Warren Togami wrote:
https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6247#c49
https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6247#c51
It turns out that the ReturnPath and DNSWL whitelists have a
statistically insignificant impact on spamassassin's ability to
determine ham vs.
thus Charles Gregory spake:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Those were the days. A few poke and peek commands, 15 minutes
waiting for the cassette tape to load the pirated game...
Biggest thrill for me was reverse-egineering the 'fast loader' code in
one of the games so that I
Warren Togami wrote on Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:12:05 -0500:
All bugs targeted for 3.3.0.
When reviewing this list and playing around I found that there are 22 bugs
for milestone 3.2.6. Shouldn't these get reviewed and promoted to 3.3.0 if
still valid?
Kai
--
Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany
Get
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 21:20 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
No cpm here, but what was once os-9, now nitros-9 because we changed the cpu
to a hitachi 6309, cmos smarter, then re-wrote os-9. Both levels.
No CP/M here either, but I have a working Flex 09 relic - MC6809 with
parallel connected
On Thursday December 17 2009 12:49:25 Kai Schaetzl wrote:
When reviewing this list and playing around I found that there are 22 bugs
for milestone 3.2.6. Shouldn't these get reviewed and promoted to 3.3.0 if
still valid?
What usually happens is that a bug was fixed in trunk (3.3),
but then (if
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 18:27 -0800, Marc Perkel wrote:
jdow wrote:
From: Charles Gregory cgreg...@hwcn.org
Sent: Wednesday, 2009/December/16 07:49
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
Marc Perkel wrote:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/asr33.shtml
There was actually a time
On 12/17/2009 2:50 AM, Rajkumar S wrote:
Hello,
I have 2 SA servers running for a single domain. Both were primed with
a set of 200 spam and ham messages are are now auto learning. After
about a day both have auto learned different numbers of ham and spam
mails. Is it possible to merge the
On 12/17/2009 2:50 AM, Rajkumar S wrote:
Hello,
I have 2 SA servers running for a single domain. Both were primed with
a set of 200 spam and ham messages are are now auto learning. After
about a day both have auto learned different numbers of ham and spam
mails. Is it possible to merge the
On 12/17/09 8:56 AM, Kevin Golding wrote:
I think I still have a Model B in the loft somewhere...
Kevin
I had an ASR 33 teletype with an Anderson Jacobs 110 baud coupler. We
dialed into an 800 number owned by tymenet (an X.25 pad).
had to hit the ^p on the keyboard after it stopped
On 12/17/09 2:50 AM, Rajkumar S wrote:
Hello,
I have 2 SA servers running for a single domain. Both were primed with
a set of 200 spam and ham messages are are now auto learning. After
about a day both have auto learned different numbers of ham and spam
mails. Is it possible to merge the bayes
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Michael Scheidell list-s...@secnap.com wrote:
or, as one posted suggested, use one single mysql database. its faster and
more stable.
Thanks every one, mysql is the way to go.
raj
On 12/17/2009 02:14 PM, Michael Scheidell wrote:
On 12/17/09 2:50 AM, Rajkumar S wrote:
Hello,
I have 2 SA servers running for a single domain. Both were primed with
a set of 200 spam and ham messages are are now auto learning. After
about a day both have auto learned different numbers of ham
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:36:12 -0500
Michael Scheidell scheid...@secnap.net wrote:
On 12/16/09 9:27 AM, Thomas Harold wrote:
I'm guessing that you'd also want to change the autolearn
thresholds to be stricter? Like only auto-learning if it scores
below -2 or above +10?
(That might be an
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:04:18 -0500
Matt Kettler mkettler...@verizon.net wrote:
No.. If you're using file-based bayes, there's no good way to share
updates between one DB and the other. The information needed to make
such a merger successful isn't stored, because it is not needed for
any
Warren Togami wrote:
While whitelists are not directly effective (statistically, when
averaged across a large corpus), whitelists are powerful tools in
indirect ways including:
* Pushing the score beyond the auto-learn threshold for things like
Bayes to function without manual
I think I still have a Model B in the loft somewhere...
Kevin
I've seen CP/M mentioned but no mention of the venerable Kaypro! Oh
those were the days 8^)
But my first digital computer (at work) was a Raytheon 703 with paper
tape to load programs (after you fingered in the boot)
Thank you, Warren. That (finally) gives some real perspective to this
mess, and gets some of the 'real' questions answered.
- C
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Warren Togami wrote:
I made a discovery today that surprised even myself. Using the rescore
masscheck and weekly masscheck logs while working
Jason Haar wrote:
On 12/17/2009 03:30 PM, Marc Perkel wrote:
Then the third filed is NONE. That's how I do it. But the idea is
that any kind of daya can be collectively gathered and distributed.
Instead of a TCP channel (which means software), what about using DNS?
If the SA clients did
On 12/17/2009 11:27 AM, Jason Bertoch wrote:
If whitelists are to be enabled by default, I believe their score should
be moved considerably more toward zero.
/Jason
I don't necessarily disagree with this desire, as now we know the
whitelists actually are making almost zero difference to
Hi,
I created a sample message, then tell spamassassin to learn it as spam
with the command
#sa-learn --spam spamtest.txt
then I tried the command
#spamc spamtest.txt
but spamassassin still scored it as non-spam. Am I doing something
wrong? Please help!
Here is my spamtest.txt (based on
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Yet Another Ninja wrote:
On 12/16/2009 6:16 PM, Charles Gregory wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Yet Another Ninja wrote:
blabber... checkout SVN - follow dev list... HABEAS is history...
I believe the *point* here is that HABEAS is NOT 'history' for ordinary
systems
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, LuKreme wrote:
On 16-Dec-2009, at 16:11, Michael Hutchinson wrote:
So far only 1 person on this list has claimed to have been hit by Spam
that has been let through by the Habeas rules in SA.
I'm the only one? Really? That doesn’t jibe with my memory, but I'm not
scanning
re: CP/M
No S-100 bus systems mentioned yet?
My first home computer was a Godbout S-100 bus system running a dual 8085/8088
CPU board. At that time, the future in operating systems was going to be CP/M
86.
I decided it was time to upgrade when a computer store clerk was trying to tell
me
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Khanh Truong wrote:
I created a sample message, then tell spamassassin to learn it as spam
with the command
#sa-learn --spam spamtest.txt
then I tried the command
#spamc spamtest.txt
but spamassassin still scored it as non-spam. Am I doing something
wrong? Please help!
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, hc...@mail.ewind.com wrote:
I decided it was time to upgrade when a computer store clerk was trying
to tell me that there was no such thing as an 8 floppy disk...
I wonder if IBM finally phased them out?
I still have a couple as souvenirs :)
- C
From: Steve Lindemann st...@marmot.org
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/17 08:30
I think I still have a Model B in the loft somewhere...
Kevin
I've seen CP/M mentioned but no mention of the venerable Kaypro! Oh
those were the days 8^)
Have one complete with the SASI hard disk.
{side note}
Has anyone noticed how the thread 'emailreg.org - tainted white list'
has been left unchanged, despite the topic moving on to Habeas. Whilst
this is side splittingly funny if you do a search on emailreg.org and
see it in the archives, it's probably not fair to drag their name
through
From: hc...@mail.ewind.com
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/17 09:06
re: CP/M
No S-100 bus systems mentioned yet?
Processor Technology SOL-PC boosted to a higher speed (had to
reengineer timing on the board.) I also added a paddle board with S-100
slots on both sides. I was able to stick 5
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Charles Gregory wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, hc...@mail.ewind.com wrote:
I decided it was time to upgrade when a computer store clerk was trying to
tell me that there was no such thing as an 8 floppy disk...
I wonder if IBM finally phased them out?
I still have a couple
From: Christian Brel brel.spamassassin091...@copperproductions.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/17 09:28
{side note}
Has anyone noticed how the thread 'emailreg.org - tainted white list'
has been left unchanged, despite the topic moving on to Habeas. Whilst
this is side splittingly funny if
From: John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/17 09:35
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Charles Gregory wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, hc...@mail.ewind.com wrote:
I decided it was time to upgrade when a computer store clerk was trying
to
tell me that there was no such thing as an 8
Sometimes sa-update works, sometimes one gets
http: GET http://daryl.dostech.ca/sa-update/asf/891585.tar.gz request failed:
403 Forbidden:
You don't have permission to access /sa-update/asf/891585.tar.gz on this server.
Apache/2.2.3 (Fedora) Server at daryl.dostech.ca Port 80
I recommend that
Steve Lindemann wrote:
I think I still have a Model B in the loft somewhere...
Kevin
I've seen CP/M mentioned but no mention of the venerable Kaypro! Oh
those were the days 8^)
But my first digital computer (at work) was a Raytheon 703 with paper
tape to load programs (after
On 17/12/2009 1:00 PM, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
Sometimes sa-update works, sometimes one gets
http: GET http://daryl.dostech.ca/sa-update/asf/891585.tar.gz request failed:
403 Forbidden:
You don't have permission to access /sa-update/asf/891585.tar.gz on this
server.
Apache/2.2.3
On Thursday 17 December 2009, hc...@mail.ewind.com wrote:
re: CP/M
No S-100 bus systems mentioned yet?
Sorry, my omission. The first gizmo I ever built, in 1979, was a Quest Super
Elf, which has an expansion connector on its board that allowed an s-100 buss
backplane to be plugged into it.
OK, thanks. I'd put some contact info on top of http://daryl.dostech.ca/,
above This blog is currently in a static state pending an upgrade
of WordPress, in case something breaks next time.
On 17/12/2009 1:36 PM, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
OK, thanks. I'd put some contact info on top of http://daryl.dostech.ca/,
above This blog is currently in a static state pending an upgrade
of WordPress, in case something breaks next time.
I used to have that and I got about 100 messages a day
Very interesting data indeed -- and a testament to the accuracy of the
SpamAssassin rules weighting process.
On Dec 16, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Warren Togami wrote:
While whitelists are not directly effective (statistically, when averaged
across a large corpus), whitelists are powerful tools in
On 12/18/2009 05:31 AM, Marc Perkel wrote:
In this case the idea is to gather data in real time. So those who
gather data need to be able to send the data to a central place that
receives the data and then makes it available to everyone.
You've lost me there - DNS would allow you to do that.
I believe on the whole Warren Togami's posting about a
whitelist performance on a masscheck settles the affair.
White lists are very reliable. They are also very unnecessary
within SpamAssassin. So perhaps the whole topic can die.
I also note that the people complaining about the white
On Dec 16, 2009, at 8:35 AM, LuKreme wrote:
The fact is I *AM* their customer. The people writing them checks are not,
they're just their funders. Whitelist companies ha to convince admins to use
their list. The only way to do that is to have really really really high
quality lists that
On Dec 16, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Christian Brel wrote:
It's also fair to say any ESP such as Return Path taking money to
deliver mail should be optimising it {or offering advice on
optimisation) so it does *not* score high. Otherwise what are their
customers paying them for?
Return Path is not
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:21:37 -0700
J.D. Falk jdfalk-li...@cybernothing.org wrote:
On Dec 16, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Christian Brel wrote:
It's also fair to say any ESP such as Return Path taking money to
deliver mail should be optimising it {or offering advice on
optimisation) so it does
From: Chris Hoogendyk hoogen...@bio.umass.edu
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/17 10:07
Steve Lindemann wrote:
I think I still have a Model B in the loft somewhere...
Kevin
I've seen CP/M mentioned but no mention of the venerable Kaypro! Oh
those were the days 8^)
But my first
From: R-Elists list...@abbacomm.net
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/17 11:21
I believe on the whole Warren Togami's posting about a
whitelist performance on a masscheck settles the affair.
White lists are very reliable. They are also very unnecessary
within SpamAssassin. So perhaps the whole
From: J.D. Falk jdfalk-li...@cybernothing.org
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/17 11:21
On Dec 16, 2009, at 8:35 AM, LuKreme wrote:
The fact is I *AM* their customer. The people writing them checks are not,
they're just their funders. Whitelist companies ha to convince admins to
use their list.
hc...@mail.ewind.com wrote:
My first home computer was a Godbout S-100 bus system running a dual 8085/8088
CPU board. At that time, the future in operating systems was going to be CP/M
86.
You and Jerry Pournelle :-)
jdow wrote:
From: Chris Hoogendyk hoogen...@bio.umass.edu
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/17 10:07
Steve Lindemann wrote:
I think I still have a Model B in the loft somewhere...
Kevin
I've seen CP/M mentioned but no mention of the venerable Kaypro! Oh
those were the days 8^)
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:28:48 -0500:
early this morning.
BTW, I was already getting this temporarily when trying to run the first
sa-update for SA 3.3.0 beta1 a few days ago.
Kai
--
Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services:
On 17/12/2009 3:31 PM, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:28:48 -0500:
early this morning.
BTW, I was already getting this temporarily when trying to run the first
sa-update for SA 3.3.0 beta1 a few days ago.
Could you tell me, off-list, the public facing
-Original Message-
From: LuKreme [mailto:krem...@kreme.com]
Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2009 4:59 p.m.
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: Re: emailreg.org - tainted white list
On 16-Dec-2009, at 16:11, Michael Hutchinson wrote:
So far only 1 person on this list has
On 17/12/2009 2:21 PM, R-Elists wrote:
...based upon Togami's data processing, the biggest thing that comes to mind
is this...
*IF* these or similar rulesets are not truly not making a difference one way
or the other, then why are they there?
why do we really need them or the other
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, jdow wrote:
I still have my KE Log Log Duplex Decitrig. It still works. And it's
still aligned despite it's being bamboo.
Ah, you've got the newer cheaper model. I inherited mine from my father
(40's vintage) and it has a rosewood core.
In my freshman year of college,
On Thursday 17 December 2009, jdow wrote:
From: Chris Hoogendyk hoogen...@bio.umass.edu
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/17 10:07
Steve Lindemann wrote:
I think I still have a Model B in the loft somewhere...
Kevin
I've seen CP/M mentioned but no mention of the venerable Kaypro! Oh
those
On 16.12.2009 18:15, Benny Pedersen wrote:
On ons 16 dec 2009 16:49:52 CET, Charles Gregory wrote
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
Marc Perkel wrote:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/asr33.shtml
There was actually a time when I had one of those in my house.
For your amusement:
On Thursday 17 December 2009, Robert Ober wrote:
hc...@mail.ewind.com wrote:
My first home computer was a Godbout S-100 bus system running a dual
8085/8088 CPU board. At that time, the future in operating systems was
going to be CP/M 86.
You and Jerry Pournelle :-)
Yeah, but Jerry is
On 17.12.2009 23:10, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
On 16.12.2009 18:15, Benny Pedersen wrote:
On ons 16 dec 2009 16:49:52 CET, Charles Gregory wrote
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
Marc Perkel wrote:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/asr33.shtml
There was actually a time when I
Suggesting to postpone the wrapup date till tomorrow (December 18)
to give us one more day to digest the latest changes and see
where we stand.
Mark
On 12/17/2009 04:24 PM, Mark Martinec wrote:
Suggesting to postpone the wrapup date till tomorrow (December 18)
to give us one more day to digest the latest changes and see
where we stand.
Mark
Seconded. I guess I'm spinning the rc1 unless jm wants to do it.
I'm reluctantly going to call
On Thursday 17 December 2009, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
On 17.12.2009 23:10, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
On 16.12.2009 18:15, Benny Pedersen wrote:
On ons 16 dec 2009 16:49:52 CET, Charles Gregory wrote
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
Marc Perkel wrote:
Jari Fredriksson wrote:
On 16.12.2009 18:15, Benny Pedersen wrote:
On ons 16 dec 2009 16:49:52 CET, Charles Gregory wrote
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
Marc Perkel wrote:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/asr33.shtml
There was actually a time when I had one of those in my
as far as museum pieces go, i submit that my first was an Apple 2E if i
remember correctly..
BRUN BEERRUN
was an interesting game, or something to that effect... ;-)
...and (snore) i also programmed a helicopter to fly across the top and drop
a bomb on a space invader and go boom...
wow
On Thursday 17 December 2009, R-Elists wrote:
as far as museum pieces go, i submit that my first was an Apple 2E if i
remember correctly..
BRUN BEERRUN
was an interesting game, or something to that effect... ;-)
...and (snore) i also programmed a helicopter to fly across the top and
drop a
On 12/16/2009 10:50 AM, Marc Perkel wrote:
I had thought that at one time I already set it to text only on this
list and I had. But that was before the list name changed many years
ago. I'm been on this list since 2001.
One of the (many) reasons why I've switched over to having a dedicated
On 12/17/2009 10:30 AM, RW wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:36:12 -0500
Michael Scheidellscheid...@secnap.net wrote:
On 12/16/09 9:27 AM, Thomas Harold wrote:
I'm guessing that you'd also want to change the autolearn
thresholds to be stricter? Like only auto-learning if it scores
below -2 or
The absolute, without a doubt, biggest POS I ever had to live
with was an
11/23 that had more hdwe bugs than all issues of windows
combined since DOS5.0. Dec field engineers changed every
piece in that thing except the frame rail with the serial
number and all they managed to do was
On 12/17/2009 11:17 AM, RW wrote:
If you're using file-based bayes, there's no good way to share
updates between one DB and the other. The information needed to make
such a merger successful isn't stored, because it is not needed for
any reason within SpamAssassin. The database merely
On Thursday 17 December 2009, R-Elists wrote:
The absolute, without a doubt, biggest POS I ever had to live
with was an
11/23 that had more hdwe bugs than all issues of windows
combined since DOS5.0. Dec field engineers changed every
piece in that thing except the frame rail with the serial
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Matt Kettler mkettler...@verizon.net wrote:
As you mentioned, you'd need a custom script (not wildly complicated
for a good perl scripter, but beyond the bounds of someone with only
crude scripting skills.) as well as historical copies of each database
from
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:51:35 -0500
Daryl C. W. O'Shea spamassas...@dostech.ca wrote:
I think the current score changes are a good step. Another step may
be including in the release notes that there are whitelists and that
people may want to disable them by score whatever rules (a list of
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:46:03 +1300
Michael Hutchinson packetl...@ping.net.nz wrote:
Everyone else started carrying on about the Habeas rules being
present at all, when it is more than within their power to disable
those rules.
But they should not have to disable a whitelist that assists
with
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 08:20:47AM +1300, Jason Haar wrote:
On 12/18/2009 05:31 AM, Marc Perkel wrote:
In this case the idea is to gather data in real time. So those who
gather data need to be able to send the data to a central place that
receives the data and then makes it available to
From: Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/17 21:21
My impression of the (DEC) field engineers knowledge was that it was nil,
other
than the rote stuff, DEC had taught him. And I suspect Joanne would back
me
up on that. Those guys couldn't replace a stuck
From: Christian Brel brel.spamassassin091...@copperproductions.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/17 22:11
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:51:35 -0500
Daryl C. W. O'Shea spamassas...@dostech.ca wrote:
I think the current score changes are a good step. Another step may
be including in the release
From: Christian Brel brel.spamassassin091...@copperproductions.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/17 22:22
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:46:03 +1300
Michael Hutchinson packetl...@ping.net.nz wrote:
Everyone else started carrying on about the Habeas rules being
present at all, when it is more than
On he subject of Spammy whitelists...
* -1.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/,
low
* trust
* [212.159.7.100 listed in list.dnswl.org]
Yet the same IP is on and off SORBS and part of an ongoing spam
problem. Perhaps this can be reviewed and given a zero
On 18/12/2009 1:11 AM, Christian Brel wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:51:35 -0500
Daryl C. W. O'Shea spamassas...@dostech.ca wrote:
I think the current score changes are a good step. Another step may
be including in the release notes that there are whitelists and that
people may want to
On 18/12/2009 1:22 AM, Christian Brel wrote:
The issues here are clear:
*The inclusion of white list that pretty much favours a single
commercial mail organisation.
At present, to my knowledge Return Path is the only organization which
has approached us for inclusion in SpamAssassin. We would
On 18/12/2009 2:13 AM, Christian Brel wrote:
On he subject of Spammy whitelists...
* -1.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/,
low
* trust
* [212.159.7.100 listed in list.dnswl.org]
Yet the same IP is on and off SORBS and part of an ongoing spam
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