Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-29 Thread Matthias Leisi
Michael Scheidell schrieb: Wasn't there a standard at one time, return something different (test) if you queries 2.0.0.127.{dnsblacklist}? If it returned (at least) '127.0.0.2' and a list of other valid bitflags. that meant that the dnsbl was up and running? Anything else and it wasn't? See

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-29 Thread mouss
Michael Scheidell wrote: ...and I bet there are still commercial anti-spam products using dsbl.org because they haven't figured it out either :-) Wasn't there a standard at one time, return something different (test) if you queries 2.0.0.127.{dnsblacklist}? There's a draft or two that

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-29 Thread Justin Mason
Jason Haar writes: McDonald, Dan wrote: No, it boils down to the attitude in your e-mail - Why didn't the SpamAssassin benefactors do their job better. I for one am impressed with their willingness to provide such a useful piece of software, and maintain it. But most of them have real

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-27 Thread mouss
Todd Adamson a écrit : If dsbl has been down for awhile, since around June, why hasn't it been removed from the configuration via sa-update before now? That's one of the purposes of sa-update. Querying their dns server is certainly a waste of time, but isn't really a critical issue. At the

RE: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-27 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! So what is your point Raymond? That we are end users should find out every external subsystem call and document it and search for and get on lists that may or may not exist let alone email us if their baby fails and bites the dust? You expect the same from the other people on this dont

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-27 Thread Michael Scheidell
...and I bet there are still commercial anti-spam products using dsbl.org because they haven't figured it out either :-) Wasn't there a standard at one time, return something different (test) if you queries 2.0.0.127.{dnsblacklist}? If it returned (at least) '127.0.0.2' and a list of other

RE: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-27 Thread RobertH
You expect the same from the other people on this dont you? This issue was handled like explained in a normal way. The list was frozen and was expected to return. Now that its known to turn out otherwise its removed. And within a day promoted on SA update. I still see it listed inside

RE: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread ram
dsbl has been down for a long long time now Any more DNS checks is just waste of time On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 11:41 -0400, Bowie Bailey wrote: Todd Adamson wrote: Would I be correct or incorrect that this will get updated to our rules through sa-update. If this does get corrected, what

RE: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread Randal, Phil
down for good On 25/09/2008 11:34 AM, Todd Adamson wrote: Would I be correct or incorrect that this will get updated to our rules through sa-update. If this does get corrected, what kind of time frame are we guessing at? Updates are currently being distributed to the mirrors. DNS

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread Ned Slider
Randal, Phil wrote: Updates are still at version 694708 for 3.2.5. Cheers, Phil Looks like something has gone awry then as I successfully updated this morning (to 699147, see below), but as you say it's now reporting version 694708: [4349] dbg: channel: attempting channel

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread Todd Adamson
If dsbl has been down for awhile, since around June, why hasn't it been removed from the configuration via sa-update before now? That's one of the purposes of sa-update. Todd ram wrote: dsbl has been down for a long long time now Any more DNS checks is just waste of time On Thu,

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 09:38 -0500, Todd Adamson wrote: If dsbl has been down for awhile, since around June, why hasn't it been removed from the configuration via sa-update before now? That's one of the purposes of sa-update. Because nobody complained about it and opened a bug. It was

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! If dsbl has been down for awhile, since around June, why hasn't it been removed from the configuration via sa-update before now? That's one of the purposes of sa-update. Yeah ... i would file a complaint with your local sales droid. ;) I guess since nobody bothered to open a ticket

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread Todd Adamson
So, it basically boils down to my lack of knowledge that dsbl died back in June, and was used from within spamassassin. I'll admit it. I didn't know about it. My fault. Todd Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote: Hi! If dsbl has been down for awhile, since around June, why hasn't it been removed from

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 10:44 -0500, Todd Adamson wrote: So, it basically boils down to my lack of knowledge that dsbl died back in June, and was used from within spamassassin. I'll admit it. I didn't know about it. My fault. No, it boils down to the attitude in your e-mail - Why didn't the

RE: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread RobertH
No, it boils down to the attitude in your e-mail - Why didn't the SpamAssassin benefactors do their job better. I for one am impressed with their willingness to provide such a useful piece of software, and maintain it. But most of them have real jobs, and don't spend every waking moment

RE: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! When people design and build a system(s) of any type, there should be checks and balances designed in that can check and see if sub parts of the systems (or called by the system(s)) are broken or disappeared or what have you so that allowances / changes can be made in a quicker, more

RE: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread RobertH
Visionary people can read messages, many RBL servers have announce lists. So go ahead and report of file a bug whenever needed :-) Bye, Raymond. So what is your point Raymond? That we are end users should find out every external subsystem call and document it and search for and get on

RE: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 10:35 -0700, RobertH wrote: No, it boils down to the attitude in your e-mail - Why didn't the SpamAssassin benefactors do their job better. I for one am impressed with their willingness to provide such a useful piece of software, and maintain it. But most of

RE: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread RobertH
They run a bunch of tests every night, and are notified by nagios if the tests fail. lurk on the -dev mail list every now and again and you'll see it. -- Daniel J McDonald, Thanks Dan I know some and figured some of the rest. Yeah, I went to the dsbl website some time back and

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread Jason Haar
McDonald, Dan wrote: No, it boils down to the attitude in your e-mail - Why didn't the SpamAssassin benefactors do their job better. I for one am impressed with their willingness to provide such a useful piece of software, and maintain it. But most of them have real jobs, and don't spend

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 26/09/2008 2:03 PM, McDonald, Dan wrote: someone noticed and mentioned it on the user list. another person saw that and filed a bug. Then one of the developers made the change, pushed out the update, and closed the bug. I don't see that there is any crisis here that needs to be solved.

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-26 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 26/09/2008 11:44 AM, Todd Adamson wrote: So, it basically boils down to my lack of knowledge that dsbl died back in June, and was used from within spamassassin. I'll admit it. I didn't know about it. My fault. No problem. We didn't know either. It wasn't causing any problems so there's

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-25 Thread Todd Adamson
Would I be correct or incorrect that this will get updated to our rules through sa-update. If this does get corrected, what kind of time frame are we guessing at? And in the short term, if we zero the score for RCVD_IN_DSBL, will that properly disable the test? Todd Daryl C. W. O'Shea

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-25 Thread mouss
Todd Adamson wrote: Would I be correct or incorrect that this will get updated to our rules through sa-update. If this does get corrected, what kind of time frame are we guessing at? And in the short term, if we zero the score for RCVD_IN_DSBL, will that properly disable the test? I have

RE: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-25 Thread Bowie Bailey
Todd Adamson wrote: Would I be correct or incorrect that this will get updated to our rules through sa-update. If this does get corrected, what kind of time frame are we guessing at? No idea here. And in the short term, if we zero the score for RCVD_IN_DSBL, will that properly disable

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-25 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 25/09/2008 11:34 AM, Todd Adamson wrote: Would I be correct or incorrect that this will get updated to our rules through sa-update. If this does get corrected, what kind of time frame are we guessing at? Updates are currently being distributed to the mirrors. DNS will update in a few

dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-24 Thread Jason Haar
I just saw this mentioned on the Qmail list, and as I can still see dsbl.org rules throughout SA, I thought others probably want to know DSBL is GONE and highly unlikely to return. Please remove it from your mail server configuration http://www.dsbl.org/ -- Cheers Jason Haar Information

Re: dsbl.org down for good

2008-09-24 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Thanks Jason! I've opened bug 5988. Regards, Daryl