Re: An Eclipse Like WebApp Framework? -- a proposal

2004-10-14 Thread Ted Husted
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:26:20 -0700, Michael McGrady wrote:  PROPOSAL/SUGGESTION  If you were interested, we might try doing this as a Struts Branch,  maybe calling it Branch or Struts Branch, with a really up-to-  date modular structure along the lines indicated in Stuart Dabbs  Halloway's

Re: Are there Struts Applications in real life out there?

2004-11-09 Thread Ted Husted
LOL. :) Yes, over the last two years at least nineteen different publishers each decided to publish books about Struts, surely selling over a hundred thousand copies combined -- but no one is actually using it in production. :) You might as well ask whether the moon is really made of green

Re: AW: Are there Struts Applications in real life out there?

2004-11-09 Thread Ted Husted
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 16:40:11 +0100, Stahlhut, Axel wrote:  because i know that there are still a lot of decision-makers around  that do not trust OpenSource products in their productive  environments. I think you only need to review some of the email addresses subscribed to this list to lean

Re: AW: AW: Are there Struts Applications in real life out there?

2004-11-09 Thread Ted Husted
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:12:06 +0100, Stahlhut, Axel wrote:  but the one of ted and some others i see standing 'round in my  bookshelf... And if you were thinking of adding any others ... I just had the pleasure of reviewing a new Jakarta Struts Cookbook by Bill Siggelkow (ORA - ISBN

RE: Are there Struts Applications in real life out there?

2004-11-09 Thread Ted Husted
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:08:58 -0600, Chappell, Simon P wrote:  I think that the Struts inside approach will continue for a  while, because many customer facing websites are written by the PHP  and Perl CGI crowd, while the Intranet/Internal applications are  more often written by the Java/J2EE

RE: PoweredBy stories (was Are there ...)

2004-11-09 Thread Ted Husted
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:08:58 -0600, Chappell, Simon P wrote:  Try the following link for a list of sites and companies who are  known to use Struts:  http://simonpeter.com/techie/java/struts/sites.html  This is a list composed from reports by folks on this very list. So  unless you do not

Re: JerichoFaces ?

2004-11-19 Thread Ted Husted
For the sake of clarity, I'm crossposting this one message, but otherwise only respond to this thread on the dev list. People interested in this sort of thing should subscribe to the dev list. (Please, please, do.) On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:52:07 -0800, Dakota Jack wrote:  My discussion of Struts

Re: JSF and Struts (off topic)

2005-01-11 Thread Ted Husted
Check out Mastering JavaServer Faces by Bill Dudley et al. [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471462071/apachesoftwar-20] (Buying a book through this link benefits the ASF.) It does thing like compare writing the same application with JSF and Struts. -Ted. On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:58:06

Re: Simplifying struts-config.xml

2004-07-08 Thread Ted Husted
One thing people do is setup the unknown action action type='com.crackwillow.struts.action.ForwardToForwardAction' unknown=true / The ForwardToForwardToAction would example the request to see what path was requested and extract it for use with your ForwardAction. The new wildcard support

RE: struts automation

2004-07-08 Thread Ted Husted
I think they mean to automatically create a starter class, based on a template, to which you would then add the specific functionality. IDEA does this for classes you reference in your code. If it doesn't exist, it will offer to create the (stub) class for you. A great feature when you are

[ANN] Struts 1.2.1 (Beta) Released

2004-07-11 Thread Ted Husted
The Struts team announces the release of Struts 1.2.1, currently ranked at Beta quality. This release removes many features deprecated in prior releases (Struts 1.1 and Struts 1.0.2) and also provides several new features. Fixes to known problems have been applied. More detail is available at

Re: Which validator approach to use

2004-07-13 Thread Ted Husted
For a large, heavy-duty-input data-driven web application, I would recommend C.  C)  [Conventional class] is NOT used, data form validation is defined within the  validation.xml and handled by struts, the Action class (or some  surrogate) then enforces all business rules. I've had deep

Re: Struts Example for standards

2004-07-15 Thread Ted Husted
http://struts.apache.org/learning.html#Examples But, it's not required. This check was made in earlier versions of the Struts Mailreader and justified as defensive programming. If the ActionForm was missing, the Action created one. Later, the check was removed, since the Action should not be

Re: Which version is the offcial and stable version?

2004-08-03 Thread Ted Husted
http://struts.apache.org/acquiring.html On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:54:53 +0200, Zsolt Koppany wrote:  Hi,  I have been using struts-1.1 for a long time but consider to  upgrade. Which is the current official and stable version? When  comes the next stable version? Should I upgrade know or should I  

Re: Struts 1.2

2004-08-25 Thread Ted Husted
Struts 1.2.1 is available here: http://struts.apache.org/acquiring.html and, yes, Struts 1.2.2 will be the latest nightly build for the day we roll it. (Looks like today!) -Ted. On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:41:10 -0500, David Durham wrote:  Bill Siggelkow wrote:  I am using Struts 1.2;  Where do

Re: Struts 1.2.x

2004-08-25 Thread Ted Husted
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:22:34 -0700 (PDT), name withheld wrote:  Do you know when 1.2.1 (or whatever is the latest version) is going  to be GA'd?  I see that it's been in Beta for about 5 weeks, but my  boss won't let me install it to production boxes unless it's in GA  status.  We have a major

Re: 1.2

2004-08-27 Thread Ted Husted
Thanks! That's a typo that crept in when the page was updated for the 1.2.2 release. I'll fix it now. For the next few days at least, 1.1 is still the best available version. On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:23:12 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I'm confused.  The Struts acquiring page says 1.2 is

Re: Hibernate VS ibatis, which is better?

2004-09-02 Thread Ted Husted
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:45:03 +1200, struts Dude wrote:  Seeing so many support for either side,  I might as well flip a coin to decide  whether or not to learn hibernate. As a technologies, both are easy-to-use and powerful. The difference is that they use different paradigms. As it stands

Re: Hibernate VS ibatis, which is better?

2004-09-03 Thread Ted Husted
On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:33:44 -0500, David Durham wrote:  Way to shut down a perfectly good thread, Ted.  -)  BTW, I read  your book.  When's the book covering 2.0 due? 2.0 of what? :) As it stands, my only plan is to work on open-source documents. Lately, I've been working on an update of

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/9/05, Murray Collingwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just a humble Struts user (and relatively new), and I don't claim to speak for the group as a whole. I have read through Donald Brown's presentation (Struts 1.3 and beyond) and I get the feeling that the goal posts just don't

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-10 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/10/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the past few months there have been a number of people who have attempted to evolve Struts to catch up in some ways with what other frameworks are doing. They have been turned away, sometimes for obviously legitimate reasons,

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-11 Thread Ted Husted
because it will theoretically be easier to do them then. Is that a fair assessment? If so, I for one look forward to the 1.3 release even more than I did before :) Frank Ted Husted wrote: On 9/10/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the past few months there have been

Re: Who decides?

2005-09-11 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/10/05, Murray Collingwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am very happy to contribute towards the development of Struts (since Craig invited me) however I'm still kinda new so I might not be much use for a while. So, here I am sticking up my virtual hand and asking what would you like me

Re: Who (really) decides?

2005-09-12 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/10/05, Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Frank that, what Ted says, is nice and right and everything, but it's the theory. The real life shows it's cold shoulder. I don't know whether my example fits your question, but at least it fits the topic of the thread, so it

Re: Who (really) decides?

2005-09-12 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/12/05, Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I submit a patch to the documentation? It's the same as code, only to XML source. * http://jakarta.apache.org/site/source.html#Patches And I think there is no PMC for tomcat? Apache Tomcat was established as a top-level project in

Re: Chain of commands in 1.3

2005-09-12 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/9/05, Marco Mistroni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This answer is from my point of view Following Ted's example, All my business logic is now in the Command.. all action does Is simply To build context and pass it to the command.. so code in action is really very simple.. I think Marco

Re: Who (really) decides?

2005-09-12 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/12/05, David G. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Apache Tomcat was established as a top-level project in May. The PMC members are Funny but I didn't see anything in their front page or main documentation about this when I did a search

Re: To Whom it may concern

2005-09-14 Thread Ted Husted
The decisions are made by the volunteers who write the code. As the code is submitted to the repository, the changes are submitted to the development list for peer review. If someone sees a better way to write the code, the best thing is to submit a patch demonstrating the change. In an Apache

Re: FormDef [was Re: I remember now why I said I usually use my VO in my ActionForm]

2005-09-17 Thread Ted Husted
Just curious, Laurie. Did you ever find a way to use FormDef within your constraints? On 7/18/05, Laurie Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hubert Rabago wrote: On 7/16/05, Laurie Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I then fill the form in using a JSP tag if necessary (i.e. the first time the form

Re: MailReader demo app is rewritten with Struts Dialogs

2005-09-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/21/05, Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Source is available (of course, what did I compile it from ;-) ), but I need to beatify it a little, add javadocs, stuff like that. I could do that as part of a code review. Helps keep me focussed :) -Ted.

Re: JSF or Struts Classic (was Vs)

2005-09-22 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/21/05, Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: relevant plug It is possible to create Struts/JSP components which can do everything from the bulleted list above, maybe not nicely packaged, but they can be called components nonetheless:

Re: JSF or Struts Classic (was Vs)

2005-09-22 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/22/05, Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that ASP.NET component approach relies on massive IDE and backend support. I wonder how to encapsulate one component into another with JSF or ASP.NET. Visual tools help to drag the component on the screen Hmmm, I wouldn't say rely.

Re: MailReader demo app is rewritten with Struts Dialogs

2005-09-22 Thread Ted Husted
On Sep 11, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Ted Husted wrote (on Struts Dev): My thinking is that each application should be separate, with it's own Maven build, and no shared code between web applications. Though, the MailReader applications could share a business backend, again with its own Maven build

Re: MailReader demo app is rewritten with Struts Dialogs

2005-09-23 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/22/05, Wiebe de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Ted, What would be an appropriate tool for creating the UML diagrams for MailReader? I use Rose for my work, but I think documentation for open source projects needs to be readable by everyone. I found this recent article, but it

Re: MailReader demo app is rewritten with Struts Dialogs

2005-09-23 Thread Ted Husted
Maybe the best thing would be to pursue a MailReader portal that provided system documentation, a test suite, and links to the various implemenations. I'll continue work on this idea at * http://opensource2.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/display/STRUTS/MailReader for now. (Watch the space if you

Re: JSF or Struts Classic (was Vs)

2005-09-26 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/22/05, Michael Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are going to compose an application from components, then the components are more closely aligned with the business objects they encapsulate. A Customer component then may be composed into any number of Applications from Accounts

Re: MailReader demo app is rewritten with Struts Dialogs

2005-09-26 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/23/05, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a great idea, let me know if you need any help. If you want to register at the site, I'll put you into the Struts group, which includes the MailReader area. I got started on the Use Cases today, but won't have a chance to do any more on

Re: MailReader demo app is rewritten with Struts Dialogs

2005-09-26 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/26/05, Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should a person who has not logged in yet, be considered a mere visitor, but not subscriber? Yes. I added that comment to the MailReader Use Case page for future reference. *

Re: The mailreader example, database access

2005-09-27 Thread Ted Husted
Some parts of the MailReader are well designed. Others not so much. Quoting from the Struts 1.2 documentation: * http://struts.apache.org/userGuide/building_controller.html The MailReader example application included with Struts stretches [the MVC] design principle somewhat,

Re: When is Struts 1.2.8 and 1.3 coming out?

2005-10-09 Thread Ted Husted
AFAIK, there probably won't be a Struts 1.2.8. The Struts 1.2.7 release made GA grade in May, and, unless something changes, that may be end of the 1.2.x line. We're slogging along toward a Struts 1.3.0 distribution. The core code is ready, and some people are already using it in production. For

Re: Struts 1.3 - what is new there ?is it based on shale ?

2005-10-10 Thread Ted Husted
On 10/9/05, Legolas Woodland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Thank you for reading my mail. What is new in struts 1.3 ? The codebase that would become Struts 1.3.x is available as our nightly build. A copy of the release notes is available here: *

Re: OT: RE: Development philosophy and such (was: Base action class)

2005-10-10 Thread Ted Husted
On 10/7/05, Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _Listen_ to the customer, +1 that requriements is the silver bullet. I address is w/ both mock ups and prototypes... to demonstrate active listening. In terms of requirements, my favorite silver bullet is Cockburn-style Use Cases. Looking

Re: Custom Struts code or 1.2.8?

2005-10-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 10/14/05, Paul Benedict [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just think of how many releases were for Struts 1.2! Not every release is a General Availability or stable release. Of the seven releases for 1.2.x, three were marked GA (.2, .4, .7), and the rest were left at alpha or beta. The first 1.3.x

Re: Custom Struts code or 1.2.8?

2005-10-14 Thread Ted Husted
Of the seven releases for 1.2.x /s/seven/eight Being geeks, we started with 1.2.0 :) -T. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[ANN] Get a better handle on Struts actions, with Spring

2005-10-15 Thread Ted Husted
Struts Recipes co-author George Franciscus is back with another great Struts integration recipe -- this time for importing Struts applications into the Spring framework. Follow along as George shows you how to revamp Struts actions so they can be managed just like Spring beans. The result is a

Re: What's wrong with DTOs?

2005-10-17 Thread Ted Husted
The original idea was that one Data Transfer Object could be used to represent many domain objects. Perhaps even *all* the domain objects. The view tier could then ferry back and forth this one object instead of having to deal with a plethora of finely grained objects. All the view layer sees is a

Re: What's wrong with DTOs?

2005-10-18 Thread Ted Husted
On 10/18/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may ask now what's the place for HttpServletRequest and its company. I think its natural place is inside the document itself, hidden inside its code, so that the interface is independent from the use of servlet technology. In fact

Re: What's wrong with DTOs?

2005-10-19 Thread Ted Husted
On 10/19/05, Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there are no fractal patterns, but fractal architectures, which follows same pattern in different levels. Example: a typical 3-tier can be considered MVC the presentation layer in the 3-tier could itself be an MVC too (jsp the view,

Re: JSP/design/flow question.

2005-10-24 Thread Ted Husted
+1 On 10/20/05, Borislav Sabev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a look at struts-layout - http://struts.application-servers.com/. Using it you can have only one jsp for both page 1 and page 2 (form mode changes) - using it saves you the time to synch changes between page 1 and page 2. You can

Re: new website look

2005-10-25 Thread Ted Husted
On 10/24/05, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you've mentioned. :) Except for the left-hand column resizing itself smaller than the ApacheCon logo, I don't see any major problems. +1 It's important for people to realize that this is our one and only website. We don't have a staging

Re: new website look

2005-10-25 Thread Ted Husted
On 10/25/05, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone would like to modify the existing stylesheet or come up with a new look for the site, we'll certainly consider it. :) I think I'd like to try it as a section on the home page, rather than on the menu bar. This would also give us room

Re: new website look

2005-10-25 Thread Ted Husted
On 10/25/05, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to try Frank's suggestion to fix the left-hand column, but it sounds like Ted is going to move the logo elsewhere. (Thanks!) So I'll leave it alone and see what you come up with. OK, I'm uploading a new site home page with a

Re: new website look

2005-10-27 Thread Ted Husted
Just to keep things in perspective: The Struts site is not meant to be business-to-consumer. We are geek-to-geek :) The primary purpose of the site is to attract new committers to the project. We don't care about anonymous downloads, or marketshare, or any of that. We care about working together

Re: new website look

2005-10-27 Thread Ted Husted
On 10/26/05, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'm still in the Struts Classic camp at this point in time, but thats because my day job has 4+ years worth of investment in it and I havem't had time to evaluate the alternatives yet. It wouldn't surprise me to find that at

[OT] Trick or Treat? (aka +1 for Struts)

2005-11-01 Thread Ted Husted
There's an interesting poll posted at About.com that asks Java web developers: Which framework would do you plan to use on your next project? By itself, it's an interesting question, but the poll provides only five choices, and does not provide an Other choice. The most interesting thing is that

Re: [announce] html2 Tag Library experiment

2005-11-02 Thread Ted Husted
On 10/31/05, Hubert Rabago [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there's enough interest (and volunteers), we can move this thing to struts.sf.net, otherwise I'll just let this sit there for those brave enough to use it. I'd say that if there is enough interest and volunteers to move it to

Re: Why Chain over Action?

2005-11-07 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/7/05, netsql [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1st, you can use Commons Chain in Struts 1.2.X. In 1.3 the request processor is done in Chain... but a user can't tell. You can use Commons Chain (a CoR pattern) outside of Struts. For more about Commons Chain generally, see also *

Re: Shale timeline

2005-11-08 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/4/05, Rahul Akolkar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a very good write-up somewhere on the Apache site about how releases work, can't find it now, sorry. * http://struts.apache.org/helping.html#release -T. - To

Re: Picking a framework

2005-11-09 Thread Ted Husted
In your situation, you probably want to have a look at Struts Shale and Java Server Faces. JSF is similar to .NET. * http://struts.apache.org/shale/index.html * http://jsfcentral.com/ Shale is still pre-1.0, but I understand the essential features are in the nightly build. Meanwhile, some of us

Re: [OT]what techonolgies will you use to develop a new web application

2005-11-09 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/9/05, Ashish Kulkarni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have to develop a simple web application for CRUD Java Studio Creator is suppose to be nice for that sort of thing: * http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/jscreator/ea/jsc2/index.html -Ted.

Re: [OT] how to convert an existing struts web application into portal

2005-11-09 Thread Ted Husted
This is suppose to work: * http://portals.apache.org/bridges/multiproject/portals-bridges-struts/index.html -- HTH, Ted. http://www.husted.com/poe/ On 11/9/05, Ashish Kulkarni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi We have developed a webapplication using struts, i was wondering is there a straight

Re: Menu Layout

2005-11-12 Thread Ted Husted
If this is the sort of thing you mean * http://demo.raibledesigns.com/struts-menu/permissionsForm.jsp then try this * http://struts-menu.sourceforge.net/ -- HTH, Ted. http://www.husted.com/poe/ On 11/12/05, bib_lucene bib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I looking for a sample to construct

Re: [OT] JSF Interface Design - Is it Truly Limited?

2005-11-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/14/05, pc leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronald, I am a bit confused that MyFaces and Shale both implements JSF. Why you need to use both? why not use one of them? What about Struts-Faces? It integrates Struts and JSF. Do you consider it? MyFaces implements JSR 127 (JavaServer

Re: Upgrade from struts1.0 to 1.2

2005-11-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/14/05, bhas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was able to narrow down the reason for display of a blank page, basically struts 1.0 had perform() method that has been replaced with execute() method since execute() methods was missing in my action classes it was not displaying anything

Re: Upgrade from struts1.0 to 1.2

2005-11-22 Thread Ted Husted
On 11/22/05, Yujun Liang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but I can't find in any document about the removal of the template tag, anybody found that entry? The template taglib was deprecated in Struts 1.1 and removed in Struts 1.2. * http://struts.apache.org/struts-doc-1.1/userGuide/dev_template.html

Re: Ok, I'll bite. Struts + Webwork = Struts Ti?

2005-11-30 Thread Ted Husted
From my viewpoint, the short story is this: If you look at the Struts Roadmap, and you look at WebWork 2.x, you'll see that WebWork has already done most of the things Struts wants to do. Why re-invent the wheel? Essentially, this is a proposal to put WebWorks wheels on the Struts axle. -Ted.

Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

2005-12-01 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/1/05, Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have nothing against WebWork, I had looked into it once or twice, it is surely a nice framework, but I will not buy WebWork skinned as Struts. I think what people sometimes forget is that we're not selling anything. If we were tring to

Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

2005-12-01 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/1/05, Preston CRAWFORD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your overall explaination helps, but it's sitting on a mailing list. Hey, you heard it here first :) All of these explanations start on the user or dev list and work their way into the website. We don't have a marketing staff to run around

Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

2005-12-01 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/1/05, Preston CRAWFORD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean, I'm all for competing frameworks, but when the Struts umbrella covers 3 different frameworks (which in term utilize how many technologies?) it begins to get a little silly. Hmmm, there won't be three, only two. Ti is a codename for

Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

2005-12-01 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/1/05, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the fact that Struts has always stressed backwards compatibility of the key APIs as a fundamental principle is one of they key reasons that it has been successful. Hmmm, perhaps, but not for the obvious reason. I'd guess that 70% of the

Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

2005-12-02 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/2/05, Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Struts died long live Struts? Yes. The ASF envisions that our projects can have livespans counted by decades. Not months, not years. Decades. No one expects a project to retain the same codebase year after year, decade after decade. As

Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

2005-12-03 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/2/05, Preston CRAWFORD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may not be marketing anything, Ted. But those of us out in the field that work with the decision makers and who help in the decision making have to think about these things. It's the reality of living and developing in a world where

Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

2005-12-03 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/2/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Preach on, brother :) :) My own favorite sermon is also an ASF motto: Be the change you want to see in the world. Or, the more popular, sometimes sardonic: Thanks for volunteering. :) On 12/2/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

2005-12-05 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/3/05, Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Husted on 02/12/05 04:29, wrote: We have two because JSF is fundamentally incompatible with action-orientated frameworks. (As stated on the Struts home page.) But, that will not be the case for Ti. We plan to create a clear

Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

2005-12-06 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/5/05, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note -- in order to avoid confusion, though, please listen to what the Struts *committers* are saying, and doing. There are lots of off the wall comments on this thread (and others like it) that represent personal opinions about what is

Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

2005-12-06 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/5/05, Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, these two things are not mutually exclusive. The problem is that people got used to thinking that Struts is a rusty action framework, that is, front controller, usually stateless, and a lot of handwork. My feeling is that committers

Re: Struts Design Question

2005-12-08 Thread Ted Husted
It sounds like WildCard mappings (since Struts 1.2) might help. You would probably only need one set of mappings for any number of catagories. You would probably only need one ActionForm too. If some of the categories don't use some of the properties, then they just travel null. Just give the

Re: Action Config in Struts for Forward Action

2005-12-08 Thread Ted Husted
The reset method would be called in the normal course before the ActionForm is populated. What reset does is up to you. For the base ActionForm, it's an empty method that you can override. In the case of DynaActionForms, you can specify an initial=value and use reset=true to have the property set

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache Struts offers Shale for JSF

2005-12-16 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/16/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: unreasonable. Is Struts an umbrella for two different paths, Shale and Action Framework, or is Shale really potentially the next Struts? I do think there is a contradiction there. One of the core Apache beliefs is that Darwin decides.

Re: Is Scaffold project dead?

2005-12-28 Thread Ted Husted
The code is still available in the sandbox. It can be obtained from the nightly build, or just cut and pasted from the HTML browser. * http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/struts/sandbox/trunk/scaffold/ The actions are very easy to integrate into your own project. Once we get past 1.3.0, we might

[FRIDAY] You might be a geek if ...

2005-12-30 Thread Ted Husted
... for Christmas, Santa brings you all six Star Wars movies, so you can watch them in order, from The Phantom Menace through Revenge of the Jedi. Happy New Year's, every one! -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Struts Shale

2006-01-01 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/28/05, Tadeu Ferreira Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean The shale framework is always the best choice for a new project, considering that the development team does not have experience using MVC frameworks? The tipping point is whether you want to JavaServerFaces. *

[FRIDAY] [Shale] Potential ADF Donation (was ... You might be a geek if ...)

2006-01-02 Thread Ted Husted
? Thank you Best All to everyone, and Happy New Year Rafael Mauricio Nami 2006/1/1, Dakota Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You refer to your youngest as Son number 0. May you all have a great 2006. Bless you all, eveyone. On 12/30/05, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [FRIDAY] [Shale] Potential ADF Donation (was ... You might be a geek if ...)

2006-01-02 Thread Ted Husted
:) It is true that some open source developers use the term commercial quality as a pejorative to mean source code that will be difficult to maintain without the original authors :) -Ted. On 1/2/06, David G. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted, I like your subtle way of saying you don't

Re: managing files

2006-01-03 Thread Ted Husted
I'm replying to the User list, Rakesh, since this not a development question. My favorite approach is to use a separate configuration for each story (use-case, workflow, whatever) in the application, and one other for global elements. That way, in a multi-developer situation, different

Re: Struts -- Logging

2006-01-03 Thread Ted Husted
You might want to look at how the latest MailReader application handles logging. * http://tinyurl.com/7jhxo Look for the log. statements. Unfortunately, it's not being included in a nightly build right now, so the only other way to view the source is through a Subversion checkout. *

Re: reset method in ActionForm

2006-01-03 Thread Ted Husted
On 1/3/06, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reset gets called just before the form is populated and the most common use is for resetting boolean properties set using checkboxes. This is because if the checkbox is not checked browsers do no submit a value, so the population mechanism

Re: JSF with Struts

2006-01-03 Thread Ted Husted
There's a JSF integration library (as yet unreleased) that seems to be working for some people, but the general feeling is that the library breeds a clumsy architecture. * http://struts.apache.org/struts-faces/index.html Other than that, the best recommendation is that if you want to use JSF,

Re: struts-el tags

2006-01-03 Thread Ted Husted
The nightly builds for the upcoming Struts EL 1.3.0 release are here: * http://svn.apache.org/builds/struts/maven/trunk/nightly/struts-el/ The best available version is bundled with the Struts 1.2.8 release: * http://struts.apache.org/download.cgi The libaries are labeled struts-bean-el,

Re: using drop down menu in struts

2006-01-04 Thread Ted Husted
I don't have a code sample handy right now, but, as compared to creating any other dropdown, you would need to build the list of languages by accessing the Message Resources from the Action class, so as to build the list appropriate to the current language. -- HTH, Ted. http://www.husted.com/poe/

Re: Validation in ie5

2006-01-04 Thread Ted Husted
The Action framework doesn't support browser detection out-oif-the-box. But, you could check the HTTP request flags from the Action to determine the browser, and then forward to another version of the page that didn't use client-side validation or used custom validation. You might want to report

Re: Strange validation exception

2006-01-04 Thread Ted Husted
In a situation like this, the best thing is to create a new application that contains just enough code to expose the error. Most often, in creating the application to expose the error, you will find the problem that is causing the error. If not, you will have a concise example to post, so that

Re: Data Grid in Web Application

2006-01-04 Thread Ted Husted
Try * http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/ Also cool: * http://struts.application-servers.com/ * http://struts-menu.sourceforge.net/ * http://www.rabago.net/struts/html2/ -- HTH, Ted. http://www.husted.com/poe/ On 1/3/06, Raghuveer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there Any possiability of

Re: Back Button in Struts

2006-01-04 Thread Ted Husted
Usually, those are pages that used POST to submit data. The usual technique is to redirect after making a POST, so that the data is not resubmitted. If that doesn't solve the problem, then you might want to look into a wizard extension, like Struts Dialog *

Re: saveToken/isTokenValid

2006-01-04 Thread Ted Husted
The strategy only allows one token at a time for the application, because the token is always given the same name. I believe Shale is using another strategy that gives the tokens different names for different workflows. If the popups are using tokens too (because they have forms?), then you would

Re: The framework I think I want...

2006-01-06 Thread Ted Husted
On 1/6/06, Tamas Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why is it better to bind request params to business layer objects directly without using ActionForms? It isn't, really. People do that, but when we do, we flirt with the dark side. The problem with ActionForms, and similar strategies, is that

Re: [FRIDAY] You might be a geek if ...

2006-01-06 Thread Ted Husted
On 12/30/05, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... for Christmas, Santa brings you all six Star Wars movies, so you can watch them in order, from The Phantom Menace through Revenge of the Jedi. ... and, somehow, that gives you bragging rights on the Struts User list :) -T

[FRIDAY] You might be a Struts User if ...

2006-01-06 Thread Ted Husted
... you write your New Year resolutions on the back of a page from your 2006 page-a-day Dilbert desk calendar, and every one ends with dot-do. * GetMoreExcercise.do * TakeYourVitamins.do * DrinkLightBeer.do -Ted. - To

Re: The framework I think I want...

2006-01-06 Thread Ted Husted
On 1/6/06, Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I expect I'm just groggy, but why does the presentation side need to know about model/persistence stuff? Client side validation. One of my primary concerns is that I want as much of the application as reasonable to be accessible to the

Re: The framework I think I want...

2006-01-06 Thread Ted Husted
On 1/6/06, Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't it just need validation info rather than model knowledge (you listed validation constraints/msgs in your original list, which is why I can't figure out why it needs any more info). If we consider the target type to be a validation

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