Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2006, at 12:27 PM, Mladen Turk wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: Web Servers are web servers primarily, focused on HTTP, compliance, speed and capability. Use the right tool for the right job :) Agreed. If you only need a web server, use a web server. I think that the question is not

Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-02 Thread Michael Echerer
Peter Lin wrote: I'm gonna say that's quite a bit of myth here. If SSL is important, get a cheap SSL enabled router. Doing software SSL is waste of CPU power and impacts the server's stability. Anyone that has a lot of HTTPS traffic shouldn't be using software SSL in my bias opinion. If you

Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
IMO, if you need to move out of pure Java in your Java Web Server to get acceptable performance, then why use it in the first place? Plus, if you are concerned about the security of Apache (cause it's nasty C) and therefore want to use a Java Web Server, then using JNI means you've left that warm

Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-02 Thread Remy Maucherat
On 6/2/06, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, if you need to move out of pure Java in your Java Web Server to get acceptable performance, then why use it in the first place? Plus, if you are concerned about the security of Apache (cause it's nasty C) and therefore want to use a Java Web

Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-02 Thread Mladen Turk
Jim Jagielski wrote: Web Servers are web servers primarily, focused on HTTP, compliance, speed and capability. Use the right tool for the right job :) Agreed. If you only need a web server, use a web server. I think that the question is not whether to replace the web server, but whether the

Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-01 Thread Mark Hagger
This issue is discussed endlessly as far as I can see, both camps argue very well for their case However, my take from personal experience is that its very handy to have Apache in front, because it gives you a lot of scope to do little fixes and tweaks to odd users causing problems without

Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-01 Thread Gaël Lams
Hi, I wondering if it's really so good to use Tomcat behind a real web server like Apache or IIS. In my Tomcat 5 book there are two reasons to do it so: 1. Tomcat is not as secure as common web servers, especially if you want to use CGI and SSI (I don't think I want to) 2. Tomcat is

Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-01 Thread Danny Lee
Hi Tim, Thanks for your answer. I see your point about Apache more convenient for hackers, than Tomcat. About outage message. This is of course a problem running Tomcat as standalone, but I have the control over WebServer IP through the firewall, so i just start some Show we're down message

Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-01 Thread Danny Lee
Hi, thanks for the answer! I am paranoid AND lazy, so I totally see your point :)) Cheers, Danny Gaël Lams wrote: Also, I'm quite paranoid and for me the less stuff you installed, the better - I had some problems with the mod_jk (timeouts) - we are not serving static content Regards, Gaël

Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-01 Thread Mark Hagger
As it happens I can't really begin to count the number of times we've applied hacks at the Apache level to work around code bugs (did I say bug? I meant feature...). Although to be fair most of these are caused by users/customers doing odd things outside the spec of the current code. We also

Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-01 Thread Wade Chandler
--- Ga�l Lams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wondering if it's really so good to use Tomcat behind a real web server like Apache or IIS. In my Tomcat 5 book there are two reasons to do it so: 1. Tomcat is not as secure as common web servers, especially if you want

Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-01 Thread Andrew Miehs
If you are running a big site with multiple servers, you do NOT want to run Apache in front of your Tomcats - All that you do is increase latency, and half your performance. The HTTP connector in TC 5.x is more than adequate to deal with heavy traffic loads. To be honest, I try not to use

Re: Tomcat as a standalone webserver. Why not?

2006-06-01 Thread Peter Lin
I'm gonna say that's quite a bit of myth here. If SSL is important, get a cheap SSL enabled router. Doing software SSL is waste of CPU power and impacts the server's stability. Anyone that has a lot of HTTPS traffic shouldn't be using software SSL in my bias opinion. If you are so desparate