it does not work properly on
You see, Richmond, what you needed was regular expressions.
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Jacque,
Its 1920 x 1080.
When you set the text size, it works but only partly. Some of the fonts
come up the right size, others do not. Some parts of a para in the
dictionary are resized, other parts not. The objects also are not resized,
so they don't fit any more.
To make any
Its a 22 inch, a wide screen, and it seems to be 10.5 inches high. Fonts in
the dictionary appear to be about 4 point.
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Rev on Linux has become pretty much unusable after buying a bigger screen
with higher resolution, since unless you change the monitor to a lower
resolution every time Rev starts up, the IDE is unreadably small.
Is it possible to use Native Geometry to fix this?
Peter
The most dangerous argument any company can entertain on this subject. The
question is, how the company handles reported product defects, what sort of
quality control it operates, whether the result of its resource allocations
is to end up doing many things badly, because it has taken on too
How about that? It does open and run the sample stacks in the Media
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I am thinking of offering to introduce one of my neighbor's sons to rev
media. His mother had voiced the view that she wished he would learn
something creative or useful to do with his computer, if he was going to
spend all this time on it, something she would feel better about than an
The price of doing some things well, if you are a company with limited
resources, is refusing to do everything badly.
Or put it the other way, the price of trying to do too much is that you will
not do anything properly or well. In the end, this is company wrecking.
Its a life and death
We need Rev to tell us straightforwardly: Do they admit that basic
functionality in the Linux version is broken? If so, do they intend to fix
it?
Out of deference to Jacque, Richard and Richmond, I will now bite my tongue,
except to note this is not about whether Rev and I are suited. This is
I've never had this on any Linux version. Maybe it is specific to this issue
of Ubuntu? What I have had in the way of slowdowns has always been with the
editor, slow, freeze and crash. Not as described here though.
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Wolfgang, if this were the only problem, then every reboot would take care of
all the font problems, until you installed more fonts.
That is not my experience. It varies from distro to distro, but my
experience is that after very many reboots, you still have a situation where
Rev fails to see
It might be something to do with subjunctives - English does have them,
though they are hard to recognize.
I want that you give me that apple. that seems to be OK if a little old
fashioned and stilted. I want that he obey his teacher (not, that he
obeys). Its a bit like je veux que tu ailles
Is the editor open? What happens if you open it and do cut and paste?
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http://stackoverflow.com/questions/73930/linux-desktop-shortcut-and-icon-from-install
http://linux.die.net/man/1/xdg-desktop-icon
You have to either have users who will do desktop icons for themselves, or
you have to write a shell script. Or, there is a free Linux installer,
installjammer,
Richmond, one sees no signs they are even working on this - and other
problems. Are expressions of anger and impatience any less productive than
compliant silence? This is not an excusable way for a company to behave!
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Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
This is all very charming, but I wonder how one would
effect this from a standalone on an end-user's machine . . . :)
You'd have to write an install or first use shell script. Get the user,
then the root password, then write an extra line to /etc/sudoers.
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article7148846.ece
'Maclean is now working with software developers to circumvent Apple’s
restrictions via a web app that he hopes “will offer everything an Apple app
can, but you can access it with a browser like any
Can you imagine finding these directions on how to use installed fonts on a
Python mailing list? Its simply ridiculous. Rev needs to make the fonts
work on Rev like they do on all other applications. Or stop selling the
thing!
There are in excess of 20k packages in the Debian repositories.
Is there a reason you cannot use the NOPASSWD option in sudo? Maybe this is
not how it works in OSX, but what you'd normally do is to edit /etc/sudoers
to allow this particular user to perform this particular command with the no
password option, and its done. If you do this, the command can be
From memory, as I don't run Gnome any longer, having moved to Fluxbox or
ion2.
First create your link on the desktop or in the task bar.
In the task bar, right click, then when you get to the add application
window, take custom application, give the full path as prompted - or browse
to the
It depends if you want to program, use the IDE, in Linux.
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J. Landman Gay wrote:
Since it's a third party product, I think the rodeo site would be more
appropriate.
Yes.
Basically, Rev is turning into (has turned into? has always been?) a two
class product. There is one class, which can buy the add-ins and thus get
access to all kinds of
Francois, there are probably two quite distinct issues, with two different
legalities. Probably in the EU, at least in most jurisdictions, Apple will
not be able to enforce the prohibition on installing retail copies of OSX on
third party hardware. It is interesting they have brought no cases
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