[USMA:19222] Re: OFF TOPIC: running out of energy

2002-04-04 Thread Barbara and/or Bill Hooper
on 4/2/2002 11:37 PM, kilopascal at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as there is plenty of oil to last my life time that is all that matters. I find that an unacceptable attitude. It suggests that we should feel free to ruin our planet and to hell with our children and grandchildren who will

[USMA:19224] let's go OFF line with the OFF topics messages!

2002-04-04 Thread Hillger, Don
Hey guys, lets get back to metric.

[USMA:19225] Re: running out of energy

2002-04-04 Thread Ma Be
This was a most excellent and well-balanced argumentation by Jim. Well done, my friend. I'd just like to pitch in with a small observation. Since we already seem to have found economically viable alternatives to fossil fuel I keep wondering why not much is being done. True, infrastructure

[USMA:19226] Back to Metric?

2002-04-04 Thread Ezra Steinberg
Sure, Don, getting back to metric would be nice. So, here goes ... Is anybody (including -- and maybe especially -- the USMA leadership) pushing a legislative agenda to promote metric? It seems that the two agenda items currently in the forefront are amending the FPLA and getting the

[USMA:19227] Re: Back to Metric?

2002-04-04 Thread Gene Mechtly
Ezra, Agreed! Why are we not hearing regular reports on the new initiatives to persuade various industries to voluntarily put metric data first on product labels, even before the FPLA is amended to *permit* metric-only labels? Gene. . On Thu, 4 Apr 2002,

[USMA:19228] a step forward

2002-04-04 Thread Fardig, Paul S.
Via the Seattle Times website I just noticed that the Discovery Walk Festival in Vancouver Washington will have walking events from easy 5Ks to a 42K marathon, April 19-21... No mention of a 26 mile... marathon, just a simple, rounded 42K one, and no events of 1500 or 1600 meters or multiples

[USMA:19229] Re: Back to Metric?

2002-04-04 Thread James R. Frysinger
In response to and in amplification of the clear questions asked by Ezra, the answer regarding both issues is a resounding yes! on the USMA's part. The USMA leadership has been in communication with and has worked with people regarding both the FPLA amendment and also bringing all states on board

[USMA:19230] RE: Back to Metric?

2002-04-04 Thread Hillger, Don
Ezra and others: For those of you who don't receive Metric Today, the cover story for the last issue was about labeling. It would be nice if we could do an electronic newsletter and make it available to all, but then who would pay dues? You are missing out if you don't get the newsletter.

[USMA:19231] Re: OFF TOPIC: running out of energy

2002-04-04 Thread kilopascal
2002-04-04 Will you please explain to me exactly how, if it were possible, that using up all of the oil would ruin our planet? You don't make any sense. And both you and Bill Potts missed the point entirely. Our descendants will be clever enough to find their own resources to meet their own

[USMA:19232] Re: let's go OFF line with the OFF topics messages!

2002-04-04 Thread kilopascal
2002-04-04 On a parallel note, I'm sure some of you have heard that the US Mint has announced it has suspended production of the Sacagewea Dollar coin. The news release said it was due to lack of interest by the public. Even though there was more interest in the Sacagewea than in the SBA

[USMA:19233] Re: Back to Metric?

2002-04-04 Thread kilopascal
2002-04-04 If I'm not mistaken, isn't Procter Gamble pro-metric? Don't you think they are a big enough company to have some effect on persuading the government to amend the ruling to allow metric only labels? And yes, Jim many of us have contacted companies and who knows who else, only to be

[USMA:19234] RE: Back to Metric?

2002-04-04 Thread kilopascal
2002-04-04 You can still make it available to those who pay dues. They can download it in doc or pdf format via a password. A password available only to those that are paid members. Or you can set it up to be emailed to dues paying members. This way everybody gets it in a timely manner and

[USMA:19235] RE: Back to Metric?

2002-04-04 Thread James R. Frysinger
As the webmaster for two standards committees, I can vouchsafe that producing electronic versions of paper documents, such as Metric Today, is not a trivial matter. Then there's the maintenance of the electronic membership file, etc. Also, spare copies of Metric Today are often given to industry

[USMA:19236] Re: OFF TOPIC: running out of energy

2002-04-04 Thread CarletonM
In a message dated 2002-04-04 17:59:11 Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Will you please explain to me exactly how, if it were possible, that using up all of the oil would ruin our planet? You don't make any sense. And both you and Bill Potts missed the point entirely. Our

[USMA:19237] Re: Back to Metric

2002-04-04 Thread Barbara and/or Bill Hooper
on 4/4/2002 1:03 PM, Ezra Steinberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we're not hearing from the official leadership (of USMA) regarding updates and discussion of a focused agenda and progress and obstacles on the road to meeting that agenda. (I'd love to get regular updates on this list from

[USMA:19238] about OFF TOPIC messages

2002-04-04 Thread Barbara and/or Bill Hooper
I have chosen to continue my discussion with Jim Elwell off the USMA list. (This is the discussion of whether or not the world is running out of fossile fuels.) If anyone else is interested in following our debate further, I'll be glad to try to send copies of my correspondance on the subject

[USMA:19239] Re: let's go OFF line with the OFF topicsmessages!

2002-04-04 Thread Barbara and/or Bill Hooper
on 4/4/2002 6:12 PM, kilopascal at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We do this by government laws that require only metric measuring devices be made and certified. John makes a good point. As a start, is it possible that we could persuade the powers that be to require that all (that is *ALL*)

[USMA:19240] Re: watt seconds ??

2002-04-04 Thread Barbara and/or Bill Hooper
Some time ago, I wrote: That is done in working with AC (alternating current) electricity. The power(in watts) is the voltage (in volts) multiplied by the current (in amperes)ONLY if the voltage and current are constant. (Let's face it: if they are NOT constant, you would not know what value

[USMA:19241] Re: let's go OFF line with the OFF topicsmessages!

2002-04-04 Thread James R. Frysinger
Barbara and/or Bill Hooper wrote: on 4/4/2002 6:12 PM, kilopascal at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We do this by government laws that require only metric measuring devices be made and certified. John makes a good point. As a start, is it possible that we could persuade the powers that

[USMA:19242] Opponents of metrication

2002-04-04 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear All, A little while ago Don Hillger, the USMA webmaster, kindly shared with me the PowerPoint notes that he used for his presentation to the Colorado Association of Family and Consumer Sciences Annual Conference. During Don's presentation he reflected on some of the reasons why the USA is