Re: Open Office Writer Critique

[aminanima...@mm.pl]

Sure, Mr. Martin, so sure. 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Martin Groenescheij
Date: 6/20/2017 2:31:13 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Larry Gusaas
Subject: Re: Open Office Writer Critique
 
 
On 20/06/17 5:04 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2017-06-20, 12:32 AM Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>
>> Well, you started to use the word Critique in the subject.
>> According to the dictionary this word means "the art of criticism"
>> and criticism is "a severe or unfavorable judgement".
>
> That is not a good definition of critique.
> From Oxford Dictionary of English:
>
>critique|krɪˈtiːk|nouna detailed analysis and assessment of
> something, especially a
>literary, philosophical, or political theory:a critique of Marxist
> historicism.verb(critiques,critiquing,critiqued)[withobject]evaluate
> (a theory orpractice)
>in adetailedand analytical way:the authors critique the methods
> andpracticesused in
>theresearch.ORIGINmid 17thcentury(as a noun): fromFrench, based
> onGreekkritikē
>tekhnē‘criticalart’.
>
>
Different Dictionaries have different descriptions / explanations of
Critique, but they all come down to criticising something.
The Original Poster only expressed his frustration he did not asked for
help.
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Re: Open Office Writer Critique

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2017-06-20, 12:32 AM Martin Groenescheij wrote:


Well, you started to use the word Critique in the subject.
According to the dictionary this word means "the art of criticism" and criticism is "a severe 
or unfavorable judgement".


That is not a good definition of critique.
From Oxford Dictionary of English:

   critique|krɪˈtiːk|nouna detailed analysis and assessment of something, 
especially a
   literary, philosophical, or political theory:a critique of Marxist
   historicism.verb(critiques,critiquing,critiqued)[withobject]evaluate (a 
theory orpractice)
   in adetailedand analytical way:the authors critique the methods 
andpracticesused in
   theresearch.ORIGINmid 17thcentury(as a noun): fromFrench, based 
onGreekkritikē
   tekhnē‘criticalart’.



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Re: Open Office Writer Critique

[Martin Groenescheij]

On 20/06/17 2:44 PM, Dayvid Artman wrote:

Gentlemen,

I am responding to your replies coincident as they almost seem like 
carbon copies in many ways.


No it's not a coincident that the replies look like carbon copies, it's 
a proof that we're on the same line with our thoughts.




WOW! Are we defensive or what?


Well, you started to use the word Critique in the subject.
According to the dictionary this word means "the art of criticism" and 
criticism is "a severe or unfavorable judgement".
At the beginning of your email you start with "it is annoying and seems 
a bit arrogant" etc.


You are writing to a user mailing list, these users are voluntarily 
helping others. We are not programmers or developers
so all we can do is giving advice or workarounds all within the 
limitations of our own knowledge.
If you had started your email with explaining your problem instead of 
your frustration you probably had received a different answer.




Regarding the browser, maybe it isn't "yours", but it opened when I 
clicked on the email link in Open Office help, it looks like a 
browser, I had never seen that interface before, no program name was 
discoverable that I know of, and I coud not figure a way to get that 
communication back to a familiar environment. It had all the feel of 
my having been hijacked to a proprietary application. And the only way 
I have been able to get that UI back is to execute a link from within 
the Open Office Help environment. Maybe it isn't part of Open Office, 
but something in Open office is calling it, none of my other 
applications call that interface, and I haven't found any other way of 
getting to it except through the Open Office Help routine. I don't 
know what it is, but it looks like an Open office thing to me.


Now, regarding my error in sending this message to all of you, I 
simply followed a link within that Help routine that was labelled to 
provide feedback. If that isn't the appropriate way to do that, then 
for Pete's sake somebody change that link. And in the meantime, don't 
jump down somebody's throat for doing what they thought they were 
supposed to do.


Regarding the thrust of my feedback, both of you completely ignore or 
turn totally inside out the explanation of what I presented. I have 
read and reread my original words, and your interpretations of that 
take some real imagination. I don't know how I could have made it much 
more clear what I expected it to do and what it does instead, but that 
is worlds away from the mayhem you tow throw back at me. I will repeat 
here this part of what I said earlier: I can't image any use for what 
it actually does. Your descriptions are like from a different planet, 
introducing issues that are completely irrelevant as far as I can 
tell, and you made no effort to explain how they might relate.


Both of you assert that Open Office isn't and never was intended to be 
a clone of MS. I never suggested that it is or should be. I simply 
pointed out that a nearly identically named function in MS does do 
what the name implies, and OO does not. Furthermore, everybody knows 
that your assertion is a half truth at best. The developers of OO have 
striven to make the transition between the two as easy on the user as 
possible and tried to eliminate as many hurdles as possible for 
persons making the move to OO. I am a pretty intense user of 
spreadsheets, and I have used both Excel and Calc extensively. Calc is 
an exact clone of Excel in almost every way. The only difference that 
I can think of at the moment is the use of a semicolon for a parameter 
separator rather than the comma that Excel uses. I don't quite get why 
that difference exists, unless for copyright reasons. I don't have any 
particular grief with the similarly, although Gates might. I think it 
is wise on your part. Even the existence of that very function looks 
very suspiciously like an effort to emulate MS. It just doesn't work 
the same.


One of you also repeatedly questioned why I don't just use MS if I 
like it better. There are two fallacies in that argument. Firstly, I 
didn't say that I liked MS better. I simple offered this one function 
that I like better in that package and plead for inclusion of that in 
OO. I had the impression until I actually tried it that OO wanted 
suggestions from their users about things they liked and disliked. 
Apparently that is a ruse. Secondly, most users don't have a choice 
which of the two to use. Employers supply a computer and software, and 
employees are pretty much relegated to whatever that is, whether they 
like it or not. Your reaction is like me going into Sears and asking 
if they carry Michelin tires, and the clerk yelling "No, we don't 
carry Michelin tires, and if you don't like the tires we sell, then go 
to Walmart!" That would be just as ludicrous as your responses. A wise 
clerk would say something like, " I'm sorry sir, but we don't carry 
Michelin. They make a pretty good tire, and they 

Re: Open Office Writer Critique

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

What happens if you select the whole table. Click on the bottom of the table 
and hold dragging up or down? Does that work for you?

Best Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 8:35 PM, Dayvid Artman  wrote:
> 
> I don't disagree with your jist. I simple clicked on the link for feedback
> and provided some. I only referenced MS because I have some experience with
> that through a past employer, and it seems to function as I suspect this
> was supposed to. But apparently that link was just in fun, because I have
> been barraged with emails telling me that I should not have sent it, some
> of them extremely demeaning and even vulgar.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 10:25 PM, larry phillips <
> phillipslar...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> I find it slightly amusing that people get something for free and then
>> choose to complain
>> that it doesn't have all the bells and whistles that they want or they
>> might have to take an extra step to
>> do a function. I find Microsquish every complicated and expensive. Every
>> time they come out with a new
>> verson it is a sales tool for the office suite  Larry Phillips
>> 
>> On Sat, 6/17/17, Dayvid Artman  wrote:
>> 
>> Subject: Open Office Writer Critique
>> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Date: Saturday, June 17, 2017, 5:09 PM
>> 
>> First of all, it is annoying and seems a bit
>> arrogant to force me to open
>> my email in your browser to send this
>> message when I already have my email
>> open in a different browser. I also
>> don't like the fact that said browser
>> removes (or at least hides from me) my
>> signature stored in the email
>> service. But those are not the reason
>> for the message.
>> 
>> You have a function for working with
>> tables that seems to have no useful
>> purpose, but the title given to it
>> would be quite useful, and there doesn't
>> seem to be any way to actually do what
>> the name of the function implies.
>> Microsoft Word has a function with
>> nearly the exact same name, and it
>> functions as the name suggests and is
>> very handy.
>> 
>> The function in question is
>> “Distribute Rows Equally”, and it is found
>> under the “Table” menu in the
>> “Autofit” sub-menu. I read the Help on that
>> topic, and it functions exactly as
>> described, but for no benefit that I can
>> imagine. The similar “Distribute
>> Columns Evenly” operates nearly identical,
>> different only in that it is limited by
>> the page size, while rows are not.
>> 
>> What the function does in make every
>> column (or row) match the largest one
>> in the selection. I can do that in
>> several different ways without using
>> this function, and the name does not
>> suggest that such will be the outcome.
>> It isn't “distributing” anything,
>> it is simply expanding each row to the
>> size of the largest. What I want to do
>> (and what the name implies what and
>> Microsoft does) is distribute the rows
>> equally or evenly within the area of
>> the rows selected. The final table
>> would occupy no more, no less, but
>> exactly the same space as the original,
>> but the spacing of the rows would
>> all be the same.
>> 
>> This supports providing as much space
>> or as large a font as practical while
>> keeping a consistent look and staying
>> (for example) on one page. There is
>> no easy way to do this that I know of
>> without a command such as this. I
>> must somehow measure the total space
>> that I want the finished table to
>> occupy, then manually divide that by
>> the number of rows I want, and then
>> size each one to that size. Given
>> certain scenarios, one could do that last
>> step en mass, but the first two steps
>> are cumbersome and tedious. The
>> computer could do that in a moment,
>> just as quickly as it does what it does
>> now, but with far more benefit.
>> 
>> I strongly urge the team at Apache to
>> consider making this design change.
>> 
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Re: Open Office Writer Critique

[Dayvid Artman]

I don't know what you are referring to. I don't have any errors that I know
of, and that has nothing to do with the topic. The issue is that I cannot
figure out how to do what this function name implies it does but does not.


On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Isaac Schrader  wrote:

> If you have errors how about you fix them yourself?
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
>
>
> From: Dayvid Artman
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 4:17 PM
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Open Office Writer Critique
>
>
>
> First of all, it is annoying and seems a bit arrogant to force me to open
> my email in your browser to send this message when I already have my email
> open in a different browser. I also don't like the fact that said browser
> removes (or at least hides from me) my signature stored in the email
> service. But those are not the reason for the message.
>
> You have a function for working with tables that seems to have no useful
> purpose, but the title given to it would be quite useful, and there doesn't
> seem to be any way to actually do what the name of the function implies.
> Microsoft Word has a function with nearly the exact same name, and it
> functions as the name suggests and is very handy.
>
> The function in question is “Distribute Rows Equally”, and it is found
> under the “Table” menu in the “Autofit” sub-menu. I read the Help on that
> topic, and it functions exactly as described, but for no benefit that I can
> imagine. The similar “Distribute Columns Evenly” operates nearly identical,
> different only in that it is limited by the page size, while rows are not.
>
> What the function does in make every column (or row) match the largest one
> in the selection. I can do that in several different ways without using
> this function, and the name does not suggest that such will be the outcome.
> It isn't “distributing” anything, it is simply expanding each row to the
> size of the largest. What I want to do (and what the name implies what and
> Microsoft does) is distribute the rows equally or evenly within the area of
> the rows selected. The final table would occupy no more, no less, but
> exactly the same space as the original, but the spacing of the rows would
> all be the same.
>
> This supports providing as much space or as large a font as practical while
> keeping a consistent look and staying (for example) on one page. There is
> no easy way to do this that I know of without a command such as this. I
> must somehow measure the total space that I want the finished table to
> occupy, then manually divide that by the number of rows I want, and then
> size each one to that size. Given certain scenarios, one could do that last
> step en mass, but the first two steps are cumbersome and tedious. The
> computer could do that in a moment, just as quickly as it does what it does
> now, but with far more benefit.
>
> I strongly urge the team at Apache to consider making this design change.
>
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Re: Open Office Writer Critique

[Dayvid Artman]

I don't disagree with your jist. I simple clicked on the link for feedback
and provided some. I only referenced MS because I have some experience with
that through a past employer, and it seems to function as I suspect this
was supposed to. But apparently that link was just in fun, because I have
been barraged with emails telling me that I should not have sent it, some
of them extremely demeaning and even vulgar.



On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 10:25 PM, larry phillips <
phillipslar...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> I find it slightly amusing that people get something for free and then
> choose to complain
> that it doesn't have all the bells and whistles that they want or they
> might have to take an extra step to
> do a function. I find Microsquish every complicated and expensive. Every
> time they come out with a new
> verson it is a sales tool for the office suite  Larry Phillips
> 
> On Sat, 6/17/17, Dayvid Artman  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Open Office Writer Critique
>  To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>  Date: Saturday, June 17, 2017, 5:09 PM
>
>  First of all, it is annoying and seems a bit
>  arrogant to force me to open
>  my email in your browser to send this
>  message when I already have my email
>  open in a different browser. I also
>  don't like the fact that said browser
>  removes (or at least hides from me) my
>  signature stored in the email
>  service. But those are not the reason
>  for the message.
>
>  You have a function for working with
>  tables that seems to have no useful
>  purpose, but the title given to it
>  would be quite useful, and there doesn't
>  seem to be any way to actually do what
>  the name of the function implies.
>  Microsoft Word has a function with
>  nearly the exact same name, and it
>  functions as the name suggests and is
>  very handy.
>
>  The function in question is
>  “Distribute Rows Equally”, and it is found
>  under the “Table” menu in the
>  “Autofit” sub-menu. I read the Help on that
>  topic, and it functions exactly as
>  described, but for no benefit that I can
>  imagine. The similar “Distribute
>  Columns Evenly” operates nearly identical,
>  different only in that it is limited by
>  the page size, while rows are not.
>
>  What the function does in make every
>  column (or row) match the largest one
>  in the selection. I can do that in
>  several different ways without using
>  this function, and the name does not
>  suggest that such will be the outcome.
>  It isn't “distributing” anything,
>  it is simply expanding each row to the
>  size of the largest. What I want to do
>  (and what the name implies what and
>  Microsoft does) is distribute the rows
>  equally or evenly within the area of
>  the rows selected. The final table
>  would occupy no more, no less, but
>  exactly the same space as the original,
>  but the spacing of the rows would
>  all be the same.
>
>  This supports providing as much space
>  or as large a font as practical while
>  keeping a consistent look and staying
>  (for example) on one page. There is
>  no easy way to do this that I know of
>  without a command such as this. I
>  must somehow measure the total space
>  that I want the finished table to
>  occupy, then manually divide that by
>  the number of rows I want, and then
>  size each one to that size. Given
>  certain scenarios, one could do that last
>  step en mass, but the first two steps
>  are cumbersome and tedious. The
>  computer could do that in a moment,
>  just as quickly as it does what it does
>  now, but with far more benefit.
>
>  I strongly urge the team at Apache to
>  consider making this design change.
>
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Re: Open Office Writer Critique

[Dayvid Artman]

I have no clue how to do that.





On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 6:31 PM,  wrote:

> The project is always accepting code donations from the volunteers who make
> the office suite.  If you would like to donate your code I am sure you
> would find
> a welcoming place to publish your code.
>
> On Saturday, June 17, 2017 2:09:38 PM PDT Dayvid Artman wrote:
> > First of all, it is annoying and seems a bit arrogant to force me to open
> > my email in your browser to send this message when I already have my
> email
> > open in a different browser. I also don't like the fact that said browser
> > removes (or at least hides from me) my signature stored in the email
> > service. But those are not the reason for the message.
> >
> > You have a function for working with tables that seems to have no useful
> > purpose, but the title given to it would be quite useful, and there
> doesn't
> > seem to be any way to actually do what the name of the function implies.
> > Microsoft Word has a function with nearly the exact same name, and it
> > functions as the name suggests and is very handy.
> >
> > The function in question is “Distribute Rows Equally”, and it is found
> > under the “Table” menu in the “Autofit” sub-menu. I read the Help on that
> > topic, and it functions exactly as described, but for no benefit that I
> can
> > imagine. The similar “Distribute Columns Evenly” operates nearly
> identical,
> > different only in that it is limited by the page size, while rows are
> not.
> >
> > What the function does in make every column (or row) match the largest
> one
> > in the selection. I can do that in several different ways without using
> > this function, and the name does not suggest that such will be the
> outcome.
> > It isn't “distributing” anything, it is simply expanding each row to the
> > size of the largest. What I want to do (and what the name implies what
> and
> > Microsoft does) is distribute the rows equally or evenly within the area
> of
> > the rows selected. The final table would occupy no more, no less, but
> > exactly the same space as the original, but the spacing of the rows would
> > all be the same.
> >
> > This supports providing as much space or as large a font as practical
> while
> > keeping a consistent look and staying (for example) on one page. There is
> > no easy way to do this that I know of without a command such as this. I
> > must somehow measure the total space that I want the finished table to
> > occupy, then manually divide that by the number of rows I want, and then
> > size each one to that size. Given certain scenarios, one could do that
> last
> > step en mass, but the first two steps are cumbersome and tedious. The
> > computer could do that in a moment, just as quickly as it does what it
> does
> > now, but with far more benefit.
> >
> > I strongly urge the team at Apache to consider making this design change.
> >
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Re: Open Office Writer Critique

[cjgunzel]

The project is always accepting code donations from the volunteers who make 
the office suite.  If you would like to donate your code I am sure you would 
find 
a welcoming place to publish your code.

On Saturday, June 17, 2017 2:09:38 PM PDT Dayvid Artman wrote:
> First of all, it is annoying and seems a bit arrogant to force me to open
> my email in your browser to send this message when I already have my email
> open in a different browser. I also don't like the fact that said browser
> removes (or at least hides from me) my signature stored in the email
> service. But those are not the reason for the message.
> 
> You have a function for working with tables that seems to have no useful
> purpose, but the title given to it would be quite useful, and there doesn't
> seem to be any way to actually do what the name of the function implies.
> Microsoft Word has a function with nearly the exact same name, and it
> functions as the name suggests and is very handy.
> 
> The function in question is “Distribute Rows Equally”, and it is found
> under the “Table” menu in the “Autofit” sub-menu. I read the Help on that
> topic, and it functions exactly as described, but for no benefit that I can
> imagine. The similar “Distribute Columns Evenly” operates nearly identical,
> different only in that it is limited by the page size, while rows are not.
> 
> What the function does in make every column (or row) match the largest one
> in the selection. I can do that in several different ways without using
> this function, and the name does not suggest that such will be the outcome.
> It isn't “distributing” anything, it is simply expanding each row to the
> size of the largest. What I want to do (and what the name implies what and
> Microsoft does) is distribute the rows equally or evenly within the area of
> the rows selected. The final table would occupy no more, no less, but
> exactly the same space as the original, but the spacing of the rows would
> all be the same.
> 
> This supports providing as much space or as large a font as practical while
> keeping a consistent look and staying (for example) on one page. There is
> no easy way to do this that I know of without a command such as this. I
> must somehow measure the total space that I want the finished table to
> occupy, then manually divide that by the number of rows I want, and then
> size each one to that size. Given certain scenarios, one could do that last
> step en mass, but the first two steps are cumbersome and tedious. The
> computer could do that in a moment, just as quickly as it does what it does
> now, but with far more benefit.
> 
> I strongly urge the team at Apache to consider making this design change.
> 
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