On 11.11.2004 10:32, beyaNet wrote:
I have asked this question before, and i'm going to again, if we have
flow/jxt why xsp? If I was a new user what I would wanted see is fir
direction as to which architecture to use within cocoon and why. When I
first started using cocoon i used xsp as that
Hi, I am a new user of Cocoon..
I agree with what you guys are talking about. It would really be helpful if
Cocoon has a very good documentation where new users can refer to all the
time. This mailing list is really a great help and a forum, where anyone can
ask whatever question that they have in
I started using Cocoon about a year ago now, just a little before Derek
Hohls. Even then, we were discussing the Cocoon doc.
For example:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-usersm=108365757316657w=2
I've been out of the project now for several months due to other
obligations, but I'll
Chaps,
I have asked this question before, and i'm going to again, if we have flow/jxt why xsp? If I was a new user what I would wanted see is fir direction as to which architecture to use within cocoon and why. When I first started using cocoon i used xsp as that was what I saw in all the
Well, strictly speaking there is no absolute need for XSP;
you can either use JXTemplate and/or FlowScript plus the
various transformers and generators with which Cocoon is
so well-endowed (!) or, if those do not handle it, then write
some Plain Ol' Java.
However, bear in mind that XSP allows,
Derek,
I hear what you are saying, but what I was trying to say was that for a new user wishing to learn cocoon I would advise them to get to grips with jxt/flow/sitemaps first and once they have mastered that then to investigate xsp should they require it use.
regards
Andrew
On 11 Nov 2004, at
Agreed. There have been a number of suggestions
over the years about what a good learning track is
for Cocoon... and the Hypersonic Tour is meant to be
a working example of how one can use and apply
jxt/flow/cforms.
I am sure its possible to create docs that match such
a track by assembling
Le 10 nov. 04, à 08:45, Derek Hohls a écrit :
...I if had the odd, spare $10k or even $100k lying around
the first thing I would do is offer to hire some people (tech expert
+ writer/editor) to redo all the documents...
Even if it's a dream, I like the idea: a hundred users times a hundred
Interesting... and challenging. I know I do not pay license
fees for Cocoon, but I am sure I should (if I have a good
conscience!) find some way to do a cost recovery on each
commercially sponsored project that involves use of
Cocoon... provided, of course, there is some suitable financial
As a relative newbie who is still struggleing with the finer points of
Cocoon here's my £0.02 worth.
Ralph Goers wrote:
Derek Hohls wrote:
I guess my 2c is that I do think Cocoon remains obscure. There
seem to be lots of people doing lots of good things with it, but
its never promoted [read -
Le 10 nov. 04, à 09:47, Derek Hohls a écrit :
...I take the example of the BoardGameGeek community; a
completely ad-hoc group of 'net users who share a common
passion for games. When the server the site was running on
needed an upgrade, there was a call for donations (via pay-pal)
and within in a
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
Derek Hohls a écrit :
...I if had the odd, spare $10k or even $100k lying around
the first thing I would do is offer to hire some people (tech expert
+ writer/editor) to redo all the documents...
Even if it's a dream, I like the idea: a hundred users times a
Le 10 nov. 04, à 10:28, David Crossley a écrit :
...This is very timely. This concept will surely get some
discussion at the upcoming ApacheCon...
Great!
/me is growing sadder every day not to be there - but you know why
David, my travel money is all gone for this year ;-)
-Bertrand
smime.p7s
Derek Hohls wrote:
Ralph
Yup. I am not envious of any other open source package
ito community support and the intrinsic capability of the system
but I if had the odd, spare $10k or even $100k lying around
the first thing I would do is offer to hire some people (tech expert
+
Hi chaps,
I think it would be a good idea then for a comprehensive documentation
standard to be draw-up, against which the rest of the community to
produce cohesive documentation against.
regards
Andrew
On 10 Nov 2004, at 09:33, David Crossley wrote:
Derek Hohls wrote:
Ralph
Yup. I am not
David
Up to a point... but committees do NOT write good, clean
and consistent documents (in my experience anyway). The
central author needs to be someone with the most overall
knowledge, ably assisted by a good editor, who pulls everything
together. I expect that experts would be drawn in as
Derek Hohls wrote:
Ralph
Yup. I am not envious of any other open source package
ito community support and the intrinsic capability of the system
but I if had the odd, spare $10k or even $100k lying around
the first thing I would do is offer to hire some people (tech expert
+ writer/editor) to
Derek,
I agree with the point you make, so lets start the ball rolling. Is there anybody out there that would like to document editor-in-charge?
regards
Andrew
On 10 Nov 2004, at 10:30, Derek Hohls wrote:
Andrew
There have been attempts before to get the documentation
more
Maybe there is one and Ive just never found it. But a Cocoon forum
would be pretty helpful. Sure this list is great.. and most people on
it are very helpful. It'd be nice to have an archive of helpful
answers, stickyable topics, forum categories, etc. I realize
marc.theaimsgroup.com mailing
beyaNet wrote:
Derek,
I agree with the point you make, so lets start the ball rolling. Is
there anybody out there that would like to document editor-in-charge?
No-one is in charge in an Open Source community.
The Cocoon developers and Project Management Committee
make the decisions about
So be it.. Let's get it underway...
On 10 Nov 2004, at 23:16, David Crossley wrote:
beyaNet wrote:
Derek,
I agree with the point you make, so lets start the ball rolling. Is
there anybody out there that would like to document editor-in-charge?
No-one is in charge in an Open Source community.
Brent
Sure. Even good documentation will never substitute for being
able to ask a guru and, as I said originally, the Cocoon community
is one of its key strengths. Its just that to get people over the
initial learning hurdle takes guidance; and most of us are prepared
to self learn with a
Derek Hohls wrote:
I received a promotional email from Javalobby.org
for a certain commercial product... their opening pitch:
70% of Java Developers use Struts
Now I wonder what % use Cocoon and whether those
who use Struts have chosen it because its the better
web application development
Leszek Gawron wrote:
Derek Hohls wrote:
I received a promotional email from Javalobby.org
for a certain commercial product... their opening pitch:
70% of Java Developers use Struts
sure ... 49.6% of statistics is useless :)
And 82% is made up on the spot. (6% more than last year, BTW)
--
Litrik De
Tony
I hear what you saying, although I think this expands on
*what* the situation is and not *why* the situation is.
For example, you say that most places choose to use Struts
because it's what everyone else is using and it seems to
be 'standard'. That may be true (I assume this is where the
Derek Hohls wrote:
I guess my 2c is that I do think Cocoon remains obscure. There
seem to be lots of people doing lots of good things with it, but
its never promoted [read - not discussed, written about, in forums
outside of Cocoon groups, where others could sit up and take
notice]. It is a
Ralph
Yup. I am not envious of any other open source package
ito community support and the intrinsic capability of the system
but I if had the odd, spare $10k or even $100k lying around
the first thing I would do is offer to hire some people (tech expert
+ writer/editor) to redo all the
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