Re: I do think the world is coming to a end

2012-05-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/30/2012 08:01 PM, Tim wrote: On the one hand, it says calls do not pass through it (it just organises the two parties to connect to each other). And, on the other hand, it talks about not exposing the calling party's IPs, which is an impossible thing to do for peer-to-peer. The only way

Re: Bandwidth Monitor for GNOME

2012-05-31 Thread JD
On 05/30/2012 10:06 PM, Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor wrote: Hello, Is there any good bandwidth monitor for GNOME fedora (Like KDE network widget or BITMETER OS) ? If yes, please give me a link -- Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor Developer, Hulu http://www.hulu.com/ Diaspora https://joindiaspora.com/

Re: After installing F17 I lost access to a specific directory of my external disk

2012-05-31 Thread Jonathan Allen
Tim, I should have thought having such a low ID would cause more problems than you mention. Low IDs are regarded as system IDs, rather than user IDs, and as such, *can* have more privileges. i.e. They're treated differently. The logon interface not showing system IDs being just one

Re: Bandwidth Monitor for GNOME

2012-05-31 Thread Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor
On 05/31/2012 11:18 AM, Marvin Kosmal wrote: HI What do you want this bandwidth monitor to do.. Limit/Control bandwidth?? or Report Bandwidth?? TIA Marvin Just to see the speed and which app is taking the BW -- Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor Developer, Hulu http://www.hulu.com/ Diaspora

Re: Bandwidth Monitor for GNOME

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor zombiegenera...@aol.com wrote: Is there any good bandwidth monitor for GNOME fedora (Like KDE network widget or BITMETER OS) ? If yes, please give me a link I use this Gnome extension. It gives you a total bandidth measurement in

Re: remote access via VNC

2012-05-31 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/29/2012 09:22 PM, Tommy Pham wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote: On 05/29/2012 06:26 PM, Tommy Pham wrote: Is it possible to have remote access via VNC without having the user to be logged in (automatically, especially on a system reboot)? I

Re: Can I remove sendmail?

2012-05-31 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
Tim: On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 23:14 +0200, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: I really don't know why a regular desktop user is forced to have such infrastructure installed and operational out of the box only to allow some poorly designed programs to pass messages to the user. I think it's one of that

Re: GNOME3 and Modifying command-line arguments

2012-05-31 Thread Khemara Lyn
Thank you for your kind response. That would do it for gnome-terminal. Let me make it more general and more clear this time. I would like to create a new icon on the GNOME3 desktop or the Favorites bar so that a click on the icon will run a command (for example, sudo gns3). How could I

Re: remote access via VNC

2012-05-31 Thread Khemara Lyn
Hello, Have you tried with vino? I prefer it than a separate VNC server with a separate display. With Vino, I can log in locally to my desktop at office; i would lock the screen when i leave my office and when i arrive home i would connect to the same desktop/display i left off at office

Re: remote access via VNC

2012-05-31 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 31.05.2012 11:19, schrieb Khemara Lyn: Hello, Have you tried with vino? I prefer it than a separate VNC server with a separate display. With Vino, I can log in locally to my desktop at office; i would lock the screen when i leave my office and when i arrive home i would connect to

How to install F-17 -

2012-05-31 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
I've made two live xfce spin usb sticks, neither works. So I installed S-L 6.2 from a USB stick that does work. Now my problem is to install Fedora 17 instead. I would like to install directly from the internet but my efforts at googling that have been unproductive. The computer

Re: How to install F-17 -

2012-05-31 Thread suvayu ali
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote:   I would like to install directly from the internet but my efforts at   googling that have been unproductive. The computer has no CD/DVD   drive so that method is out. It appears to be USB or

Re: How to install F-17 -

2012-05-31 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 31/05/12 05:33, suvayu ali wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote: I would like to install directly from the internet but my efforts at googling that have been unproductive. The computer has no CD/DVD drive so that

Re: How to install F-17 -

2012-05-31 Thread sergiocmailbox-fedorausers
--- Em qui, 31/5/12, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgood...@wildblue.net escreveu: De: Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgood...@wildblue.net Assunto: Re: How to install F-17 - Para: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Data: Quinta-feira, 31 de Maio de 2012, 6:41 On 31/05/12 05:33,

Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Edward M
Hi, I fully dont understand the approach that may be taken as workaround to USFI Secure Boot for Fedora: The last option wasn't hugely attractive, but is probably the least worst. Microsoft will be offering signing services through their sysdev portal http://sysdev.microsoft.com. It's

Re: How to install F-17 -

2012-05-31 Thread Edward M
On 05/31/2012 02:41 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: Yes, I always do that. I've made two copies, neither will boot. What else can I do, seems I should be able to install directly from the internet perhaps? not tested myself but it may work Creating a

Re: Bandwidth Monitor for GNOME

2012-05-31 Thread Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor
On 05/31/2012 02:14 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor zombiegenera...@aol.com mailto:zombiegenera...@aol.com wrote: Is there any good bandwidth monitor for GNOME fedora (Like KDE network widget or BITMETER OS) ? If yes, please

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Alan Cox
If there are better options then we haven't found them. So, in all probability, this is the approach we'll take. Our first stage bootloader will be signed with a Microsoft key. Why sign it at all. Also if the boot loader was signed it wouldn't be allowed to load anything else unsigned

Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread suvayu ali
Hi, After the upgrade from Fedora 16 to Fedora 17, completion for any of my wrapper functions (for standard tools) are not working. To give an example, I have a wrapper around find called find_ext. I want it to complete just like GNU find so I define the following completion: complete -F _find

Re: How to turn off the pestering narrator voice

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com wrote: I have installed F17, and a narrator voice from the computer is always telling me what I am doing on the computer. How can one turn off this pestering voice? This seems to be a bug:

Re: Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 31 May 2012 12:29:18 +0200 suvayu ali wrote: Has something changed drastically? How do I make my wrappers complete using standard completion functions? Yes, the bash-completion rpm is now shipped and installs by default with fedora. One of the many things on my list of post install

Re: Bandwidth Monitor for GNOME

2012-05-31 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 05/31/2012 09:41 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor wrote: Just to see the speed and which app is taking the BW If you want to see statistics per-process, you can use `nethogs' for example. -- t -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All, I have got a new external hard disk, which I would like to use as a mirror of my home directory (for backup purpose). What format for the external disk filesystem do you recommend? And what the proper command to accomplish the formatting? Thanks in advance, Paul -- users mailing list

Re: How to turn off the pestering narrator voice

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com wrote: I have installed F17, and a narrator voice from the computer is always telling me what I am doing on the computer Sounds like a dream usability - accessibility feature for the vision impaired... ie a complement to screen

Re: Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/31/2012 06:29 PM, suvayu ali wrote: Hi, After the upgrade from Fedora 16 to Fedora 17, completion for any of my wrapper functions (for standard tools) are not working. To give an example, I have a wrapper around find called find_ext. I want it to complete just like GNU find so I define

Re: Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/31/2012 06:29 PM, suvayu ali wrote: Thanks in advance for any ideas. Oh, I forgot to add. Before you call your command try typing complete | grep find_ext just to make sure that the current shell has the definition. -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be

Re: Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Tom, On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2012 12:29:18 +0200 suvayu ali wrote: Has something changed drastically? How do I make my wrappers complete using standard completion functions? Yes, the bash-completion rpm is now shipped and

Re: Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Ed, On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: Oh, I forgot to add. Before you call your command try typing complete | grep find_ext just to make sure that the current shell has the definition. That's a good idea, sadly doesn't help and confirms my

How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi there, I was surprized that F17 uses OpenJDK7 by default but does not includes OpenJDK6 packages also, like F16 did. If I have some app which cannot run on Java 7, what should I do? I know I can download the proprietary JDK6 from Oracle, but I'd rather use OpenJDK. I tried installing

Re: F17 upgrade dirty disc dialog

2012-05-31 Thread Mark Haney
On 05/30/2012 01:34 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Stupid idea, but check the BIOS clock time. This bit me where it kept complaining that the filesystem was corrupt when in fact, the dates on several files were in the future and fsck wasn't happy. Make sure the BIOS clock is correct and that your

Re: I do think the world is coming to a end

2012-05-31 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2012 07:04 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/30/2012 08:01 PM, Tim wrote: On the one hand, it says calls do not pass through it (it just organises the two parties to connect to each other). And, on the other hand, it talks about not exposing the

Re: Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/31/2012 07:55 PM, suvayu ali wrote: That's a good idea, sadly doesn't help and confirms my original observation. When I try the bove, I do see the completion function is assigned correctly. However the function definition itself is absent. $ complete | grep find_ext complete -F

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Edward M
On 05/31/2012 03:31 AM, Alan Cox wrote: If there are better options then we haven't found them. So, in all probability, this is the approach we'll take. Our first stage bootloader will be signed with a Microsoft key. Why sign it at all. Also if the boot loader was signed it wouldn't be

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread William Brown
On 31/05/12 7:32 PM, Edward M wrote: Hi, I fully dont understand the approach that may be taken as workaround to USFI Secure Boot for Fedora: The last option wasn't hugely attractive, but is probably the least worst. Microsoft will be offering signing services through their sysdev

Re: Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread suvayu ali
Hello Ed, On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: Hummm.. You said you did an upgrade.  The difference between your system and mine is that mine is a fresh install. In F16 the _find function is in /etc/bash_completion.d/findutils  while in F17 it is

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Alan Cox
Grub(2). This is signed by the fedora keys. It checks the signature of the kernel against the fedora keys. | v Kernel No - this is insufficient. The kernel must also be locked down, check every module, disallow iopl3() [ie some X features], disallow ioperm for most ports, prevent any user

Re: Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread Edward M
On 05/31/2012 03:29 AM, suvayu ali wrote: Hi, After the upgrade from Fedora 16 to Fedora 17, completion for any of my wrapper functions (for standard tools) are not working. To give an example, I have a wrapper around find called find_ext. I want it to complete just like GNU find so I define

Re: remote access via VNC

2012-05-31 Thread Tommy Pham
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote: On 05/29/2012 09:22 PM, Tommy Pham wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote: On 05/29/2012 06:26 PM, Tommy Pham wrote: Is it possible to have remote access via VNC without having the user to

Re: remote access via VNC

2012-05-31 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/31/2012 01:36 PM, Tommy Pham wrote: There's no problem really except that it's an additional manual step I'd like to avoid. Oh, I *see*. I thought you couldn't connect. :-) Andrew. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Alan Cox
Thanks for the reply and clearing the confusion. and to make sure future boards i buy lets users disable secure boot. By far the best idea. As a kernel rights holder I question the legality of Matthew's proposal, and it would be amusingly unfortunate if the Software Conservancy ended up

Re: GNOME3 and Modifying command-line arguments

2012-05-31 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:24:42PM +0700, Khemara Lyn wrote: Dear All, Normally, I could go Applications - System Tools - Terminal and the app gnome-terminal would start and po up a new terminal window with a command prompt. The default terminal size is not optimal for me and i would like

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread William Brown
No - this is insufficient. The kernel must also be locked down, check every module, disallow iopl3() [ie some X features], disallow ioperm for most ports, prevent any user even root from loading their own kernel modules etc. The kernel is locked down and will implement signed checks of

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/31/2012 12:57 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: I was surprized that F17 uses OpenJDK7 by default but does not includes OpenJDK6 packages also, like F16 did. If I have some app which cannot run on Java 7, what should I do? I know I can download the proprietary JDK6 from Oracle, but I'd

Re: Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread suvayu ali
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Edward M edwar...@live.com wrote:  Did you apply new released updates for fedora 17 ? I upgraded last night and I did an update this morning. That should cover it. But I think I am closer to the solution now. The issue is bash-completion now uses a new dynamic

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
I find this design decision very odd, exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Java 7 is, to my knowledge, far from universally supported. I would have waited for at least another release or two before phasing out Java 6. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Fernando Lozano ferna...@lozano.eti.brwrote:

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/31/2012 02:09 PM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: I find this design decision very odd, exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Java 7 is, to my knowledge, far from universally supported. I would have waited for at least another release or two before phasing out Java 6. We did think about

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi Andrew, I find this design decision very odd, exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Java 7 is, to my knowledge, far from universally supported. I would have waited for at least another release or two before phasing out Java 6. We did think about it, but OpenJDK 6 is going to be EOL'd this

F17 Gnome3 workspace names

2012-05-31 Thread Greg Woods
Under F16, I was able to create a file ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/workspace_names/%gconf.xml that would allow me to name my workspaces, so they don't show up as Workspace 1, Workspace 2, etc. After a fresh install of F17, this is no longer working although the file is still present. Is there a way

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2012 12:15 PM, Paul Smith wrote: I have got a new external hard disk, which I would like to use as a mirror of my home directory (for backup purpose). What format for the external disk filesystem do you recommend? And what the proper

Re: Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/31/2012 08:29 PM, suvayu ali wrote: I guess that means I have to figure out how this dynamic loading works and I have to change my complete -F completion_fn wrapper calls accordingly. Thanks a lot for the help and discussion. :) Yeahstrange. The bash version is the same on F16 and

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Jeff Gipson
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:15:58PM +0100, Paul Smith wrote: Dear All, I have got a new external hard disk, which I would like to use as a mirror of my home directory (for backup purpose). What format for the external disk filesystem do you recommend? And what the proper command to

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Deepak Bhole
* Fernando Lozano ferna...@lozano.eti.br [2012-05-31 09:26]: Hi Andrew, I find this design decision very odd, exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Java 7 is, to my knowledge, far from universally supported. I would have waited for at least another release or two before phasing out Java 6.

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2012 02:35 PM, Jeff Gipson wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:15:58PM +0100, Paul Smith wrote: Dear All, I have got a new external hard disk, which I would like to use as a mirror of my home directory (for backup purpose). What format

Re: How to install F-17 -

2012-05-31 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 31/05/12 06:06, Edward M wrote: On 05/31/2012 02:41 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: Yes, I always do that. I've made two copies, neither will boot. What else can I do, seems I should be able to install directly from the internet perhaps? not tested myself

F17 install failure on JBoss-as-7.1.1-2.fc17.noarch

2012-05-31 Thread William Henry
Both upgrade F16, preupgrade to 17 went fine. Install failed on JBoss-as package. Have to exit the installer. :-( retried a few times and several more packages were installed but then it hits JBoss-as. Wish I could just skip. I wonder will I have the option to go back to 16 and remove

VirtualBox cannot start on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All, I have just installed F17 (clean installation), and when I start my virtual machine through VirtualBox, I get the following error: Failed to open a session for the virtual machine WindowsXP. Failed to open/create the internal network 'HostInterfaceNetworking-eth0'

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Alan Cox
The kernel is locked down and will implement signed checks of modules. For the purpose of this example, I just neglected to show this as I was explaining why the MS signed first stage loader was needed. It's more complex than that - way more complicated, even leaving aside any legality

Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-05-31 Thread Darryl L. Pierce
I did the preupgrade yesterday on three machines without issue. On my laptop, though, I'm having a problem with shutting the laptop down now. It's a Lenovo W510+ and, during the shutdown process, when it switches to text I see an error (don't remember the exact text offhand) about shutdown having

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Bryn M. Reeves b...@redhat.com wrote: I have got a new external hard disk, which I would like to use as a mirror of my home directory (for backup purpose). What format for the external disk filesystem do you recommend? And what the proper command to accomplish

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Andrew Haley
Hi, On 05/31/2012 02:24 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: I find this design decision very odd, exactly for the reasons you mentioned. Java 7 is, to my knowledge, far from universally supported. I would have waited for at least another release or two before phasing out Java 6. We did think about

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-05-31 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Darryl L. Pierce wrote: I did the preupgrade yesterday on three machines without issue. On my laptop, though, I'm having a problem with shutting the laptop down now. It's a Lenovo W510+ and, during the shutdown process, when it switches to text I see an error (don't remember the exact text

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Jeff Gipson
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 03:01:09PM +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2012 02:35 PM, Jeff Gipson wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:15:58PM +0100, Paul Smith wrote: Dear All, I have got a new external hard disk, which I would like to

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Jeff Gipson
I have already an external disk formatted with ext3, but for safety reasons I am now wanting to have two external disks with the same backups. When I formatted the first external disk, I did not know about ext4 (only knew about ext3). So, from what you are suggestion, ext4 is superior to

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jeff Gipson jeffagip...@gmail.com wrote: As far as using an external drive is concerned, for my backups, I opted not to do this, because when my house burns or gets blown away by a tornado, or is robbed (in which case the burgler is likely to take everything

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Jeff Gipson jeffagip...@gmail.com wrote: I have already an external disk formatted with ext3, but for safety reasons I am now wanting to have two external disks with the same backups. When I formatted the first external disk, I did not know about ext4 (only

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2012 03:58 PM, Jeff Gipson wrote: That's a good point. I guess now would be a good time to mention that a volume snapshot != backup (see below), however, I've heard of snapshots sometimes being used to create a still or point-in-time copy

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2012 04:01 PM, Jeff Gipson wrote: I have already an external disk formatted with ext3, but for safety reasons I am now wanting to have two external disks with the same backups. When I formatted the first external disk, I did not know

How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Butler
How would one go about applying FC16 updates to a system with no Internet access? The system will be freshly installed via DVD, and then requires all the associated updates. Is there any way to download the updates on another machine (that has Internet access), copy them over to the target

Re: remote access via VNC

2012-05-31 Thread Khemara Lyn
Thanks, It is far better than i thought. i would love to try the ssh tunnel and access by VNC to the display 0 also. Please forgive me for the poor suggestion. I thought i could help; in fact, i learn new thing from that :). Regards, Khem On 05/31/2012 04:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Jens Neu
On 31.05.2012 17:24, Peter Butler wrote: How would one go about applying FC16 updates to a system with no Internet access? what i would do: - install mrepo - grab .iso of Fedora - create local .repo for FC16 - create local updates.repo and point to directory on harddisk - download updates

Re: GNOME3 and Modifying command-line arguments

2012-05-31 Thread Khemara Lyn
Thanks a lot for your solution, I actually would like to create a new icon on the GNOME3 desktop or the Favorites bar so that a click on the icon will run a command (for example, sudo gns3). How could I do that wit GNOME3? Thanks in advance for any help. Regards, Khem On 05/31/2012 07:57

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Peter Butler pbut...@pt.com wrote: How would one go about applying FC16 updates to a system with no Internet access? The system will be freshly installed via DVD, and then requires all the associated updates.  Is there any way to download the updates on

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Jens Neu j...@zeeroos.de wrote: On 31.05.2012 17:24, Peter Butler wrote: How would one go about applying FC16 updates to a system with no Internet access? what i would do: - install mrepo IMHO, Looking at the description of mrepo, it's overkill for his

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Jeff Gipson
Where do you place your backups, Jeff? :-) Paul -- Well, I just started using SpiderOak. Jury's still out. Their deduplication and compression ratio seems pretty good (185GiB on my disk becomes 145GiB in their system), and they support file versioning, but don't seem to have a point-in-time

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Butler
Jens, RIchard Thanks for the info - much appreciated. Is there any way to download all the required updates (on a machine that has Internet access, obviously) and save these downloads for the creation of the local repository you speak of? Let me clarify. The target system (with no Internet

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Peter Butler pbut...@pt.com wrote: Jens, RIchard Thanks for the info - much appreciated. Is there any way to download all the required updates (on a machine that has Internet access, obviously) and save these downloads for the creation of the local

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-05-31 Thread Tim Evans
On 05/31/2012 10:56 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Darryl L. Pierce wrote: I did the preupgrade yesterday on three machines without issue. On my laptop, though, I'm having a problem with shutting the laptop down now. It's a Lenovo W510+ and, during the shutdown process, when it switches to

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Jeff Gipson jeffagip...@gmail.com wrote: Where do you place your backups, Jeff? :-) Well, I just started using SpiderOak. Jury's still out. Their deduplication and compression ratio seems pretty good (185GiB on my disk becomes 145GiB in their system), and they

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Peter Butler
Thanks Richard. I will look into that option and let you know how it works out (and obviously, get back to you if I hit a hurdle along the way). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-05-31 Thread Jens Neu
IMHO, Looking at the description of mrepo, it's overkill for his particular situation. leaving aside the reading necessary to come up do speed with mrepo, createrepo and such (wich I would recommend anyway if someone deals with the situation of maintaining a setup alike...), the setup takes

Re: F17 Gnome3 workspace names

2012-05-31 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 07:29:05AM -0600, Greg Woods wrote: Under F16, I was able to create a file ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/workspace_names/%gconf.xml that would allow me to name my workspaces, so they don't show up as Workspace 1, Workspace 2, etc. After a fresh install of F17, this is no

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora [Long]

2012-05-31 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 05/31/2012 02:38 PM, Alan Cox wrote: It's of course all a bit of a joke because it's then a simple matter of using virtualisation to fake the secure environment and running the secure OS in that 8) The distributions can review the hypervisor code (then sign it as a symbol of trust) and the

Re: Solution to RAID /boot issue in fc17?

2012-05-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 14:43:29 +0100, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: Count yourself lucky - if it can only find part of an old RAID volume eg a stale header the FC16 installer just crashed. FC17 has introduced a new bug where you can't install onto a degraded RAID1 array, which

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 05/31/2012 05:09 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: I tend to encourage people to pick ext4 over ext3 on modern hardware and software. Aside from some clear performance wins for not-that-uncommon workloads (deleting lots of large files, storing large images etc) there's the fact that most of the

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi Andrew, I tried installing OpenJDK6 packages from F16 but yum complains they are obsoleted by OpenJDK7. I also tried downloading IcedTea6 sources and compiling, but they stop with an internal compiler error. That should work. I'd like to know more. It indicates a pretty major gcc bug.

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/31/2012 03:31 AM, Alan Cox wrote: That will generally speaking exceed their profit margin on the board by quite a bit so will make them very keen to document it clearly for future users. Demanding your money back because the board doesn't work as advertised cuts even more deeply into

BackupPC problems since upgrade to F17

2012-05-31 Thread George Avrunin
I used preupgrade to move from F16 to F17. The installation hung up (installing Steel Bank Common Lisp; this seems to be a problem other people have had, e.g., http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=280318) but when I restarted, it completed and seems to have been successful. I did have

Re: F17 install failure on JBoss-as-7.1.1-2.fc17.noarch

2012-05-31 Thread William Henry
I rebooted in f16 and forced the installation of the package I downloaded from kuji. I had to rm -rf some JBoss directories in the /usr dir in order for the package to install. I rebooted choosing beefy miracle from grub, and it installed all the other packages! Hurray! Not so fast. After

Install failed after packages installed - no f17 on grub

2012-05-31 Thread William Henry
To understand what happened see my email regarding the JBoss failure. It all started there. Basically because of that failure I tried to force the JBoss-as package install under f16 kernel boot 3/4 ways through the f17 install. After successfully installing all the rest of the packages using

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2012 06:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/31/2012 03:31 AM, Alan Cox wrote: That will generally speaking exceed their profit margin on the board by quite a bit so will make them very keen to document it clearly for future users. Demanding

Re: VirtualBox cannot start on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Rohan Sheth
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com wrote: 'HostInterfaceNetworking-eth0' (VERR_INTNET_FLT_IF_NOT_FOUND). As a first guess, can you try going to the VM settings - Network and if one of your adapters are in bridged mode try selecting the correct adapter to link it to.

Re: Issue with bash completion

2012-05-31 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Ed, I think I understand the issue and have a solution. Comments are always welcome. :) On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 05/31/2012 08:29 PM, suvayu ali wrote: I guess that means I have to figure out how this dynamic loading works and I have to

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-05-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/31/2012 10:13 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: This might work with smaller retail suppliers and local shops but if the board was advertised as supporting secure boot then you may find that argument leaves you without much of a case particularly if a means to disable it was provided and

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread J.Witvliet
Hi, You might consider using rsnapshot from a different machine to collect your backup's. And once in a while, make a copy of _that_ data on an external disk, and put that in a different building (parents, children, friends, shurestore). So if dissaster strikes hard, you still have your data.

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi Deepak, java-1.6.0-openjdk and java-1.7.0-openjdk can co-exist side by side happily -- you can even use alternatives to switch the default if you really want to. We just cannot ship 6 in F17 because it will EOL well before F17 does and we cannot ship a known insecure version. Thanks for

Re: F17 Gnome3 workspace names

2012-05-31 Thread Greg Woods
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 12:14 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: gsettings set org.gnome.wm.preferences workspace-names ['name1', 'name2'] I tried this, and I get: No such schema 'org.gnome.wm.preferences' I suspect that's related to why the xml file doesn't work. --Greg -- users mailing list

Re: Install failed after packages installed - no f17 on grub

2012-05-31 Thread William Henry
Well no feedback from the community :-( So I ran preupgrade from F16 again on the hunch it would fix up the Rpmdb and should then do a pretty fast install as all the packages are already installed. That worked. So no need for anyone to answer. I have a Beefy Miracle, aptly named for me.

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Deepak Bhole
* Fernando Lozano ferna...@lozano.eti.br [2012-05-31 15:12]: Hi Deepak, java-1.6.0-openjdk and java-1.7.0-openjdk can co-exist side by side happily -- you can even use alternatives to switch the default if you really want to. We just cannot ship 6 in F17 because it will EOL well before

Re: VirtualBox cannot start on F17

2012-05-31 Thread Paul Smith
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Rohan Sheth ro...@rohansheth.com wrote: 'HostInterfaceNetworking-eth0' (VERR_INTNET_FLT_IF_NOT_FOUND). As a first guess, can you try going to the VM settings - Network and if one of your adapters are in bridged mode try selecting the correct adapter to link it

Re: F17 Gnome3 workspace names

2012-05-31 Thread Greg Woods
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 12:14 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: gsettings set org.gnome.wm.preferences workspace-names [' Poked around a little, gsettings list-schema shows that the schema maybe should be org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences, so I tried that: [greg@diamondage greg]$ gsettings set

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