The system started from the meter and the unit of mass was derived from it.
This is why it is the Convention of the Meter. It is possible that Borda
coined the name 'systeme metrique'. It may also refer to the general Greek
term 'metrum', meaning measure.
Han
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To all,
Yesterday and a few days ago I saw a program about a deep sea expedition
near Cuba by a group of American scientists. I have to presume that those
scientists are all members of F2M; they used nothing but PSI, inches, feet
etc. Has anybody seen this program too?
They saw a deep sea fish
Someone mentioned something about erroneous capitalizations on some kind of
labels (GM or GR or some such). I recently noticed that on a number of
prescription labels we have the ingredients are listed as xxx MG, not mg.
Seems to be common, and the labels are on pill bottles from a number of
Aha! Wasn't he the colleague of M. Liter, the Frencman who wrote volumes
in the field of metrology?
Jim
kilopascal wrote:
2000-12-20
OK! If you really must know who, it was Joule Pascal de la Métrique, a
French Howard Hughes, who secretly funded the surveying expeditions on the
This is a result of requirements by the FDA. I posted the citation here
some time ago but don't see a copy handy in my files. It can be found
via the FDA website. Who says that the agency responsible for our
prescription drugs is not up to date!
Jim
Harry Wyeth wrote:
Someone mentioned
Aha! Wasn't he the colleague of M. Liter, the Frencman who wrote volumes
in the field of metrology?
Yes, though what is less well known is that most of his discoveries were as the
result of an international collaborative effort that included the famous Dr
Mike O'Gramme, one of the heavyweights
http://www.fda.gov/cder/dsm/POL/pol-004.htm
Baron Carter
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From: James R. Frysinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 21 December, 2000 08:16
To: U.S. Metric Association
Cc: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:9926] Re: MG on Rx labels
This is a result of
Jim Frysinger asked in USMA 9891:
A young (eighth grade) correspondent in Egypt has asked a question I
cannot answer. Who was it that coined the term "metric" (or perhaps
"metrique"?) in regards to the metric system. My dictionary shows its
date of origin as 1797. Can we identify the person who
Instead of Gillette cutting jobs, they can cut the
imperial units like OZ, PT, QT, etc from their
products labels and save some money and retaining jobs
at the same time. This will also help them, export
those products incase if the demand in the US falls.
That's a good example of the FDA's use of the symbols, Baron. Somewhere
there is a page (or more) of specified symbols. It includes MCG for
microgram, etc. I suspect these arose in the days when the only known
typographic characters had ASCII values less than 128 and no printers
had more than
2000-12-21
Aren't you referring to Milli Litre, a famous French dancing girl, who
accompanied the surveyors and kept them entertained and free of boredom?
She was the French Sacagewea. She was to be honoured on a new 1 Franc coin,
but since France now uses the Euro and the Franc will be
Han:
I think you mean "metro." "Metrum," if it exists, would surely be a Latin
form.
Bill Potts, CMS
San Jose, CA
http://metric1.org [SI Navigator]
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Sent: December 20, 2000 23:49
To: U.S.
2000-12-21
Some have noted that some of Gillette's product sold in the USA are the same
size as seen in Europe and elsewhere, but with an FFU declaration instead of
SI. Other products seem to be rational SI in the world and rational FFU in
the US. I don't buy shaving cream, so I was wondering
2000-12-21
Webster's dictionary gives the origin of metre as: [M.E. metre OFr. L.
metrum Gr. metron, measure IE. base *me-, to mark off, measure, whence
L. metiri, sans. matra, a measure, OE. mael; cf. meal].
So both are right. The word even goes back to Sanskrit. So, in a sense,
metric
Valerie Antoine in LA Times...
Nat
Metric System
Los Angeles Times , Home Edition , Column: M , Page: 4 , Sunday December 17,
2000
Letters Desk
* Re "U.S. Math, Science Students Still Trail Top Ranks," Dec 6: Your
article left out a major reason for our students' poor performance in math
and
The sizes in other countries seem to be quite different from those in the US.
I rechecked my Finnish can of Gillette Foamy. It is, in fact, 200 mL, rather than 300
mL.
It's interesting that they are labeled by volume elsewhere, but by mass here (with the
11 oz. size being the standard for
I've done that a few times, Duncan. Either I the computer sends me a
generic response or I get no response at all.
Jim
Duncan Bath wrote:
Politely point out to them the (international) standard way of writing
these symbols.
Duncan
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From: James R. Frysinger
Sorry, my "omega" weighed too heavily on my mind. Make that metro. -
Jim
"James R. Frysinger" wrote:
No, actually I think it refers to a Greek work metrom, where the "o" is
omega. If I get a chance with a good Greek dictionary I'll look it up.
Jim
Bill Potts wrote:
Han:
I
2000-12-21
Wouldn't the "o" be omicron instead of omega?
John
Keiner ist hoffnungsloser versklavt als derjenige, der irrtümlich glaubt
frei zu sein.
There are none more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe they
are free!
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)
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2000-12-21
I remember when going outside the US that toothpaste was in rational
millilitres, with 100 mL being the most common size. In the US, weight
(FFU)/mass (SI) is used and neither are rational. I wonder if the US volume
size is the same as international, but here mass/weight is used
2000-12-21
No, it is the Greek word metron., with an n, not m. Metron, not metrom.
See my posting from the Webster's dictionary. too bad they didn't give the
Greek spelling, then we would also know if the o is omicron or omega.
John
Keiner ist hoffnungsloser versklavt als derjenige, der
No. I believe the omicron is pronounced like the o in hot. Therefore, it
wouldn't appear at the end of a word.
Any Greek experts here?
Bill Potts, CMS
San Jose, CA
http://metric1.org [SI Navigator]
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The seal on the front cover of the SI brochure carries the Greek phrase
"METPO XPO" where the "O" here stands for omega, the letter we use in
uppercase to symbolize the ohm. The "P", of course, is rho.
Jim
kilopascal wrote:
2000-12-21
Wouldn't the "o" be omicron instead of omega?
John
Title:
2000-12-21From what I can tell from the
alphabet table in the back of a 1964 version of Webster's, the omicron is
pronounced like a "ah" and the omega like an "oh". so, metron would
be:
(mu-epsilon-tau-rho-omicron-nu).JohnKeiner
ist hoffnungsloser versklavt als derjenige, der
2000-12-21
You are correct in the pronunciation of omicron, but the Greek word is
"metron", not metro. See my earlier posting [USMA9937]. Webster's gives
the Greek word as metron. Also see [USMA 9952]
John
Keiner ist hoffnungsloser versklavt als derjenige, der irrtümlich glaubt
frei zu
Title:
2000-12-212000-12-21
(métro chiro)
might not mean the same thing as (métron). It might be a phrase or a
derived expression. Only someone knowing Greek will be able to tell
us. But, from Webster's the root word of metre is the Greek word "metron"
with an "n" in roman type at the
Title:
2000-12-21If you noticed in some of my previous postings, I mentioned
this practice of covering up SI with labels. It seems US companies make SI
only rational products for export. If for some reason they have overstock,
they try to sell it in the US market. Someone sticks a label
Bloomberg News
2000-12-21 13:16
(Bloomberg) -- U.S. corporations ranging from General Motors Corp. to
Whirlpool Corp. announced at least 40,000 job cuts in December, and the
month is on track to rank as the year's busiest for layoffs. It used to be
taboo to fire people between Thanksgiving and
Wasn't he a close friend of the famous French bottle maker, M. Litre?
greg ;)
"kilopascal" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000-12-20 22:48:37
2000-12-20
OK! If you really must know who, it was Joule Pascal de la Métrique, a
French Howard Hughes, who secretly funded the surveying expeditions on the
The pharmaceutical companies in North American are quite poor with their consistency
with proper SI.
A common abbreviation (not symbol) used is "mcg" for "µg" (microgram). Health Canada
used the "industry standard" excuse and wasn't willing to entertain the idea of
revising their policies,
Yes, but they could have used "UG" and been much closer to the actual symbols and
saved one precious character space since I would suppose many were using only 64 kbyte
or 128 kbyte computers.
greg
"James R. Frysinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2000-12-21 09:11:18
That's a good example of the
Might this have something to do with the availability of hard metric sized containers
in the country or region of sale?
I would find it hard to belive that Gillette would product all their products for
world consumption in a single facility and thus would have to use the least expensive
I'm signing off for the week as I will be in Florida for the holidays.
Happy Holidays to all and a very merry metric New Year.
OK. But the first word written in Greek came out here as boldface
quesion marks and the second one as regular face question marks. I
suppose I should have fiddled around with my "View characters" settings
somewhere, but I'm not going to since I know what you mean without the
html. Yes, my
2000-12-21
Has anyone ever heard of this unit (degrees Oechsle) before: Below is a
description:
Each of these quality levels is related to the specific gravity of the grape
juice at the time of harvesting. The sugar content of the grape juice is
measured in degrees Oechsle: The higher the
Bill Potts wrote in USMA 9943:
No, actually I think it refers to a Greek work metrom, where the "o" is
omega. If I get a chance with a good Greek dictionary I'll look it up.
Jim
Bill Potts wrote:
Han:
I think you mean "metro." "Metrum," if it exists, would surely be a Latin
form.
Bill
Kilopascal wrote in USMA 9954
You are correct in the pronunciation of omicron, but the Greek word is
"metron", not metro. See my earlier posting [USMA9937]. Webster's gives
the Greek word as metron. Also see [USMA 9952]
John
Your are arguing about the wrong word. The cover of the BIPM
James Frysinger wrote in USMA:
No, actually I think it refers to a Greek work metrom, where the "o" is
omega. If I get a chance with a good Greek dictionary I'll look it up.
My Greek dictionary gives "mu-epsilon-tau-rho-omega" (metro) as "measure,
count, number, gauge".
To a Russian, however, my transliteration would make more sense.
Russian is closer to Greek than is Welsh Gaelic.
I used to have a history teacher, back in my high school days, who read
the Russian abbreviation for the Soviet Union as "cee cee cee pee".
(It's closer to "ess ess ess ehr".) Now we
To all,
The same little Poche Français-Anglais dictionary from over 40 years ago
shows the word "chope" as meaning "tankard" so I presume that "chopine"
would be a diminutive of that.
Norm
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From: "Bill Potts" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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2000-12-21
Below, we have some sort of conflict. Joe Reid's Greek dictionary has the
word metron as I noted and Webster uses. Jim Frysinger's dictionary has the
word metro with the "n" dropped. Now, I'm sure, we will all agree that if
the word ends in "o", that "o" is the omega. If it ends
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