Re: Linux: The Desktop OS

2002-07-23 Thread jon d
I like everything on the page; excellent job, beautiful screenshots. But you might want to reword Linux is now at the point where it is a viable alternative operating system for the desktop... to something less verbose and more user-friendly, IMHO, Jon D. --- Jacob Albretsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mutt keybindings

2002-07-23 Thread Ben Crowder
Is there any way to tell Mutt that I want 'G' (shift-G) to move to the end of the message list when in index mode? 'G' does indeed move to the end of the current message when in pager mode, but in index mode it's mapped to a POP retrieval function, which I don't really care about since I use

chown

2002-07-23 Thread =?x-unknown?q?|b|c|r|=A3|?=
how do i make a directory so that only two people can modify it. specifically, there's this other grad student with an account on the same box as me. we are in the same group, but so are 400 other students. i want to set her public_html so that she can still modify it, but so that I can also

Re: Linux: The Desktop OS

2002-07-23 Thread Michael Halcrow
On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 23:34, Jacob Albretsen wrote: I like the idea. I think one other thing to stress at some point is you don't have to use for example evolution, you can us Kmail, or Mozilla mail, or whatever. Linux = many choices! Thanks for the feedback. While making the page, I

Re: Linux: The Desktop OS

2002-07-23 Thread Ben Crowder
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 11:34:42PM -0600, Jacob Albretsen wrote: On Monday 22 July 2002 11:03 pm, Michael Halcrow wrote: I've just thrown together a preliminary web page advocating Linux and Open Source software. The goal of the page is to introduce the common computer user to what it is

Re: Linux: The Desktop OS

2002-07-23 Thread Ben Crowder
On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 07:21:31AM -0600, Michael Halcrow wrote: On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 23:34, Jacob Albretsen wrote: I like the idea. I think one other thing to stress at some point is you don't have to use for example evolution, you can us Kmail, or Mozilla mail, or whatever. Linux =

Re: Linux: The Desktop OS

2002-07-23 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 23:03, Michael Halcrow wrote: I've just thrown together a preliminary web page advocating Linux and Open Source software. The goal of the page is to introduce the common computer user to what it is all about, and what is available for them.

Re: Software for Starving Students

2002-07-23 Thread Dave Smith
The meeting is scheduled 30 minutes before the regular meeting in the same room. I just added the event, so you can see it on the web site. Perhaps, we can also start our The UUG has saved BYU students a total of $$$ dollars. I'd love to add a table to our database whose only purpose is to

Re: chown

2002-07-23 Thread =?x-unknown?q?|b|c|r|=A3|?=
sadly, i do not have access to cron, wont be able to set up a CVS, and do not have much control over this box. not only that, mr sysadmin hates me (dont they always) and there's no way he's gonna make me my own special little group. maybe i'll ask him anyway. I was thinking something with

Re: chown

2002-07-23 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 09:52, |b|c|r|£| wrote: sadly, i do not have access to cron, wont be able to set up a CVS, and do not have much control over this box. not only that, mr sysadmin hates me (dont they always) and there's no way he's gonna make me my own special little group. maybe i'll

Re: Linux: The Desktop OS

2002-07-23 Thread Phillip Warner
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:26:51 -0600 Ben Crowder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, perhaps it would be good to create two pages then -- one like the current page, with just the most familiar apps, and another listing some of the more popular choices (the UUG's recommendations, for example, perhaps

Re: chown

2002-07-23 Thread Corey Edwards
--- Stuart Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is nothing that would stop you from setting up a cvs repository, all you need is a directory. Setting up a pserver may be harder (it is, however, possible) but I don't recommend it as rsh over ssh is a much cleaner solution. This is one of the

Re: Software for Starving Students

2002-07-23 Thread art moore
Boy you get to work late one morning and you get over 70 messages in your box. Iguess that's the result of being on so many lists ... One thing I think that we need to discuss. We are now at the preparation for the Software for Starving Students campaign. (by the way, I love how this has caught

Re: SSH closing connection on connect

2002-07-23 Thread Nathan Hokanson
I didn't see if this was resolved at all in any post, so I thought that I would share some thoughts too. The other day after I had inserted a new nic into one of the workstations on my network I could no longer ssh into my main server from another workstation. I was getting similar messages. I

Re: SSH closing connection on connect

2002-07-23 Thread Dave Smith
To close this thread, yes, I did find the problem. My file system had been mounted read-only due to some corruption. I resintalled (with Debian, this time), and things are running smoothly. So, it looks like SSH could stand to be a little more verbose in its error reporting. --Dave Nathan

Re: chown

2002-07-23 Thread Hans Fugal
can one user belong to more that one group at a time? yes. To unsubscribe from the BYU UUG discussion mailing list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with UNSUBSCRIBE as the message body Visit the BYU UUG website at:

Mozilla vi-style keybindings

2002-07-23 Thread Ben Crowder
After getting used to using vi keys in Galeon, I decided to add keybindings to Mozilla to get the same effect. The userHTMLBindings.xml file is attached -- copy this to res/builtin in your Mozilla directory (or symlink it there). The page from which I got the info on customizing the keybindings

Re: Software for Starving Students

2002-07-23 Thread Jacob Albretsen
Did we get the times set up dispite the fact that I was not good enough to reserve them last week? I agree, the *real* campaign should start this fall, however it is good we are getting the both and install fest now. I take it this should be our trial run to get all the bugs out (no pun

SSS and Linux: The Desktop OS

2002-07-23 Thread Michael Halcrow
I have been seeking feedback on the page from a few friends. At the suggestion of one, I have added a side-box elaborating on the freedom aspect of Linux and Open Source software. It's labeled, 'Free' as in 'Freedom'. While the quality and price of Open Source software is something to brag about,

Re: Software for Starving Students

2002-07-23 Thread Luke Hutchison
I'm not sure whether I will be able to make it or not this Thursday, but I have some ideas and would like to contribute... Is anyone going to be taking minutes and posting them to the mailing list? Thanks, Luke. Also Thursday we will be discussing ideas, and proofreading some of the flyers

Re: Software for Starving Students

2002-07-23 Thread Dan Reese
I'd like to know. I was always under the impression that it was a discount of the real version, not some different version. --Dan R. Jacob Albretsen wrote: Did we get the times set up dispite the fact that I was not good enough to reserve them last week? I agree, the *real* campaign

Re: Software for Starving Students

2002-07-23 Thread Luke Hutchison
Great idea... And can we ask students who have saved money to write testimonials on the website too? Luke. On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 09:04, Dave Smith wrote: The meeting is scheduled 30 minutes before the regular meeting in the same room. I just added the event, so you can see it on the web

Re: Software for Starving Students

2002-07-23 Thread Dave Smith
A note for those who can't make it to the meeting: We will be doing a live audio feed and have a chat room for our out-of-state or stay-at-home members. --Dave Luke Hutchison wrote: I'm not sure whether I will be able to make it or not this Thursday, but I have some ideas and would like to

Re: Mozilla vi-style keybindings

2002-07-23 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 11:09, Ben Crowder wrote: After getting used to using vi keys in Galeon, I decided to add keybindings to Mozilla to get the same effect. The userHTMLBindings.xml file is attached -- copy this to res/builtin in your Mozilla directory (or symlink it there). This really

Re: Mozilla vi-style keybindings (updated)

2002-07-23 Thread Ben Crowder
Turns out you can't copy the file into {mozilla}/res/builtin after all -- you have to symlink it there. I've attached the new userHTMLBindings.xml file. This should be the last update (I hope :)). Ben -- Ben Crowder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 102119214 AIM: bencrowder99 MSN: crowderben Yahoo:

Re: Mozilla vi-style keybindings

2002-07-23 Thread Dave Smith
He already posted it: http://uug.clubs.byu.edu/articles.php?show_article=31 --Dave Stuart Jansen wrote: On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 11:09, Ben Crowder wrote: After getting used to using vi keys in Galeon, I decided to add keybindings to Mozilla to get the same effect. The userHTMLBindings.xml

Re: Software for Starving Students

2002-07-23 Thread Jacob Albretsen
It is the *real* version sort of. However in 2005 when Office 2005 comes and you are now out of school, you can't buy the upgraded version. The upgrade will not work. So it's just and order thing. Buy the full, upgradeable version at full price then buy the upgrade later, or buy the

Re: Software for Starving Students

2002-07-23 Thread art moore
please email me any suggestions so we can bring them up at the group meeting. Art --- Luke Hutchison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure whether I will be able to make it or not this Thursday, but I have some ideas and would like to contribute... Is anyone going to be taking minutes and

Re: Software for Starving Students

2002-07-23 Thread Luke Hutchison
Not to mention the fact that, if M$ gets their way, all users will soon be paying to rent their software from M$. So Office 2005 will stop working in 2007 if you don't renew your subscription. Or did they eventually bow to pressure from the public to change this proposed licensing scheme? On

Re: Software for Starving Students

2002-07-23 Thread Jacob Albretsen
I heard about this, and I heard that this was supposed to be XP. So I guess they backed down. H, with this conversation, it makes me start thinking again about making sam.clubs.byu.edu (BYU Students Against... ) On Tuesday 23 July 2002 12:23 pm, Luke Hutchison wrote: Not to mention the

Suggestions

2002-07-23 Thread Luke Hutchison
Thanks for offering to take my suggestions to the group meeting, Art. Here are a few of them: - The booth will need lots of pretty screenshots posted over it at full size to catch people's attention, much the same as the website created by Mike. Are there any graphic artists among us who

apache setup stuff

2002-07-23 Thread bryand
I'm setting up a little server (redhat) for some folks at work (they must be desperate) and they want apache 2.0.39. I couldn't find a redhat rpm for that so I got the source from the apache website and compiled it. How do I add it to the list of services so I can have it start at boot-up. I

Re: apache setup stuff

2002-07-23 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 13:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm setting up a little server (redhat) for some folks at work (they must be desperate) and they want apache 2.0.39. I couldn't find a redhat rpm for that so I got the source from the apache website and compiled it. How do I add it to

Re: Suggestions

2002-07-23 Thread Jacob Albretsen
On Tuesday 23 July 2002 12:57 pm, Luke Hutchison wrote: Thanks for offering to take my suggestions to the group meeting, Art. Here are a few of them: - The booth will need lots of pretty screenshots posted over it at full size to catch people's attention, much the same as the website

Re: Suggestions

2002-07-23 Thread Luke Hutchison
Again, we also need to stress that this is legally free software. We need to have something there to back that up. I can just see some student going nuts and running up to the Honor Code Office to report us giving away software. Right. Perhaps a succinct way of phrasing this is that we

Re: Mozilla vi-style keybindings

2002-07-23 Thread Ben Crowder
This has been updated, so it's now at: http://uug.clubs.byu.edu/articles.php?show_article=32 Ben On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 11:51:05AM -0600, Dave Smith wrote: He already posted it: http://uug.clubs.byu.edu/articles.php?show_article=31 --Dave Stuart Jansen wrote: On Tue, 2002-07-23

Re: Suggestions

2002-07-23 Thread Jacob Albretsen
On Tuesday 23 July 2002 02:27 pm, Luke Hutchison wrote: It would be good to be wearing T-shirts at the booth (and going to ThinkGeek would obviously be simpler), but we could also have T-shirts for sale for cost-price (a few dollars?) and try to sell them to those who get software installed

Re: apache setup stuff

2002-07-23 Thread jon d
vim all the way. Anything else is too much of a pain. It takes a couple of minutes of learn but the http.conf syntax is very sane. Editing the file is simple but you can accomplish powerful things quickly. And one less security issue to worry about with apache. Jon D.

Re: apache setup stuff

2002-07-23 Thread art moore
If you are going to use WebMin (and I'll admit, I do) Please, please, please install the security software, the SSL module. There are instructions on the website on doing so. Don't make that mistake! Art --- jon d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vim all the way. Anything else is too much of a

Re: apache setup stuff

2002-07-23 Thread bryand
I appreciate all the concern for security, but the customer is demanding speed over security and quality (hence the intern who already has other projects was given the job to set up the server in his spare time :). This server is going to be running on a closed network on a cruise ship (long

Re: Suggestions

2002-07-23 Thread Ben Crowder
On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 12:57:43PM -0600, Luke Hutchison wrote: Thanks for offering to take my suggestions to the group meeting, Art. Here are a few of them: - The booth will need lots of pretty screenshots posted over it at full size to catch people's attention, much the same as the

remote server monitor

2002-07-23 Thread Michael Ryan Byrd
So lets say I have a couple of old computers with serving out webpages. It would be cool to be able to visit one webpage and see a listing of the hosted domains and check marks by each domain showing that they are up (i.e responsive to pings or something.) Maybe even cooler would be to click on

Re: remote server monitor

2002-07-23 Thread Dave Smith
Yes. You need netsaint. We use it in the CS department, and it is cool. It provides a great system health monitoring tool, and it will even map out how all the various servers are connected physically. We love netsaint. --Dave Michael Ryan Byrd wrote: So lets say I have a couple of old

Starting a club at BYU

2002-07-23 Thread Steve Meyers
Go to this URL and check out all of the Microsoft Word documents that are required to start a club: http://byusa.byu.edu/clubs/start_club.htm You'll notice that they are in a nonpdfforms directory. They also have a pdfforms directory, so they must have a way to convert Word documents to PDF.

File Edit

2002-07-23 Thread brad . mugleston
I am looking for a way to fix a mistake. I generated some files (about 1300) with the .mp3 extension and they needed to be with the .ogg extension. I was given a way to fix that. But now I have a bunch of .m3u files that have in them all the file names with the .mp3 extension. I am looking

Re: File Edit

2002-07-23 Thread Dave Smith
You said you want to use vi, so I may be considered a troll for this, but I had a similar problem wherein I wanted to change one piece of text in many files to another piece of text. I was given an excellent solution in Perl. It's cool. Here's the post:

Re: Starting a club at BYU

2002-07-23 Thread Jacob Albretsen
On Tuesday 23 July 2002 10:31 pm, Steve Meyers wrote: Go to this URL and check out all of the Microsoft Word documents that are required to start a club: http://byusa.byu.edu/clubs/start_club.htm You'll notice that they are in a nonpdfforms directory. They also have a pdfforms directory,