There are no illustrations of the guitarre theorbee. All that we know
about it is that there are twelve short pieces in the Gallot ms. (GB:Ob
Ms.Mus.Sch.C94) in French tablature. There are no instructions as to
how the instrument was tuned or strung. You have to try and work this
Unfortunately the source - the Gallot ms. - gives no information about the
stringing or tuning or for that matter the pitch. Therein lies the problem. The
method of stringing suggested in the article eliminates all the quirks in the
music, in particular the skip of a 7th in the bass line which
Why are the first five open (unstopped) basses thought to be at the
lower octave? - is the source absolutely clear and wholly unambiguous
about this (I've not yet seen the EM article myself)?
Leaving aside the length of the long basses required to extend the
range down to contrabass
Well - the pieces in the Gallot Ms. - the only known source of music for the
instrument - are all solo pieces and are in C major or C minor. Some are found
in other arrangements in other sources - one of them is in Scottish Lute Ms.
“Pamure 5” and is on your CD.
The two lowest course seem to
Sorry if it is not clear. It is a twelve course instrument. There are five
courses on the fingerboard and seven unstopped basses.
>From 1st course down the tuning is
e' c' g c B (1-5 on the fingerboard); unstopped courses are F E D C B,(B below
the bass stave) a g; 6-12 unstopped.
There is a
To clarify - the fifth unstopped course is an octave lower than the fifth
course on the fingerboard. In Helmholtz notation the low b is shown as B, =
i.e. upper case B with a comma after it - this isn't very clear in my message.
It is not entirely unusual to have the two lowest courses a tone
Monica, this tuning seems very odd? Fifth course a semitone lower than fourth
course? Same note B on two courses (fifth course on fingerboard and fifth
unstopped course)?
On 12 June 2019, at 12:08, Monica Hall wrote:
The latest issue of Early Music has a short article on the guitarre
...@ntlworld.com wrote:
From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra
atiorbata
To: Roman Turovsky lu...@polyhymnion.org
Cc: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk, Vihuelalist
vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Sunday, 30 August
]Martyn Hodgson
To: [2]Stuart Walsh
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra
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Stuart,
Regarding wether the CA basses were doubled at the octave, the 1651
illustration
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atiorbata
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Cc: Vihuelalist [7]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Monday, 31 August, 2009, 4:24 PM
It is not the open basses which are doubled. But obviously
Monica Hall wrote:
Granata has not clearly indicated in any of his books that he favoured
one
method of stringing the 5-course guitar over another. It is
therefore an
open question.
I see - I understand what you are saying.
There is just one further aspect which I haven't explored.
There is just one further aspect which I haven't explored. Two
books, one by Abatessa and one by Michaeli include instructions for
tuning the 5-course guitar to the arpetta. It is not clear what
this is except that it apparently has 8 strings. Abatessa seems to
imply that it is another
Presumably even if one string of the 5th course was at the lower octave
(and I don't think we know that - do we?) the other (and that struck
first by the thumb - as the lower basses) would be at the upper so that
with basses at the upper octave the opening of the Preludio would make
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To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:42 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra atiorbata
Presumably even if one
--- On Sat, 29/8/09, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
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Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra
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To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date
Martyn
--- On Sat, 29/8/09, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
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atiorbata
To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
for Russian guitars with
extra basses.
Stuart
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Behalf Of Stuart Walsh
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:02 PM
To: Monica Hall
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee
Monica Hall wrote
It has three open basses which are not covered by the courses on the
fingerboard B A G.
However the fifth course on the fingerboard is used only as an open course
and the fourth course is stopped in only one place.
The instrument seems to be designed to have almost entirely unstopped
guitarre theorbee.
MH
--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld..com wrote:
From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee
To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Thursday, 27 August
Thank you Monica.
As you'll know from our earlier exchanges, I agree with the conclusions
about the guitarre theorbee. However there are a couple of significant
points about the chitarra atiorbata which you seem to have overlooked
or ignored and which point to a rather different
Well - I feel I am between the devil and the deep blue sea here.
Gary Boye has transcribed all the music into staff notation and I
looked through this. I also discussed it with him and he was
surprised at the idea that the basses might be high.
I didn't want to commit myself
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Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:20 AM
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Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
Oleg is a great scholar and fine player now based in Iowa
, August 28, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee cyrillienne
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Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee
Eugene C. Braig IV
Did Gary Boye explain why he had thought the basses were low? Or was it
just on the basis of Pinnell's old Early Music article which had also
assumed this with no explanation (as discussed in our previous
communications) thus perpetuating a the myth.
Regarding the
Well I must apologise first for a very silly mistake that I have
made. In Granata's Tuning B I have not included the low octave
strings on the 4th and 5th courses. These gives a clearer and rather
dramatic picture of the way the courses overlap.
I have temporarily put the
I haven't seen the book but it's very likely to be this one:
http://tinyurl.com/mu2pcu
If the link won't work, search http://tinyurl.com/fnorz (first by
clicking on Instruments et oevres d'art) for E.980.2.296
Anyway, there is little hope for the book as old as that to bring any
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