Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-07-03 Thread Cédric Durmont
2012/6/19 Scott O'Bryan darkar...@gmail.com: If there is some functionality you'd like to see in Trinidad, please open up a discussion on the dev list about it. We'd like to hear from you. Sorry to jump in the conversation that late, I've been quite busy recently. I filed a patch in

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-22 Thread Leonardo Uribe
Hi I tried to mix Trinidad casablanca skin with some Themeroller skins. Just take a look at these two images: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12533046/redmond%2Bcasablanca-2.png https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12533047/south-street%2Bcasablanca-2.png It just

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-22 Thread Scott O'Bryan
+1. There were just a few small enhancements required, everything else was supported by the skinning system out of the box. Like I say, there is a lot of power in Trinidad, as Leonardo demonstrated, but not all of it transfers to the stock renderkit. I think it would be good to inject some

Re: [TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-21 Thread Leonardo Uribe
Hi Going back to TRINIDAD-2120, I have seen that is not really necessary to create a parser. Instead we can use trinidad skinning code to do that. For example: .AFDarkBackground:alias { background-color: -tr-property-ref(.ui-widget-header,color); } .AFDarkAccentBackground:alias {

Re: [TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-21 Thread Scott O'Bryan
Yeah, something like this MIGHT work in the case where the styles 'fit' the current DOM. You're right that there is a lot of flexibility there. In any case, I think this approach (integrating theme-roller) has the most merit because, instead of rewriting Trinidad's JS, we simply allow JQuery and

Re: [TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-21 Thread Leonardo Uribe
Hi I can dedicate some time to this issue. It is an interesting thing to do, and I have enough knowledge in JSF and Trinidad codebase. Anyway, it could be good if you can review the code. It seems we need to extend -tr-property-ref to allow a syntax like this: .somecssclass { border: 1px

Re: [TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-21 Thread Scott O'Bryan
Oh.. Haha. I didn't even look. I thought it was on the dev list. Let me do that and I'll we if I can get some input from Jeanne. Scott Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2012, at 6:36 AM, Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I can dedicate some time to this issue. It is an interesting

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-21 Thread Joachim Schrod
Scott O'Bryan wrote: On 06/20/2012 03:30 PM, Joachim Schrod wrote: Since many months I use patched versions, and self-compiled JARs. And since I don't see that this will change I start to evaluate my options. No bad feelings from my side, really. Thanks for the input. Which branches are

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-21 Thread Joachim Schrod
Scott O'Bryan wrote: E.g., I'm active in TeX development since 1982. Without our user communities, our mailing lists and newsgroups, our fora, where user-level questions are answered, we developers couldn't make it. IMHO, both aspects of community are needed. Or do you think that the

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-20 Thread Lukasz Feldman
Hi, We live in the world where everything need to move forward and evolve. Otherwise it is recognized as dead. That is the reality. I was using Trinidad few years ago. It was fine, but JSF 2.0 has arrived and I have switched to PrimeFaces, which seems to be more elegant and widgets fits real life

Re: [TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-20 Thread Leonardo Uribe
Hi I think it is possible, but note Trinidad skins has a lot more details. In theory you could extract the meta-info of the skin and try to generate a trinidad skin, from a parametrized template, but it is necessary to adjust tha template at hand. For example, I tried to take casablanca skin,

Re: [TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-20 Thread Walter Mourão
Hi Leonard, I did not understand very well. Just take what's useful of jQuery (css stuff) and forget about the rest. How about the components ? Do you mean we can 'decorate' the inputs and other things using only the CSS ? The datepickerhttp://jqueryui.com/demos/datepicker/, for example, needs

Re: [TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-20 Thread Leonardo Uribe
Hi Walter Yes, I know that. There is no stopper that could avoid us to use the datepicker widget, but note to limit the scope of the work, it sounds more convenient to take some styles from that widget and make them fit in the current implementation. It will take less time and effort. Later, we

Re: [TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-20 Thread Scott O'Bryan
Right. That's kind of why I suggested a style sheet parser. The idea is to take some of the styles generated by file roller (the ones that we can) and use them to generate a Trinidad skinning file. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com wrote: Hi

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-20 Thread Joachim Schrod
Tobias Eisentrager wrote: I have used Trinidad to develop a couple production applications which are now in the maintenance phase - and am quite happy with it. The hard part for me was to adapt the css and js which came with the components. It's difficult to adapt the components to your

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-20 Thread Joachim Schrod
Leonardo Uribe wrote: Trinidad is considered rock solid. Its API is stable, well tested and it offers outstanding browser compatibility (now you get why it doesn't look too fancy). I have used Trinidad now for roughly two years in two smaller projects; and yes, it is solid. I wouldn't say

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-20 Thread Joachim Schrod
Scott O'Bryan wrote: Part of determining a JSF library is finding the one that works right for you. Trinidad has (for a long time) not bad any major increases in functionality. While I do not consider the product dead, I can see some of the frustration. Scott, first let me emphasize that

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-20 Thread Scott O'Bryan
On 06/20/2012 03:30 PM, Joachim Schrod wrote: Leonardo Uribe wrote: Trinidad is considered rock solid. Its API is stable, well tested and it offers outstanding browser compatibility (now you get why it doesn't look too fancy). I have used Trinidad now for roughly two years in two smaller

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-20 Thread Scott O'Bryan
R.I.. On 06/20/2012 03:45 PM, Joachim Schrod wrote: Scott O'Bryan wrote: Part of determining a JSF library is finding the one that works right for you. Trinidad has (for a long time) not bad any major increases in functionality. While I do not consider the product dead, I can see some of

Re: [TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-20 Thread Leonardo Uribe
Hi I see. We could try that. What I like about that idea is that it reduce the amount of files to be created, and at the end sounds less restrictive and go aligned with the efforts in TRINIDAD-2120. Also, here we have the whole point of the discussion. If we can take some skins and include them

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-19 Thread Tobias Eisentrager
I have used Trinidad to develop a couple production applications which are now in the maintenance phase - and am quite happy with it. The hard part for me was to adapt the css and js which came with the components. It's difficult to adapt the components to your existing style. In my cases the time

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-19 Thread Çağatay Çivici
On 19.Haz.2012, at 03:34, Jim May wrote: -- Do you use another component library (RichFaces, ICEFaces -- what else is available)? PrimeFaces is currently way more popular than any other JSF UI library. http://www.google.com/trends/?q=primefaces,richfaces,icefacesctab=0geo=alldate=allsort=0

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-19 Thread Leonardo Uribe
Hi Trinidad is considered rock solid. Its API is stable, well tested and it offers outstanding browser compatibility (now you get why it doesn't look too fancy). Most of the interest of MyFaces developers these years has been around JSF spec, MyFaces Core and MyFaces CODI (future top level

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-19 Thread Manuel Hartl
hi Leonardo, It is easy to have a stable API when rarely anything is changed. Regards, Manuel. Hi Trinidad is considered rock solid. Its API is stable, well tested and it offers outstanding browser compatibility (now you get why it doesn't look too fancy). Most of the interest of

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-19 Thread Leonardo Uribe
Hi Manuel What I mean is the API in Trinidad has a good design and is very flexible and extensible. regards, Leonardo 2012/6/19 Manuel Hartl manuel.ha...@kobil.com: hi Leonardo, It is easy to have a stable API when rarely anything is changed. Regards,    Manuel. Hi Trinidad is

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-19 Thread Scott O'Bryan
Hey all, I can see the many points here, let me just chime in, however, on what Leonardo said. Part of determining a JSF library is finding the one that works right for you. Trinidad has (for a long time) not bad any major increases in functionality. While I do not consider the product dead, I

[TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-19 Thread Scott O'Bryan
;). I was wondering when this discussion was going to rear it's ugly head again. ;) If I remember correctly, the *discussion* was kind of inconclusive on this. Many people were excited and, having used JQuery, I can see why. There were, however, several issues which needed to be addressed.

RE: [TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-19 Thread siyaphakama.sosibo
Hello Everyone I am a JSF and Trinidad Newbie, I just joined a project at work where it's going to be using Trinidad. I was assigned a task to design some forms and so far I haven't had the best experience with Trinidad, The Date Input keeps giving me errors even though I use the same code as

Re: [TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-19 Thread Leonardo Uribe
Hi Interesting question. In my opinion, the most interesting part to use from jQuery is its jQuery UI CSS Framework. Why? because defining some small set of selectors and a standard html structure to apply them, you can create a custom skin using ThemeRoller application. I tried to do something

Re: [TRINIDAD] JQuery (was: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?)

2012-06-19 Thread Scott O'Bryan
+1. Theme roller would be cool. The problem is the current skinning selectors. I'm wondering if themeroller themes couldn't be parsed into a skin. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Leonardo Uribe lu4...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Interesting question. In my opinion, the most

Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-18 Thread Joachim Schrod
Hi all, Looking at the past few months, it's quite clear that the Trinidad project is dead for all practical purposes. Almost all emails on this mailing list concerning it are not answered. New releases are tagged in SVN, but nobody finds the time to actually do them. I.e., there is neither an

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-18 Thread Jim May
I usually dont use myfaces components. I only use codi product from the myfaces family. I use Primefaces for jsf components with glassfish server. Primefaces is awesome. Ton of components and beautiful. Go take a look. On Jun 18, 2012 8:28 PM, Joachim Schrod jsch...@acm.org wrote: Hi all,

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-18 Thread Ted
I use basic jsf, I avoid anything too fancy as it'll most likely break on some browser. If I want something with a funky layout I write my own custom component. There's tons of JSF haters out there and it's not perfect, but... find me something better (both technically and standards/supported

Re: Trinidad is dead -- what do you use instead?

2012-06-18 Thread José Luis Cetina
I use: PrimeFaces (UI library for JSF, excellent) MyFaces Core Apache TomEE Apache CODI Apache OpenJPA EJB PrettyFaces iReport MySQL Etc... El 18/06/2012 19:28, Joachim Schrod jsch...@acm.org escribió: Hi all, Looking at the past few months, it's quite clear that the Trinidad project is dead